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Lynn Hayes
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6:28am Wednesday July 16, 2008
Barack Obama has a square from Neptune to the Sun in his chart.
Neptune, the planet that is shrouded in mists and mystery, is a difficult planet to have in challenging aspect to one’s Sun, the essential Self. I know this for a fact, because Neptune sits right on my own Sun in Libra. The challenging aspect from Neptune to the Sun makes it difficult for others to see you as you are; those Neptune mists obscure the rays of the Sun/Self and create a situation where others can easily create fantasies and ilusions (Neptune) about who they think you are. Later they may decide that the Neptune/Sun person was false, rather than admit to their own misconceptions and failure to see clearly what was there all along.
There is no better example of this than a man I knew quite a few years ago when I was single. I knew him for about five years before he asked me out. We dated for a couple of months, and then, in a fury, he said to me, “For five years I’ve had a fantasy about you, and you’re nothing like I imagined.”
Many of us have done the same thing with Barack Obama. Despite the fact that Obama’s positions were clear in position papers on his website, we fell in love with his beautiful voice and the inspiration of coming together for change. It never occurred to us that in uniting the country compromises would have to be made to our cherished principles.
Gail Collins had a great column in the New York Times last weekend called “The Audacity of Listening.” She writes,
I know, I know. You’re upset. You think the guy you fell in love with last spring is spending the summer flip-flopping his way to the right. Drifting to the center. Going all moderate on you. So you’re withholding the love. Also possibly the money.
I feel your pain. I just don’t know what candidate you’re talking about.
Think back. Why, exactly, did you prefer Obama over Hillary Clinton in the first place? Their policies were almost identical — except his health care proposal was more conservative. You liked Barack because you thought he could get us past the old brain-dead politics, right? He talked — and talked and talked — about how there were going to be no more red states and blue states, how he was going to bring Americans together, including Republicans and Democrats.
Exactly where did everybody think this gathering was going to take place? Left field? When an extremely intelligent politician tells you over and over and over that he is tired of the take-no-prisoners politics of the last several decades, that he is going to get things done and build a “new consensus,” he is trying to explain that he is all about compromise. Even if he says it in that great Baracky way.
There’s no doubt that on June 23, when Obama went through a double Mars/Uranus whammy (with transiting Uranus (radical change, revolution) opposing Mars (drive, desire, aggressive instincts) in his chart and transiting Mars conjunct Uranus in his chart) he did a whole lot of flip-flopping. Less important to me personally was the reversal on public finance reform (I do, after all, want him to get elected) than his signing of the FISA bill granting immunity to telecom companies in a clear violation of his earlier pledge. And I was angry that it took him a week to communicate to his supporters why he had done so. But I wasn’t surprised, because when we’re in a big Mars/Uranus event we are feeling rebellious, even reckless. We’re on a mission and no one will stop us.
Transiting Uranus has been stationary in this move against Obama’s Mars since May, and it is just now beginning to retrograde back out of range. The final hit of this cycle will occur in March of 2009. During this same period transiting Jupiter (expansion, optimism) has been harmoniously aspecting Obama’s Mars and he is more confident than ever before.
Obama’s Neptune/Sun square made it easy to believe that he would be the ideal leader we have all been waiting for, the man who could be all things to all people. Now we know that is not the case. Still, the fact is that in moving to the center to facilitate the important changes, like ending the war and stopping the flood of wealth and security away from the middle class, we may have to forfeit some of our personal agendas.
This video of Obama’s speech on the war shows that he is still the guy we voted for.
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I knew the system would start to suck him up sometime. If anyone ever looks too good to be true, they probably are. Hopefully, this is a lesson for all of us to stand up in ourselves and take some personal responsibility for our lives instead of looking for the knight in shining armor to fix us.
I still like Obama. Always have. I just figured that, at some point, the pressures of political power would sway him somewhat. It always happens when you dive into a corrupt system to change it
I like your analysis, Lynn, and also read that article in the NYT. I’m not disappointed about him becoming more visibly centrist. I wish people who _are_ disappointed would think about this: if Obama isn’t elected, he will change nothing. And instead, we’ll add four more years of Republican leadership to the last eight. Obama is about hope, yes – but consider how bad the contrary really is: four more years in the same directions we have been going is about hopelessness. Our country _cannot_ afford that. I don’t even want to think about where we’ll be in four more years if that happens. Scary thought is: we’ll be in 2012
Lynn, I am glad you still like O but from my perspective he is showing the same weakness by moving to the ‘center’ that Kerry did.
The problem I have is that all of the major issues are in favor of the Democrats (the crumbling foundation of this economy-capitalism) and Iraq yet Obama is ‘compromising’ on social issues by stating that he is against late-term abortions(whenever that is supposed to be) and he is actually sponsering a car for a NASCAR and will attend at least one car race to show that Democrats the South. LOL
He actually believes that these feel good jestures are going to make Southerners vote for him in November.
Let’s hope the NACAR fans don’t ask him to hold up a Conferdate flag for the cameras.
Well thought out analysis of the Neptune-Sun aspect phenomena. What always amazes me is how angry people get when reality intrudes on their illusions/expectations of the Neptune-Sun person.
Recently I read some comments on a fan website for David Cook [Sun conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius] and was confounded by what they were projecting on him. It was very creepy actually.
Me, I have Moon conjunct Neptune in Libra and got told I was emotionally “elusive” or unavailable
Thanks for these great comments. I wanted to get this post out before I go live on Belief Net on Friday, I don’t want to go right in with political stuff until I know who’s out there.
Roderick – I have to say I think Obama is showing a lot more backbone than Kerry ever did. Obama has said he started wearing the flag pin because he got tired of having to talk about it in every interview and it was obscuring the issues, which did make sense to me. I myself was ready to wear a flag pin to stop the nonsense.
Remember Kerry, he knuckled under to every attack and was as spineless as we can imagine, whereas Obama stands right up after every attack and refutes it with grace and intelligence. Anyway, that’s my opinion.
Jilly, thanks for posting that video! I love Jibjab
I have Sun conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 6th house, and what you describe is very accurate — and it’s dogged me in every job I’ve had! Somehow they expect me to be bland and demure and then, oops, the Scorpio intensity comes out. And it seems to make them really angry.
As far as Obama, I think you’re right that he hasn’t essentially changed. We were so hungry to hear those romantic, articulate words of his speech back at the 04 convention, though — no one has made a speech like that in decades. What disappoints me most now is that I don’t think he understands women’s issues — all the issues of we middle-aged women who also wanted Hillary to be more than she was able to be. The pandering to faith-based organizations and hints of anti-choice rhetoric makes me nervous
The pandering to faith-based organizations and hints of anti-choice rhetoric makes me nervous.
The thing about faith-based organizations is that really, many of these organizations are doing really great things. In Durham North Carolina there is an organization called the Rescue Mission that houses homeless people and trains them to prepare them for real jobs. They have to go to bible study classes, which is too bad, but secular folks by and large are not the ones doing these things. I think supporting faith-based programs is fine as long as they are serving a public purpose and not just promoting one religion over another.
I haven’t heard any anti-choice rhetoric, and didn’t NARAL endorse Obama while Hillary was still running
The Sun-Neptune aspects are dangerous. My husband has Sun closely conjunct Neptune in the 1st, in Scorpio, with Scorpio rising. The sexual B.S. that insecure women have projected onto him has been staggering — really loopy things that I have witnessed. I had a friend with Sun/Neptune conjunct in Taurus and she had the same experience with a man as you, Lynn.
I really worry about how crushed people will be when they wake up to the fact that Barack Obama is, after all, a human (like everyone else) who has problems and issues (like everyone else). I don’t trust Neptunian responses from people at all, and wish that people would make political decisions based on rational analyses of proposed policies and not how inspiring someone is, or how good that someone makes a voter feel
Hi Lynn, I don’t disagree that faith-based organizations do wonderful — amazing — things and that the people who run most of them are truly dedicated and selfless. But I do believe in a separation of church and state.
Obama — and I was one who was truly starry-eyed about him — has made some comments I disagree with about choice, using some of the language of the right and suggesting that he thinks the government has some role in legislating morality, at least as far as this issue. But nobody’s paying much attention — women’s issues are out of fashion.
I still like John and Elizabeth Edwards. And I will still vote for any Democrat over McCain and hope for the best.
As for Sun/Neptune — I’d love to hear more. Your insights are fascinating. Good luck with BeliefNet
Hi Lynn,
I learned long ago that if it is too good to be true, then it is. This is just a lesson a whole generation is learning now. What I don’t like is that the same rhetoric that some of his supporters turned against Hillary, they are not turning against him and it is not nice. I am a Hillary Clinton democrat, and I was very upset by how it all went down, but I firmly believe that this country will get the president that it deserves. I am just very worried about the economic crises and the fact that the Treasury department is trying to prevent bank failures – this is serious business. I am even considering voting for Obaman now just because he IS moving to the center.
Any true student of history does not buy into or believe in Hero worship – and really – that is what it was all about – hero worship. But remember, Hitler had the same hero worship, Musollini, the Caesars – it is not a good thing. You have to see humans for who they are – not who you want them to be.
Obama embodies the victim, savior, redeemer paradigm, and Liz Greene wrote a book on it years ago called “Neptune and the Quest for Redemption”, those of us wise to the phenomena do not buy into it nor trust it at all. Look at this man with his feet of clay and decide if you still want him as president. You might. I am reconsidering as he is moving to the center
Thank you for your insight and commentary on Obama’s Neptunian challenges. He also has his Mercury square Neptune, which poses another potential problem for keeping him “honest”–politician— mutually contradictory, methinks! I also have Sun conjunct Neptune with Venus (in Libra in the 7th) thrown into the mix as well, and I have been “bamboozled” in relationships, but am pretty right on when it comes to evaluating individuals (apart from the emotional involvements). This is probably my Mercury in Scorpio in the 8th, quite perceptive. I have learned to trust my “gut” instincts/feelings about people as well. And, I did not feel comfortable about Obama at all from day one. Then I checked out his astrology chart—interesting with all his Neptunian energy, a reliable birth time was not readily available!! My astrology clients that have that Mercury square Neptune, if they are honest, or are really working on themselves psychologically and spiritually, confess that they struggle with telling the truth. They generally have a psychological need to be self-aggrandizing as if who they are is not acceptable to themselves. I see that in Obama—-I don’t think we will ever know where he stands on anything. He has changed his positions on FISA (he used to support no telecom immunity), the Iraq War, etc. There are YouTube speeches to verify these. I am also not comfortable with all of his shady associations like Rev. Wright, Rezko, Auchi, William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan. Many “things” do not add up, as well as his Chicago-style politics.
Now the possibility of his not being born in Hawaii is emerging and it’s come to light that his father and mother were not married when he was born, which does not matter to me except for the fact that he lied and misled people about this.
It’s interesting that many commentators, media people are starting to comment on his arrogance and “cockiness” now as well—how’s that for a Mercury in Leo individual. It is interesting how a person’s astrology chart is reflected in public comments–it does bleed through!
I will not be voting for a president (have always voted Dem. and have never missed voting before) if Obama is the Dem. nominee, as I can’t truly support McCain (a Republican) either. Several of my other long-time Dems will be voting for McCain, first time voting for a Republican, too, as they say they just don’t feel like they can trust Obama!
Even though I expected Obama’s tilt to center, it is still discomforting. However, I think that his basic gut response to problems- to meet with people who are different, to listen, to discuss, and then to decide- is preferable to bomb first, think later.
Thanks for your comments Georgia. It’s interesting to see how things that Obama is doing are becoming emulated by the Bush administration, such as their so-called “talking” to Iran, which of course was more bullying than anything and naturally did not have the desired effect.
I have always been a Republican and have changed my party, and so have many republicans. George Bush is a spoiled brat who has always been rich, thats very evident. John McCain is in the wealthy class also. No one speaks of his wealthy wife stealing drugs from a org. for her own use!!!! Obama can’t do any worse, can he? Bush and Cheney should both be held accountable for what they have done to this country!!!!! Cheney should go to jail and most people say that. He better be careful around those people from Eastern Shore where he built his retirement compound ( with the taxpayers money ) They are both being quiet, waiting to get out now that they have made thiers!!!!! Sandy-MD.
barack is our best hope…he is surrounded by great people, who are intelligent, reasonably honest(this is american politics!) and care about middle and lower class people’s well being…how could anyone vote republican after what they have done , not only to our constitution, and our country, but to the world…the mess those “experienced” politicians will leave behind is horrific…michael murphy
I just wanted to say that your information that you gather is coming from other sources. Me, Myself, I realize that my information comes from within Me that’s my way of seeing it, and I own that.I am not saying that what you are gathering is false or true, but I know that your true truth resides within you and Barack did say that he’s not perfect but in reality everyone is perfect in their own way these signals that you all are gathering sounds more like judgements from other sources that are telling you something about others that just might not be accurate try going within yourselves and come from a place of observation instead of a place of judgement from some other sources Peace John.
I have the same problem(people not really seeing who I am). My Sag Sun is almost in the 8th house, but I don’t think my Neptune is at a hard angle. What I find most interesting about Barack is not that I don’t see him as he is, because I really feel I do. And I sweat with him in the tight spots, like when he had to face down the Pennsylvania folks after making some careless remarks. I happened to agree with his assessment of this segment of society while at the same time realizing he was going to have to do some “damage control” if he expects to get elected in “Redneck country”. He really has a “social worker” mentality, and that may be the Sun-Neptune configuration, as his Leo Sun would tend to be more ego-promoting, and Neptune sort of puts a damper on that, making him more conciliatory. My mother was a social worker, and I find he takes a stance much as she would have.
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posted July 16, 2008 at 7:36 am
I knew the system would start to suck him up sometime. If anyone ever looks too good to be true, they probably are. Hopefully, this is a lesson for all of us to stand up in ourselves and take some personal responsibility for our lives instead of looking for the knight in shining armor to fix us.
I still like Obama. Always have. I just figured that, at some point, the pressures of political power would sway him somewhat. It always happens when you dive into a corrupt system to change it
posted July 16, 2008 at 8:20 am
I like your analysis, Lynn, and also read that article in the NYT. I’m not disappointed about him becoming more visibly centrist. I wish people who _are_ disappointed would think about this: if Obama isn’t elected, he will change nothing. And instead, we’ll add four more years of Republican leadership to the last eight. Obama is about hope, yes – but consider how bad the contrary really is: four more years in the same directions we have been going is about hopelessness. Our country _cannot_ afford that. I don’t even want to think about where we’ll be in four more years if that happens. Scary thought is: we’ll be in 2012
posted July 16, 2008 at 8:57 am
Lynn, I am glad you still like O but from my perspective he is showing the same weakness by moving to the ‘center’ that Kerry did.
The problem I have is that all of the major issues are in favor of the Democrats (the crumbling foundation of this economy-capitalism) and Iraq yet Obama is ‘compromising’ on social issues by stating that he is against late-term abortions(whenever that is supposed to be) and he is actually sponsering a car for a NASCAR and will attend at least one car race to show that Democrats the South. LOL
He actually believes that these feel good jestures are going to make Southerners vote for him in November.
Let’s hope the NACAR fans don’t ask him to hold up a Conferdate flag for the cameras.
posted July 16, 2008 at 11:31 am
Well thought out analysis of the Neptune-Sun aspect phenomena. What always amazes me is how angry people get when reality intrudes on their illusions/expectations of the Neptune-Sun person.
Recently I read some comments on a fan website for David Cook [Sun conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius] and was confounded by what they were projecting on him. It was very creepy actually.
Me, I have Moon conjunct Neptune in Libra and got told I was emotionally “elusive” or unavailable
posted July 16, 2008 at 11:45 am
Jibjab has a new funny election video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a…h?
v=adc3MSS5Ydc
posted July 16, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Thanks for these great comments. I wanted to get this post out before I go live on Belief Net on Friday, I don’t want to go right in with political stuff until I know who’s out there.
Roderick – I have to say I think Obama is showing a lot more backbone than Kerry ever did. Obama has said he started wearing the flag pin because he got tired of having to talk about it in every interview and it was obscuring the issues, which did make sense to me. I myself was ready to wear a flag pin to stop the nonsense.
Remember Kerry, he knuckled under to every attack and was as spineless as we can imagine, whereas Obama stands right up after every attack and refutes it with grace and intelligence. Anyway, that’s my opinion.
Jilly, thanks for posting that video! I love Jibjab
posted July 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Obama is not “moving” to the center — he is “staying” in the center, which is where he has always been.
Our lovely projections into our own personal mirrors made us think he was somewhere else.
His fault? Nah
posted July 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I have Sun conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 6th house, and what you describe is very accurate — and it’s dogged me in every job I’ve had! Somehow they expect me to be bland and demure and then, oops, the Scorpio intensity comes out. And it seems to make them really angry.
As far as Obama, I think you’re right that he hasn’t essentially changed. We were so hungry to hear those romantic, articulate words of his speech back at the 04 convention, though — no one has made a speech like that in decades. What disappoints me most now is that I don’t think he understands women’s issues — all the issues of we middle-aged women who also wanted Hillary to be more than she was able to be. The pandering to faith-based organizations and hints of anti-choice rhetoric makes me nervous
posted July 16, 2008 at 8:08 pm
The pandering to faith-based organizations and hints of anti-choice rhetoric makes me nervous.
The thing about faith-based organizations is that really, many of these organizations are doing really great things. In Durham North Carolina there is an organization called the Rescue Mission that houses homeless people and trains them to prepare them for real jobs. They have to go to bible study classes, which is too bad, but secular folks by and large are not the ones doing these things. I think supporting faith-based programs is fine as long as they are serving a public purpose and not just promoting one religion over another.
I haven’t heard any anti-choice rhetoric, and didn’t NARAL endorse Obama while Hillary was still running
posted July 16, 2008 at 9:35 pm
The Sun-Neptune aspects are dangerous. My husband has Sun closely conjunct Neptune in the 1st, in Scorpio, with Scorpio rising. The sexual B.S. that insecure women have projected onto him has been staggering — really loopy things that I have witnessed. I had a friend with Sun/Neptune conjunct in Taurus and she had the same experience with a man as you, Lynn.
I really worry about how crushed people will be when they wake up to the fact that Barack Obama is, after all, a human (like everyone else) who has problems and issues (like everyone else). I don’t trust Neptunian responses from people at all, and wish that people would make political decisions based on rational analyses of proposed policies and not how inspiring someone is, or how good that someone makes a voter feel
posted July 16, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Hi Lynn, I don’t disagree that faith-based organizations do wonderful — amazing — things and that the people who run most of them are truly dedicated and selfless. But I do believe in a separation of church and state.
Obama — and I was one who was truly starry-eyed about him — has made some comments I disagree with about choice, using some of the language of the right and suggesting that he thinks the government has some role in legislating morality, at least as far as this issue. But nobody’s paying much attention — women’s issues are out of fashion.
I still like John and Elizabeth Edwards. And I will still vote for any Democrat over McCain and hope for the best.
As for Sun/Neptune — I’d love to hear more. Your insights are fascinating. Good luck with BeliefNet
posted July 17, 2008 at 7:09 am
Hi Lynn,
I learned long ago that if it is too good to be true, then it is. This is just a lesson a whole generation is learning now. What I don’t like is that the same rhetoric that some of his supporters turned against Hillary, they are not turning against him and it is not nice. I am a Hillary Clinton democrat, and I was very upset by how it all went down, but I firmly believe that this country will get the president that it deserves. I am just very worried about the economic crises and the fact that the Treasury department is trying to prevent bank failures – this is serious business. I am even considering voting for Obaman now just because he IS moving to the center.
Any true student of history does not buy into or believe in Hero worship – and really – that is what it was all about – hero worship. But remember, Hitler had the same hero worship, Musollini, the Caesars – it is not a good thing. You have to see humans for who they are – not who you want them to be.
Obama embodies the victim, savior, redeemer paradigm, and Liz Greene wrote a book on it years ago called “Neptune and the Quest for Redemption”, those of us wise to the phenomena do not buy into it nor trust it at all. Look at this man with his feet of clay and decide if you still want him as president. You might. I am reconsidering as he is moving to the center
posted July 18, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Michelle Obama tried to warn everyone. She said he didn’t put away the butter or his socks, and everyone just scolded her.
posted July 18, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Thank you for your insight and commentary on Obama’s Neptunian challenges. He also has his Mercury square Neptune, which poses another potential problem for keeping him “honest”–politician— mutually contradictory, methinks! I also have Sun conjunct Neptune with Venus (in Libra in the 7th) thrown into the mix as well, and I have been “bamboozled” in relationships, but am pretty right on when it comes to evaluating individuals (apart from the emotional involvements). This is probably my Mercury in Scorpio in the 8th, quite perceptive. I have learned to trust my “gut” instincts/feelings about people as well. And, I did not feel comfortable about Obama at all from day one. Then I checked out his astrology chart—interesting with all his Neptunian energy, a reliable birth time was not readily available!! My astrology clients that have that Mercury square Neptune, if they are honest, or are really working on themselves psychologically and spiritually, confess that they struggle with telling the truth. They generally have a psychological need to be self-aggrandizing as if who they are is not acceptable to themselves. I see that in Obama—-I don’t think we will ever know where he stands on anything. He has changed his positions on FISA (he used to support no telecom immunity), the Iraq War, etc. There are YouTube speeches to verify these. I am also not comfortable with all of his shady associations like Rev. Wright, Rezko, Auchi, William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan. Many “things” do not add up, as well as his Chicago-style politics.
Now the possibility of his not being born in Hawaii is emerging and it’s come to light that his father and mother were not married when he was born, which does not matter to me except for the fact that he lied and misled people about this.
It’s interesting that many commentators, media people are starting to comment on his arrogance and “cockiness” now as well—how’s that for a Mercury in Leo individual. It is interesting how a person’s astrology chart is reflected in public comments–it does bleed through!
I will not be voting for a president (have always voted Dem. and have never missed voting before) if Obama is the Dem. nominee, as I can’t truly support McCain (a Republican) either. Several of my other long-time Dems will be voting for McCain, first time voting for a Republican, too, as they say they just don’t feel like they can trust Obama!
posted July 22, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Even though I expected Obama’s tilt to center, it is still discomforting. However, I think that his basic gut response to problems- to meet with people who are different, to listen, to discuss, and then to decide- is preferable to bomb first, think later.
posted July 24, 2008 at 7:33 am
Thanks for your comments Georgia. It’s interesting to see how things that Obama is doing are becoming emulated by the Bush administration, such as their so-called “talking” to Iran, which of course was more bullying than anything and naturally did not have the desired effect.
posted July 28, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I have always been a Republican and have changed my party, and so have many republicans. George Bush is a spoiled brat who has always been rich, thats very evident. John McCain is in the wealthy class also. No one speaks of his wealthy wife stealing drugs from a org. for her own use!!!! Obama can’t do any worse, can he? Bush and Cheney should both be held accountable for what they have done to this country!!!!! Cheney should go to jail and most people say that. He better be careful around those people from Eastern Shore where he built his retirement compound ( with the taxpayers money ) They are both being quiet, waiting to get out now that they have made thiers!!!!! Sandy-MD.
posted August 9, 2008 at 4:42 pm
barack is our best hope…he is surrounded by great people, who are intelligent, reasonably honest(this is american politics!) and care about middle and lower class people’s well being…how could anyone vote republican after what they have done , not only to our constitution, and our country, but to the world…the mess those “experienced” politicians will leave behind is horrific…michael murphy
posted August 30, 2008 at 12:44 am
will lou come home to me
posted September 11, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I just wanted to say that your information that you gather is coming from other sources. Me, Myself, I realize that my information comes from within Me that’s my way of seeing it, and I own that.I am not saying that what you are gathering is false or true, but I know that your true truth resides within you and Barack did say that he’s not perfect but in reality everyone is perfect in their own way these signals that you all are gathering sounds more like judgements from other sources that are telling you something about others that just might not be accurate try going within yourselves and come from a place of observation instead of a place of judgement from some other sources Peace John.
posted October 4, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I have the same problem(people not really seeing who I am). My Sag Sun is almost in the 8th house, but I don’t think my Neptune is at a hard angle. What I find most interesting about Barack is not that I don’t see him as he is, because I really feel I do. And I sweat with him in the tight spots, like when he had to face down the Pennsylvania folks after making some careless remarks. I happened to agree with his assessment of this segment of society while at the same time realizing he was going to have to do some “damage control” if he expects to get elected in “Redneck country”. He really has a “social worker” mentality, and that may be the Sun-Neptune configuration, as his Leo Sun would tend to be more ego-promoting, and Neptune sort of puts a damper on that, making him more conciliatory. My mother was a social worker, and I find he takes a stance much as she would have.