Hello, this is T. Thorn Coyle, stepping in for Gus today. One of the things I do in life is act as a spiritual director. Recently, one of my clients was talking about a struggle with the fact that...
Wow, What a nice way of putting thoughts on Impermanence...
I agree and when I read this... there is sense of love for this life.. and it does not matter how it is... the courage to accept these changes .... only we need..
May the One who is invisible take care of us...
Regards,
Raman
Cheryl
June 4, 2009 8:45 AM
Welcome Thorn; thank you for spending some time with us.
I think the fear of change is strongest when things are going well and you don't WANT them to change. "If it ain't broke don't fix it" - or change it. But when things are going not-so-well, the thought of change isn't so scary because you don't like the current situation. An election was won on the platform of Change (thank the Gods!).
The strength for people who work with Magick is that we can have a hand in directing that change. We aren't just floating downstream with no way to affect our course. Change is inevitable and constant - aging is a good example - still we can change HOW we age by how well we take care of ourselves.
I'm a Taurus and no one has more trouble dealing with change than those in that sign. Yet over time I've learned to deal with it - direct it when I can, roll with it when I can't.
And I remember what my Mom used to tell me and I'm sure you've all heard the saying, "If nothing ever changed there would be no butterflies".
Alan Joel
June 4, 2009 9:16 AM
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So true. Once when I was in a tough position one of my magic mentors told me to walk in the rain by running water. The idea was that the running water carried away the old while rain brought in the new. It was a wonderful way to allow change into my life peacefully.
Kay
June 4, 2009 9:27 AM
http://gaiasplace.com
It's taken me a long time to develop some sort of peace with change.
Not wanting things to change does stem from fear of the unknown. What I have to remind myself is that change isn't always for the worse, but even if it is, it could become something better. The universe ebbs and flows that way.
Jim Wilson
June 4, 2009 10:08 AM
A beautiful column; change is a difficult truth for people, including myself, to fully realize. I’d like to suggest another reason why it is difficult, other than the one you mentioned about the resistance of the ego. The normal, everyday appearance of the world seems to be a world of stability. For example, the desk I am writing this on appears to be the same desk that I saw yesterday, and the day before, and, I suspect, will be here tomorrow. I understand conceptually that the desk is changing, that it is a dynamic process, but I do not perceive that change directly. I have to infer that it is changing and inference is weaker than perception. For this reason I think that the difficulty of comprehending the pervasiveness of change is due, at least in part, to our ordinary perceptions of the world which are, in a sense, too coarse to perceive how dynamic existence is. The exercise you gave on the plant is a wonderful antidote to this coarseness. There are others: contemplate a flowing river, contemplate a candle flame until the candle is extinguished (use a small candle), contemplate the sounds of nature as they arise and disappear.
Thanks again for a wonderful column.
Aron G.
June 4, 2009 10:41 AM
Nice commentary, Thorn. I sometimes have wondered if I'm ib small minority in having the perspective of impermanence, admittedly hearing it mostly from Buddhist and Buddhist-influenced philosophies. It's good to hear it coming from a Pagan!
Some Pagans give me the impression that they view the Gods are as a the permanent processes of the universe. Can't say I'm cursing those people, I just disagree with it.
Tess
June 4, 2009 11:00 AM
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Coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of "Angel" just yesterday and some dialogue (spoken by The Host) struck me so much I wrote it down:
"It's like a song. I can hold a note for a long time. Eventually that's just noise. It's the change we listening for. The note coming after and after that. That's what makes it music."
Cheryl
June 4, 2009 11:33 AM
Tess that's beautiful. Change: The music of the Cosmos.
Of course I have to do my best to be the Conductor of my little piece of it!
MaryAnne
June 4, 2009 3:12 PM
All true, and it occurs to me that some of those Other Religions (like the ones many of us were raised with) teach that the physical world is impermanent and changing, but the spirit ("real") world is unchanging and deathless. I always had a problem with that; MY spirit never felt unchanging!
Cully
June 4, 2009 3:41 PM
Wonderful post, Thorn - Thank you.
"one of my clients was talking about a struggle with the fact that things change. S/he wanted something to remain inviolate, permanent. When I responded that everything is in a state of change, that the universe is always in process, that the Gods are in process, that God Herself, the Limitless Divine, is in process, s/he replied, 'Yes, I know you say that. But I have a hard time believing it'."
Interesting that your client used the term "believe" when actually they have a hard time "accepting" change. I like what Tess shared with us - if nothing changes then it's just noise but when change comes it is growth... "The music of the Cosmos" - Thank you Cheryl!!
Blessings!
Jim Wilson
June 4, 2009 7:56 PM
Responding to several comments on this thread, one of those with the clearest understanding of impermanence and the presence of the ultimate as impermanence was Dogen, founder of Soto Zen in Japan. In an essay on Buddha Nature he wrote, "Impermanence is Buddha Nature." That single sentence has opened many doors of understanding for me.
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Gus diZerega is a political scientist/theorist with a PhD from the University of California at Berkeley. While living and working as an artist and craftsperson to finance his degree, he met and later studied with teachers in NeoPaganism, the earth religions more generally, and shamanic healing.
Very true! and very nice. Thank You.
Wow, What a nice way of putting thoughts on Impermanence...
I agree and when I read this... there is sense of love for this life.. and it does not matter how it is... the courage to accept these changes .... only we need..
May the One who is invisible take care of us...
Regards,
Raman
Welcome Thorn; thank you for spending some time with us.
I think the fear of change is strongest when things are going well and you don't WANT them to change. "If it ain't broke don't fix it" - or change it. But when things are going not-so-well, the thought of change isn't so scary because you don't like the current situation. An election was won on the platform of Change (thank the Gods!).
The strength for people who work with Magick is that we can have a hand in directing that change. We aren't just floating downstream with no way to affect our course. Change is inevitable and constant - aging is a good example - still we can change HOW we age by how well we take care of ourselves.
I'm a Taurus and no one has more trouble dealing with change than those in that sign. Yet over time I've learned to deal with it - direct it when I can, roll with it when I can't.
And I remember what my Mom used to tell me and I'm sure you've all heard the saying, "If nothing ever changed there would be no butterflies".
So true. Once when I was in a tough position one of my magic mentors told me to walk in the rain by running water. The idea was that the running water carried away the old while rain brought in the new. It was a wonderful way to allow change into my life peacefully.
It's taken me a long time to develop some sort of peace with change.
Not wanting things to change does stem from fear of the unknown. What I have to remind myself is that change isn't always for the worse, but even if it is, it could become something better. The universe ebbs and flows that way.
A beautiful column; change is a difficult truth for people, including myself, to fully realize. I’d like to suggest another reason why it is difficult, other than the one you mentioned about the resistance of the ego. The normal, everyday appearance of the world seems to be a world of stability. For example, the desk I am writing this on appears to be the same desk that I saw yesterday, and the day before, and, I suspect, will be here tomorrow. I understand conceptually that the desk is changing, that it is a dynamic process, but I do not perceive that change directly. I have to infer that it is changing and inference is weaker than perception. For this reason I think that the difficulty of comprehending the pervasiveness of change is due, at least in part, to our ordinary perceptions of the world which are, in a sense, too coarse to perceive how dynamic existence is. The exercise you gave on the plant is a wonderful antidote to this coarseness. There are others: contemplate a flowing river, contemplate a candle flame until the candle is extinguished (use a small candle), contemplate the sounds of nature as they arise and disappear.
Thanks again for a wonderful column.
Nice commentary, Thorn. I sometimes have wondered if I'm ib small minority in having the perspective of impermanence, admittedly hearing it mostly from Buddhist and Buddhist-influenced philosophies. It's good to hear it coming from a Pagan!
Some Pagans give me the impression that they view the Gods are as a the permanent processes of the universe. Can't say I'm cursing those people, I just disagree with it.
Coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of "Angel" just yesterday and some dialogue (spoken by The Host) struck me so much I wrote it down:
"It's like a song. I can hold a note for a long time. Eventually that's just noise. It's the change we listening for. The note coming after and after that. That's what makes it music."
Tess that's beautiful. Change: The music of the Cosmos.
Of course I have to do my best to be the Conductor of my little piece of it!
All true, and it occurs to me that some of those Other Religions (like the ones many of us were raised with) teach that the physical world is impermanent and changing, but the spirit ("real") world is unchanging and deathless. I always had a problem with that; MY spirit never felt unchanging!
Wonderful post, Thorn - Thank you.
"one of my clients was talking about a struggle with the fact that things change. S/he wanted something to remain inviolate, permanent. When I responded that everything is in a state of change, that the universe is always in process, that the Gods are in process, that God Herself, the Limitless Divine, is in process, s/he replied, 'Yes, I know you say that. But I have a hard time believing it'."
Interesting that your client used the term "believe" when actually they have a hard time "accepting" change. I like what Tess shared with us - if nothing changes then it's just noise but when change comes it is growth... "The music of the Cosmos" - Thank you Cheryl!!
Blessings!
Responding to several comments on this thread, one of those with the clearest understanding of impermanence and the presence of the ultimate as impermanence was Dogen, founder of Soto Zen in Japan. In an essay on Buddha Nature he wrote, "Impermanence is Buddha Nature." That single sentence has opened many doors of understanding for me.
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