Democratic Forest Trusts (PDF)in Watson, Alan; Dean, Liese; Sproull, Janet, comps. 2006. Science and stewardship to protect and sustain wilderness values: Eighth World Wilderness Congress Symposium; 2005 September 30-October 6; Anchorage, AK.Democratic trusts with leadership elected by citizen-members promise to solve many of the problems afflicting both traditional government and corporate ownership of forestlands. This article explores these issues in some depth.Complexity and the Dream of Human Control of Eco-Systems (PDF)in Watson, Alan; Dean, Liese; Sproull, Janet, comps. 2006. Science and stewardship to protect and sustain wilderness values: Eighth World Wilderness Congress Symposium; 2005 September 30-October 6; Anchorage, AK.The title captures it. I then explore the kinds of institutions compatible with both nature and the modern world that are implied from this analysis.Rethinking the Obvious: Modernity and Living Respectfully With Nature (PDF)The Trumpeter: Journal of Ecosophy, Winter, 1997.Modernity is usually considered a wrong turn in terms of respect for and sustaining the environment. I argue the reality is more complex, for modernity has freed us from personal dependence on agriculture, ended the economic value of children, radically reduced the likelihood of large scale wat, and shifted much production to intellectual rather than material capital. This partially decouples society from nature, which gives us important opportunities as well as problems.Towards an Ecocentric Political Economy (PDF)The Trumpeter, Fall, 1996.This paper begins my effort at showing how liberal modernity can be harmonized with an ecocentric perspective on our relationship with the natural world. It is a corrective to much “free market environmental” literature that sacrifices Nature to money as well as to anti-liberal attacks by well-meaning but economically naïve environmentalists.Unexpected Harmonies: Self-Organization in Liberal Modernity and Ecology (PDF)The Trumpeter, Journal of Ecosophy, 10:1, Winter 1993This is my initial paper exploring how what I term ‘evolutionary liberal’ thought can be an important means by which society and nature can be brought into greater harmony. The other Trumpeter papers build on it.Deep Ecology and Liberalism: The Greener Implications of Evolutionary Liberalism (PDF)Review of Politics, Fall, 1996.Liberal thought and deep ecology are usually regarded as mutually exclusive. But the “evolutionary” tradition offers a way to integrate the two through commonalties in the work of David Hume, Michael Polanyi, Arne Naess, and Aldo Leopold, providing a stronger foundation for liberalism while strengthening the case for an ecocentric ethic.(Related subjects: Ecology)Saving Western Towns: A Jeffersonian Green Proposal (PDF)in Writers on the Range, Karl Hess and John Baden, eds., University Press of Colorado, 1998.Developmental pressures in the rural and small town West involve three groups: long term residents, new arrivals, and environmentalists. Today their interests often conflict. This conflict is in part the outcome of institutions which prevent harmonizing competing interests. The concept of developmental trusts, both for rural regions and for small communities offers a means whereby these interests can be harmonized for the benefit of all concerned.(Related subjects: Politics)Social Ecology, Deep Ecology, and Liberalism (PDF)Critical Review, 6: 2-3, 1992.Murray Bookchin is considered a leading radical environmental theorist. However, his analysis is incapable of leading humankind towards a more respectful and sustainable relationship with the natural world. Criticisms of Bookchin from both the deep ecology and evolutionary liberal perspective complement one another, pointing the way towards a better understanding of how modernity relates to the environment.The paper as a whole offers an early discussion of issues that are more clearly addressed in later papers, particularly Deep Ecology and Liberalism (1996) and the three Trumpeter articles in 1997, 1996, and 1993. However, there are other ideas in the article which have not been developed more thoroughly elsewhere.
President Obama’s endorsement of George Bush’s contempt for the rule of law, his Nixonian claims for executive authority on civil liberties and Presidential power, and violation of campaign promises, gives us a wonderful test of a claim I recently made that Republican Right Wingers had abandoned citizenship for tribalism, and had ceased being decent citizens in the process.
Keith Olbermann, Glenn Greenwald, Russ Feingold, Nancy Pelosi, among others, have strongly criticized, and even condemned the Obama administrations sorry record on civil liberties and the rule of law, just as they had done with George Bush.
President Obama’s Justice Department now is not just
defending Bush officials from lawsuits surrounding National Security
Agency domestic spying, but seeking to expand the government’s
authority by making it immune from any legal challenge regarding
wiretapping–ever. Welcome to change you cannot believe in or sue
over.nnThis is how citizens act. They uphold the principles their
country is founded on above even the political convenience of their own
side.
we can never have a repetition of what was done under the Bush administration or a continuation of that.
Senator Russ Feingold has said
I am troubled that once again the Obama administration has
decided to invoke the state secrets privilege in a case challenging the
previous administration’s alleged misconduct. The Obama
administration’s action, on top of Congress’s mistaken decision last
year to give immunity to the telecommunications companies that
allegedly participated in the warrantless wiretapping program, will
make it even harder for courts to rule on the legality of that program.
And there are a great many more examples.
Anyone with a memory will recognize there was virtually no equivalent
concern by any elected Republicans and their many media hacks when Bush
was acting like a little caesar. They were too busy wrapping
themselves in a flag they did not respect and attacking any loyal
citizens who took the constitution seriously.
This is what separates a great many liberals and Democrats from almost
all Republicans and conservatives. They actually put the interests of
their country ahead of holding power when the issues are significant.
They aren’t saints of course, none of us are, but they can distinguish
between the little games politicians always play to hold power, like
gerrymandering, and wholesale attacks on the basic underpinnings of a
free society and the constitution that supports it.
When I blogged on right-wing and Republican tribalism, I hit a nerve
among some of my conservative readers. They tried to disparage my
comments by arguing one sided adoration of the Dear Leader
was not really tribalism, or that Democrats do it as well. Now we see
that they are wrong, yet again. There is a deep difference in the
center of gravity between those today called liberals and those called
conservatives. The former are much more likely to know how to act as a
good citizen.
If the conservatives and Republicans want to give up citizenship for
tribalism, fine. We can’t stop them. But they should have the
integrity to admit that is what they are doing.



posted April 13, 2009 at 4:50 pm
To disprove your claim that conservatives never attacked Bush, here are some thing said about Bush after the AIG bailout:
Newt Gingrich: “You can’t be for capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down.”
Rep. Mike Pence: “If government now becomes the safety net for every private enterprise too big to fail, we are going to end up with an economy that looks a lot more like France than like the United States.”
Rush Limbaugh also attacked Bush on immigration and on many of his spending programs.
And today I heard Rush Limbaugh defend Obama’s decision regarding the pirates, even arguing the military was wrong to delay action after Obama told them to act on the matter.
As for myself, I do argue that what the conservative are doing is wrong in these regards — but I also argue that so do the Democrats/liberals. Your arguments tend to boil down to a defense of your tribe over the other tribe. I think much of what the Democrats are now doing undermine the Constitution. How is that good citizenship?
posted April 13, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Wow! At the end of his term, with his popularity plummeting, some conservatives had the cojones to criticize their Dear Leader.
Troy, that you had to go that late in his term and find those examples mostly supports my point.
posted April 13, 2009 at 6:56 pm
What has dismayed me, as a Sixties marching/protesting liberal in Sixties and Seventies San Francisco, is the supine silence of our citizens that met our Dear Leader, as the Unitary Executive powers and signing statements became more and more evidence of a neo-dictatorship. Karl Rove and Rummy and Condi and Feith and Wolfowitz should’ve sent us into the streets in protest, but only a whimper came out of the body politic. We heard more protest from foreign leaders and governments. Then we voted the Democrats into place and saw Pelosi rise to most powerful woman. Cheney had his wings clipped. The Dear Leader became more and more inarticulate, sullen, and incompetent. We nearly went to war on Iran, but stopped short.
Maybe it was something in the water? Maybe we had national PTSD?
Why were we so accepting of the invasions of privacy, polity, and prosperity?
posted April 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm
That’s what I found immediately. Now you’re just making me look up things I remembered over the past 8 years. Here’s an article from 2006 listing Republicans who criticized the Bush administration’s warrantless domestic spying program:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601040002
Calling that action an “impeachable offense” is a pretty harsh criticism, don’t you think?
Here’s an article from 2005 on conservative criticism of Bush over spending:
http://www.larryhaasonline.com/opedpages/Washington-Examiner.10-31-05.PDF
The article is a criticism of how they are criticizing Bush.
Here is a more recent piece by someone recently addressing exactly this claim:
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/conservatives-criticized-bush/
Come on, Gus. You act like it was a huge Bush love-fest for the past 8 years among conservatives. My experience was that they could only just barely stand him, except on taxes, the military and a handful of social issues. Most of the time they were disappointed with him on social issues, and they mostly couldn’t stand his domestic spending. Other than the one big tax cut, he didn’t even seem to have an economy policy other than to let Greenspan send false signals to the housing sector that lots of risk was okay. Take away Iraq and the tax cut, and most conservatives would have abandoned Bush long ago far more than they did. The only ones who really stuck with him were the neocons who think democracy can be imposed by sword (those of us who know our Gravesean psycho-sociology know better).
posted April 13, 2009 at 11:52 pm
I am glad to be in (cyber) company with people who think it’s important to look at the truth of what is unfolding in our nation, no matter who is responsible. I am aware of many who worked for Obama’s campaign and voted for him who are reluctant to look at the truth of what is happening, so your posts on this matter are especially gratifying, Gus.
A recent article in Mother Jones describes yet another attempt to give the office of the president more powers to spy on Americans: “Should Obama Control the Internet?” A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data. —By Steve Aquino http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-internet
I am puzzled, however, at your citing Nancy Pelosi as someone legitimately criticizing the Obama administration regarding similarities with things done under Bush II. If any one person can be said to have condoned what was done under Bush II, it is Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House and invested with the power to initiate impeachment proceedings. She was the one who most actively colluded with the wrongdoing committed by Cheney et al. Even before her term had really begun Pelosi said that impeachment was “off the table.” That is like saying the First amendment is off the table. It is like saying that because someone holds a certain office we are going to let him get away with murder — in this case literally (e.g. Iraq). This collusion was in the face of ample evidence that crimes had been committed, including when Bush announced on TV that he had been intentionally breaking the FISA law.
Under the rule of law wrongdoing is wrongdoing no matter who does it. This country is meant to be a place where the rule of law prevails. And the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Looking at the morals associated with political actions, and the effects that these have on the people of our nation and our planet, ties back to the spiritual theme of this web site.
posted April 14, 2009 at 12:24 am
Troy-
Of course I said “most” and equivalent terms in my post. There are liberals as tribalistic as most conservatives, and conservatives, well, classical liberals anyway, who are not tribalistic at all. Take a look at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6533 to see a genuine classical liberal who was critical of Dear Leader back when most ‘conservatives’ were throwing every principle they said they had overboard.
Only one of your examples strikes anywhere near a rebuttal of my point. (To mention Ann Coulter, who has fantasized in print and word about killing liberals, as a rebuttal of my basic point about ‘conservative’ tribalism because she is critical of Bush’s more humane acts is surreal.)
However, your reference to conservative politicians is a good counter example, and merits a careful examination. First, words are cheap. Nothing these political worthies did led to any real investigation of Bush’s actions. Nothing at all. The oversight fiunction of government broke down under Republican rule.
You can find an Arlen Spector quote on every side of every issue, but when the chips were down he was a Bushie to the core. Susan Collins was little different. Given many opportunities to actually investigate misbehavior by Bush and his allies, she never did. When push came to shove, almost all backed down until the waning days of his rule.
Hagel didn’t, and he retired the last election, I suspect in disgust. Lugar loves his country enough eventually to have seen incompetence in foreign policy. But no leading Republican was in that list you provided, no equivalent of Pelosi in government or Olbermann in the media. Nor will you find them. Most of your examples other than a few politicians making valid points they did not follow up on criticized Bush because he was not quite as demented as they were.
Now maybe Pelosi is just words as well. Time will tell. If so, she will be no different from the Republicans you cited and she will be as big a zero in my eyes as her current Senate equivalent, whose defeat in the next election I deeply hope for.
Many conservatives who criticized Bush for legitimate reasons were essentially drummed out of their “movement.” And simple citizens were savaged unmercifully for failing to know their place. Do you remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks, who dared to be critical of the moron from Texas? They were no longer played on most Clear Channel owned radio stations and their recordings were burned.
Now that Bush is seen as the disaster he was, people are trying very hard to find times when they were critical. They were few and far between.
By contrast Obama is coming under strong criticism on basic constitutional issues where he shares Bush’s position. It is happening early in his administration and when his popularity is high. Republicans were silent on these issues until late in his administration with his approval in the dumps, and even then did nothing about them but offer a few cheap words.
Your memory of those times is very very selective.
posted April 14, 2009 at 9:02 am
There are indeed days when I find myself feeling very strongly that for every year a politician spends in elected office, they need to spend two more years in prison before they can run for another term.
And that’s being very generous towards the power-grubbing money-hungry deceivers of the public trust. Remember, to be a successful politician, one must become a proficient profesional liar, in addition to one’s committee work.
I’m pretty sure that if we shipped the members of Congress to GTMO and locked them up there, and then shipped the political prisoners Bush has been holding down there to DC and installed them into the halls of Congress, that they would be hard pressed to do our country more harm than our elected “representatives” have done over the past 12 years.
posted April 14, 2009 at 9:39 am
And I think you too have very selective memory of the time. Or maybe we were both listening to completely different people and their completely different interpretations over the last 8 years. I suspect it is in fact the latter. Now, I didn’t say I agreed with the things Bush was criticized about by people like Coulter and Limbaugh (with the exception of some economic issues and spending) — but they did in fact criticize Bush. A lot. Most of the Republicans worth anything were drummed out well before Bush took office — the people Gingrich helped elect were all run off by people like Hastert, leaving nothing but the Nixonian Republicans in charge. Bush was just like them.
But I argue these points not because I liked Bush or supported the Hastert GOP (I certainly didn’t — Hastert I found particularly odious). I argue them because you make it sound like it was a giant Bush love-fest, and I certainly do not remember it that way.
Now, this is what I think actually happened:
When Clinton was elected, the conservatives overreacted and tried to vilify him. When Bush was elected, the left decided to give the conservatives a taste of their own medicine, and began attacking Bush and vilifying him (this isn’t to admit that Bush didn’t later gave them plenty of reason to). Basic tribal rules apply: you attack a member of my tribe, no matter what I think of him, and I will defend him. He may be an asshole, but he’s our asshole. Under such circumstances, the defenses get pretty ridiculous at times. The conservatives, forgetting that the reason Bush was so strongly attacked was because the conservatives had so strongly attacked Clinton, are now attacking Obama in revenge (again, not that he doesn’t deserve considerable amounts of criticism). The problem is that neither side can seem to see that this is what is going on. Both sides romanticize their own group and villianize the other, each not seeing the plank in their own eyes as they focus on the mote in the others’ eyes (though both sides look like they have not just planks, but entire trees in their eyes).
In the end, I see no difference between the GOP and the DNC. Both sides are a bunch of corrupt crooks who steal elections from each other by gerrymandering, bribery, and court decisions from friendly courts. Both want larger, more intrusive government. Both only want democratic elections and court decisions that are convenient to them, otherwise they protest the vote or the decision (one man’s activist judge is another’s defender of the Constitution). Romanticizing either side, positively or negatively, isn’t going to help anybody.
posted April 14, 2009 at 11:58 am
Troy-
I agree we read different sources, but let me be blunt, mine were more honest. Evidence?
Look at the basic opinion data for the early years of the Bush and Obama Presidencies. Go ahead, look. You will find that liberals and Democrats were much more willing to give Bush a chance to prove himself. It was true for me and it’s present in the data. Clinton got no such treatment and Obama has not either. And now right wing liars are saying Obama’s lower rating among Republicans than Bush’ among Democrats at the same time is evidence he is ‘polarizing’ and too ‘partisan.’
No, it is a sign of the collapse of Republican’s capacity to be citizens of a democracy rather than a theocracy. Am I too harsh? In 2006 a Pew poll reported that 60% of white evangelicals said the Bible – their Bible – should over rule popular self-governance when the two conflict. And they are the Republican base. They control who wins the primaries.
There are no Democratic equivalents.
We all favor our side over the other, and all to some degree treat our guys a bit more leniently than the other side. But there is such a thing as keeping a sense of proportion.
In addition, Conservative popular and even relatively intellectual media focuses not so much on their opponents’ arguments as on their opponents’ supposed moral depravity, lack of character, and perverse personal motives. I read repetedly that Obama is a Muslim, a socialist, a communist, a fascist, hates America, etc. They are like monkeys throwing feces.
This is standard operating procedure for prominent personalities in the right wing. You have to go to marginal jerks unknown to most liberals and people on the left to find the equivalent – like the jerk Ward Churchill from the University of Colorado. The right trumpeted his name everywhere. Few of us had ever heard of him before then.
Liberal blogs ad media did not do this to anything like the same degree. And for a long time I read both. Not so much anymore.
I am if anything overly focused on giving reasons for my views and evaluating the reasons others give. Not as much fun as writing zingers, but I hope over the long run it’s more productive. I try to save my zingers until after I’ve given my reasons.
The right wing for the most part does not give reasons, and lies repeatedly. To pick a nonpolitical example, the distortions of science given by the intelligent design crowd, and attacks on scientists’ character by MOST global warming deniers. then of course there are attacks on the patriotism of anyone who disagrees, and so on. It’s a pattern. There are exceptions, but they are few.
There is NO left-wing equivalent of Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Don Beck. None. Michael Moore? Tell me when he fantasized about killing his enemies, as Coulter has repeatedly. Or given a voice to those advocating violence, as Beck repeatedly does. Or advocated concentration camps for ethnic and religious groups, a la Malkin.
You are comparing two different styles of relating to others – one that at least tries to give reasons and generally holds its side to the same standards on the abuse of power as it does the other, and one that does not even try.
posted April 14, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Are you talking about the same people who invented political correctness and tend to call those who disagree with them fascists and Nazis? The same people who profess to believe in evolution, but then turn around and attack E. O. Wilson as a right-wing Nazi because of sociobiology and who further reject evolutionary psychology because its discoveries disprove the blank slate theory on which most of the Left’s theories are founded? Evolution is fine for the Left until it has something to say about human beings. Then it’s all right-wing nonsense.(Don’t get me started with the creationist and intelligent design nonsense — I have fought long and hard against it for many years now.) Elevated rhetoric (and obvious satire a la Coulter) aside, Moore’s approach is to take facts and by transposing them visually creating a lie from those facts. Brilliant editing work, but highly unethical. Which is worse? Neither approach qualifies as rational discourse. Of course, you’re only focusing on the conservatives because these people have managed to be successful in the media. Those on the Left who are the same and act the same for some reason don’t succeed in the market. The question one should raise is why and how can that be?
Disagree with all too many on the Left, and you’re a racist, sexist, homophobic bourgeoisie. Yeah, right, that’s rational discourse.
posted April 14, 2009 at 4:07 pm
No, Troy, I am not writing about those people.