Out of respect to the Edwards family and in response to the comments of my thoughtful readers, I have edited this post.
I confess that during the Presidential campaign I became disillusioned by John Edwards, beginning with his sudden passion for populism. Having observed him during his time in the Senate, I knew that Edwards had never shown any interest in the working poor, and this sudden crusade rang false to me. The Edwards’ live in a famously huge mansion on 100 acres outside of Chapel Hill on a property that is ringed with “no tresspassing” signs, and their children attend the prestigious Chapel Hill schools even though they live outside of the district. To me, this is the very two Americas that Edwards spoke so passionately against.
Last week I read in the news that Edwards had ended a a scholarship program that he began during lead-up to his presidential run now that his presidential aspirations had failed which appears to me to be a confirmation that the passion for the poor was a passing fancy.
I first heard of the National Enquirer rumors about Edwards’ supposed affair last winter but in view of Elizabeth Edwards’ battle with cancer I, like other writers, chose not to address these rumors. Today Edwards admitted to ABC News that he had an affair back in 2006 with Rielle Hunter. Ms. Hunter had a baby in February of this year that was rumored to be Edwards’ but campaign officer Andrew Young claimed paternity. Young has since moved, with his wife and family, out to California to be with Mr. Hunter.
Last year I wrote this profile of John Edwards:
Edwards is driven both by a sincere desire to help people and a fierce ambition combined with a brilliant intellect. But with four planets in Gemini, he has difficulty focusing. Gemini of course is the sign of the twins, the sign of communication. Gemini has a thirst for experience, an intense curiosity and brilliant mind. Gemini is the jack of all trades and extremely versatile; they are chameleons who can change their skins frequently and in fact they usually dislike becoming overly involved in one particular project. The career of John Edwards has reflected this trait.
Gemini usually bestows a youthful appearance, and we can see this in the face of John Edwards as well. Edwards was an extremely successful trial lawyer for 20 years, representing families and children before entering politics. After the death of his son in 1996 he gave up on his dream of a family law business and went into politics and it was at this point that he appeared to lose his focus. He won the Senate seat in North Carolina in 1998 but almost immediately began pursuing higher office and was reportedly on the short list for vice president in 2000. We Democrat consistuents were dismayed at the lack of commitment that Edwards showed to his party and to the state in not waiting for his term to be completed when he began campaigning for president as early as 2001.
In 2004 when Edwards retired to run for president that Senate seat went to Republican Richard Burr. After his presidential bid failed he became the first director of a new Center on Poverty at the University of North Carolina – a post that he just resigned in order to run for president. John Edwards is an extremely likeable guy – my friend ran into him at the local physical therapist and was overwhelmed by his charm and his chatty friendliness. There is no doubt that he is brilliant. However, his political history reflects the lack of focus indicated in his birthchart and I was doubtful whether he has the ability to stick to a position as intense as President for four years and really focus on the issues at hand.
The four planets in Gemini in the chart of John Edwards are the Sun, Mars and a conjunction of the Moon to Mercury. This is a powerful Geminian influence that is the fulcrum of his chart. Mars in Gemini shows that he is driven (Mars) to experience a variety of things and to learn (Gemini), but also that his physical energy (Mars) can be scattered and unfocused (Gemini). Moon in Gemini shows an emotional need (Moon) for variety and a dislike of convention (Gemini). There is also a need to talk and communicate one’s feelings and this can lead to an intellectualization (Gemini) of the feelings (Moon).
Jupiter in Gemini suggests success (Jupiter) will come through communication (Gemini) but also that the Gemini tendency to multitask and seek variety becomes expanded (Jupiter). Most importantly, the conjunction of Jupiter to the Moon indicates an individual who is on a mission (Jupiter). There is an expanded (Jupiter) sense of compassion and nurturing (Moon) and an inner sense of righteousness in one’s path. Jupiter is the King of the Gods after all, and can often bring the kind of self-righteousness we have seen with religious and political leaders whose Suns are connected to Jupiter.
Rising in Edward’s chart is the nurturing sign of Cancer and Mercury (thought process) is in that sign as well, showing that he is very concerned with taking care of others. Cancer is a “cardinal,” or active sign so the nurturing that it provides is very action-oriented: feeding the poor, organizing groups of social conscience. Cancer is also driven by love of family and very protective of their loved ones. It is no wonder that Edwards’s trial practiced focused on families. With Mercury in Cancer his thinking process (Mercury) is colored by the emotional sensitivity of Cancer which gives him a strong sensitivity to the needs of others. However, he is likely to be somewhat moody and make important decisions based on the feeling of the day.
Venus is in Taurus in his chart showing that his relationships (Venus) provide the stability that he needs (Taurus) and help to ground him. A challenging T-square in the chart of John Edwards may help to explain what drives him relentlessly towards the Presidency. Saturn and Neptune are conjunct in his chart in the fourth house, a configuration that combines the desire of Saturn to create form and achieve success with the urge of Neptune to dissolve form and withdraw into the world of spirit. There is a deep inner conflict here that is made stronger by the fact that both planets are retrograde and therefore operate a a more internal level. When Saturn is retrograde in a birthchart it also shows an individual who is self-critical and feels a lack of self-worth on a deep level. Ultimately the goal of this conjunction is to successfully unite the energy of the two planets by giving form to our dreams and ideals rather than dividing in conflict between these two directions.
Uranus squares Saturn and Neptune as it does in the charts of many babyboomers, indicating a conflict with authority figures and conventional society (Saturn/Uranus) and between one’s ideals (Neptune) and the reality of change (Uranus). Saturn and Neptune are both squared by Chiron, showing that this confusion between the world of matter and the world of spirit is a deep wound (Chiron) that Edwards carries within him. Chiron intensifies the negative self-talk of his retrograde Saturn and creates a relentless need for him to prove himself. I believe that this is the underlying element that drives his political ambition.
Transiting Pluto has been opposing Venus in Edwards’ progressed chart since the beginning of the year, a long term cycle that will continue into next year, turning his relationships (Venus) upside down. This cycle was in its first phase when Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with terminal breast cancer. At the same time, transiting Uranus began a two-year cycle in a challenging formation (square) to Edwards’ Sun. Uranus seeks freedom and change, and when we have Uranus squaring our Sun we are restless and rebellious and long for something new and different. Uranus is retrograding back now towards the square to his Sun and will make a station (stand still) between October and January, intensifying this urge to flee and creating all kinds of bizarre situations for him.
All public figures must play out their challenges in the public eye, making the entire process so much more difficult. But for astrology students, understanding the planetary effects behind the news can bring the lessons home in a way that book study cannot.
posted August 8, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Katie Couric did a series of interviews with the prospective presidential candidates last November. She talked with them about infidelity, but something that I found more interesting was her question about what each candidate most feared losing if they became president. Hillary Clinton answered, her health. Edwards, Biden and Obama replied that they feared losing their integrity. As a counselor my antennae went up.
As you say Lynn, we all face similar challenges. And similar choices. How can we tell from anyone’s chart whether they’re more likely to resolve these challenges on the side of strength or weakness?
I recall you had a similar discussion around an aspect to Neptune in Barack Obama’s chart a while back. I know that people who didn’t like Barack were inclined to interpret that aspect negatively while those who favored him were inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But I’m wondering if we can look to other factors in the chart that can give us some clue as to how a transit to an aspect is likely to play out in our character.
Sheila
posted August 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Edwards’ conduct doesn’t affect my opinion of him, which I will keep to myself.
Notice, however, that every time there’s a scandal of this magnitude, we’re blasted with media coverage 24/7 as a means to distract us from something else. I remember that the Gary Condit/Chandra Levy scandal distracted us from the US invasion of Afghanistan. Now Russia and (the former Soviet-bloc state) Georgia are beginning a war after the killings of 10 Russian peace-keepers this morning in that region. On cue, the Edwards affair blows up. What are we being distracted from?
What’s personally annoying to me is how some American are responding by asking why Russia is invading the American state of Georgia! WTF?! Oh wait, I forgot, geography isn’t a required subject in US schools anymore.
posted August 8, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Enough with the hand-wringing, already! Like disgraced New York Gemini Governor Eliot (Harvey Two-Face) Spitzer, Edwards’ need for his good cop/bad cop sides to communicate and thereby illuminate his path, is, on a spiritual level, his soul’s purpose. For the amoral Gemini, that’s the raison d’etre.
It has been said that sharp-witted Geminis are over-represented among the criminal class, because they are always trying to outwit the system.
What the Lord taketh away, he also giveth. John Edwards lost the love of his life, his sixteen year-old son, many years ago in a tragic Jeep accident. I just wish Edwards would stop denying he ever loved Rielle Hunter and would acknowledge his baby. They are now part of his family, like it or not. Why must a person be allowed to only love one “significant other” all their life? Especially since the Edwards’ situation bordered on extenuating circumstances.
And to think vipers like Anne Coulter were calling Edwards “the Breck Girl” and “a f-g”.
We live in a peculiarly morally circumscribed world where a man at midlife having an affair and baby with a healthy younger woman is condemnable. In truth, men tend toward polygamy and fertile young women. Since women’s lib, American females have tried to re-write biological imperatives, and done themselves no favors with “no-fault” divorce laws.
I certainly feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards, and most of all, for their eldest daughter who finished Princeton, quite an elite school. But everyone must roll with the punches. Since the announcement of her illness, I had always hoped Elizabeth would go to Mexico or somewhere else for excellent “alternative” treatments which can heal. She could do no worse than die. She seems like a martyr.
posted August 8, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I cringe when this sort of thing makes headlines but this is exactly what has been selling news for centuries so it’s nothing new. Politics has not changed much either.
For many years now i have chosen to vote based on the party platform rather than on the virtues (or lack of) of the individuals running for office.
posted August 8, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Another LYING SACK OF SH*T POLITICIAN, THAT John “look at me preen for the mirror” Edwards! OsiSpeaks.com
posted August 8, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Since women’s lib, American females have tried to re-write biological imperatives, and done themselves no favors with “no-fault” divorce laws.
I’m sorry, am I understanding you correctly… do you believe that prior to “women’s lib,” women never objected to their spouses cheating on them, and that no-fault divorce was entirely a feminist plot?
We live in a peculiarly morally circumscribed world where a man at midlife having an affair and baby with a healthy younger woman is condemnable.
What is viewed as condemnable is making promises, not keeping them, and hurting others in the process. One must learn to control a lot of biological imperatives in order to be considered civilized, let alone survive as a politician these days.
At least that is true for Democrats. It is interesting to note that vultures are currently circling John Edwards, while very little attention has been paid to the despicable way John McCain — actually his party’s nominee — treated his first wife.
posted August 9, 2008 at 1:01 am
As disappointed as I am to read about this story, I must say this should stay between John and Elizabeth, as it is a private matter and not a news story. As a very private person myself, I can only imagine how mortifying this must be for either one of them.
Secondly, the post by Joe said it best. He asked some very good questions we all should ponder. And as far as geography not being a required subject, well, I can honestly tell you that the last year I had geography was 7th grade, and that was 1977! How’s that for scary? The public school system has been going steadily downhill for some time now and I fear for my children’s future. If I had the means, they’d have gone to private school.
posted August 9, 2008 at 2:46 am
There have been many instances of people getting ill after having an emotional shock. I understand that Elizabeth’s cancer returned a few months after she learnt about the affair. There is a link between our emotions and our well being, and if we are not happy it shows up in the body – it’s not good for us to pretend to be happy for whatever reason. We need to be true to ourselves and happy in our own lives and skins. I have found ‘You can heal your life’ is a good starting point because it shows what emotional imbalance is linked with a certain illness. I also found hypnotherapy with an excellent psychologist helped heal my emotional life, and then feeling physically better came naturally.
posted August 9, 2008 at 4:01 am
What I am reading and hearing, here, is a “female” astrologer with a “bee up her behind” about the sign GEMINI ! So, this isn’t really an astrology report on John Edwards, as so much as, a vain and desperate character assassination attempt on Edwards by Lynn Hayes ?
First of all, I’m Canadian, so whatever happen with your (U.S.) politicians is really none of my business. But as far as “Gemini” politicians go, it would be a grave mistake to stereotype ALL Gemini politicians as having no integrity.
I would happen to guess that, amongst ALL the 12 sun signs, some people will undoubtedly have integrity and others may not? Meanwhile, why pick on Gemini? What about other U.S. politicians who also fooled around and were lauded by the media (John F. Kennedy, as one example) but also, what about the Gemini’s who didn’t fool around and remained loyal to their wives (i.e. Henry Kissinger, former Canadian Prime Minister’s Joe Clark and John Turner, and, last but not least, former U.S. President George Double-ya Bush Senior ?)
Another thing is, your article seemed highly biased against not only Gemini’s but MEN in general ? I don’t know John Edwards from Adam, but I’m sure we can emphasize with the fact that a man who’s wife is dying with Cancer isn’t going to have sex, very often, (or at all?) and while his choice of having an affair showed poor judgement, maybe we should empathize with the fact that John Edwards was trapped in a loveless marriage and probably didn’t get laid in a while ?
Meanwhile, since Edwards has since resigned as candidate for U.S. president, how does his personal life effect you or any other American ? I think the media is making a “big deal” about John Edward’s affair with a ugly-looking female, for nothing ?
Finally, there’s never been any known astrological study or research project in the last 100 years, showing a causal, scientific link (and using the acedemically accepted “scientific method”) between Sun in Gemini and criminality !
I dare any professional astrologer to show me such a study, because there isn’t any !
In other words, the link between Gemini and criminality is a dangerous, stereotypical remark, much like saying that “all Mexicans come to the U.S.A. to steal our Americans jobs), or “don’t vote for Barack Obama b/c his name sounds Islamic, or his wife is a “terrorist” ?
posted August 9, 2008 at 5:10 am
Wow! Your anger sounds like something in the article has really resonated with your inner core!
posted August 9, 2008 at 6:13 am
Sure there’s been no study linking Gemini to criminality as such but we’re allowed to make a few generalization from observable facts or astrologers and astrology couldn’t work. For a start writing ( and I cite merely at random from memory because I know more names could be given) on criminality like the Marquis de Sade or the writing of detective novels or thrillers like Dorothy Sayers, Ian Fleming, even the author of Sherlock Holmes is linked to Gemini. Unlike the Marquis these Geminis weren’t criminal but they understood the dark side and the working of sociopaths. The reason that Gemini can make such good criminals if they choose to go that direction (and actually I seem to recall some study did find that prisoners in for break and enter did show a high Gemini rating – Gemini/Mercury sign of the thief by tradition) is because they are both clever and able to dissociate themselves more easily than some people from the feeling function. People’s sufferings don’t count so much with them. They are more locked into ideas and schemes
posted August 9, 2008 at 7:41 am
Wow, I woke up to quite a fiery discussion. You can tell that Mars is opposing Uranus now, and tempers are hot. Let me tackle this one first from my friend Mariannae: I must say this should stay between John and Elizabeth, as it is a private matter and not a news story.
I respectfully disagree with you here. This is a news story because John Edwards has been running for President and could arguably continue his political career, leaving his ethics as a topic open for discussion. For me the fact that Edwards terminated the scholarship program after his candidacy failed was a bigger issue than the affair, frankly. Where is his commitment to the poor that he passionately embraced while he was running? Regarding the affair, I am most interested in the whole Andrew Young element. Who really is the father of the child? If it truly is Andrew Young, why did he move his entire family from Chapel Hill to California to be with Hunter? If it truly is John Edwards, how could he have asked his friend Andrew Young to take this on? I am very curoius to know what all is going on here.
posted August 9, 2008 at 7:46 am
There is a positive and a negative side to all of the astrological signs and symbols, just as to all things in life. Gemini is facile and flexible, but also brilliant, curious and inventive. We can all fall to the dark side, so let’s be careful about accusations.
posted August 9, 2008 at 8:04 am
I’ve been watching Edwards for a long time. I saw his interview with Cheney. He comes off as very lightweight and superficial. Ma.ny Geminis I’ve known have also been very superficial. Such as Edwards referring to himself “I want to be more than a Ken doll.”– a pretty face. He is quite vain about his appearance. Not very serious.
posted August 9, 2008 at 11:38 am
Astrological musings is a wonderful forum for astrological and spiritual information and debate in a loving and supportive forum, because we are all brothers and sisters, now and throughout eternity.
posted August 9, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I agree with Joe and Marianne. The Edwards story is a delicious, distracting morsel of gossip, but there are more pressing issues at hand. I have noticed that when there is something that this administration should be embarrassed about, like the revelation about the alleged forged letter linking Mohammed Atta to Iraq described in Ron Suskind’s new book, we’re treated to a sexy hot button discovery, like that of Edwards or, as Joe mentioned, Chandra Levy earlier. I also wondered what was really happening when former Gov. Spitzer was “exposed”.
So, what is it this time? All those American planes and warships in the Strait of Hormuz maybe? Or aren’t we forgetting the oil companies’ record profits fast enough? Whenever something like the Edwards story breaks, look deep in the compost barrel. There’s a lot of worms in there.
This doesn’t mean I didn’t thoroughly enjoy Lynn’s article. I like all of them because they are some of the most insightful astrological posts you will find anywhere, and I always learn something new.
posted August 9, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I am very curoius to know what all is going on here.
Yes. You’ve made that quite clear. But how is this baby’s parentage anyone’s business outside of the parents and any affected families?
Unless you believe that condom use and/or efficacy is something we should be basing votes on, which would be pretty weird, who actually fathered this child is simply no one’s business. Honestly, your post and some of these comments read like an unsavory combination of schadenfreude and sheer nosiness.
Consider Elizabeth Edwards’ own wishes: “The toll on our family of news helicopters over our house and reporters in our driveway is yet unknown. But now the truth is out, and the repair work that began in 2006 will continue. I ask that the public, who expressed concern about the harm John’s conduct has done to us, think also about the real harm that the present voyeurism does and give me and my family the privacy we need at this time.”
posted August 9, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Honestly, your post and some of these comments read like an unsavory combination of schadenfreude and sheer nosiness.
I admit to nosiness, and also to a certain amount of schadenfreude. I find astrological profiles of people in the news to be one of the best ways to share the way astrology works with the lay public, and I confess to a curious nature which seeks to know the truth behind mysterious behavior. However, i certainly don’t want to come across as being gleeful at anyone’s misfortune, least of all Elizabeth Edwards, and I’m going to go through the post and see where I can eliminate some of that impression.
posted August 9, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Lynn, you’ve never come across as gleeful of anyone’s misfortune…in the John Edwards article or in any other that I’ve read. The article is fine as is.
posted August 9, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Excuse me, but live by the sword, die by the sword.
John and Elizabeth Edwards have made lives in the public arena and owe not only their very public careers but personal fortunes to it. Elizabeth might have been First Lady.
They have thrust their public personas into our faces and we have every right to peer behind the carefully-constructed masks. We have every right to know when something as important as a possible out-of-wedlock child enters the picture. Hypocrisy always makes for good headlines.
Frankly, we have a right to know what they had for dinner! To a large degree, public people become public property.
And it may well be that this story is prologue to the publishing of other major candidates’ similar “family” foibles. I do think that more should have been made of how McCain treated his first wife. That alone should disqualify him from any position of trust.
As to Lynn apologizing or retracting….Why???? This is her website and the astrologer has every right to be as honest and edgy as she sees fit. To put “a spin” on a topic, to use a political concept….to satirize, ruminate, tease and provoke. Is anyone paying to view this site?
The whole idea of astrology is to get an in-depth behind-the-scenes look. If it doesn’t suit some people–and who knows what THEIR true motivations be–well, the Internet is a big place, with lots of bloggers and websites. I suggest they find a more comfortable niche, or start their own.
Lynn should be looking to the stars, not always over her shoulder at questionable critics.
posted August 9, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Thank you Dawn and Marianne for your support. But I do feel that I crossed the line from astrological analysis into personal agenda. I do NOT like John Edwards, I always felt he was a phony, and I took some pleasure in his exposure. Which I felt was not the correct way to approach this article. I will never back down from something I believe just because I’m criticized here, but I do want to stay clear of the line when it comes to trashing someone and using astrology to do it.
posted August 9, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Now it’s time for all good liberals to “think about the children,” specifically John Edwards’ newest baby girl…John, John!!! It’s not about you….it’s about the child! This child needs food, clothing, shelter, medical care, education, a father figure (try hard on this one, John), and a moral compass (might want to pass on this one, John).
I have only two words of advice for Rielle Hunter: “Gloria Allred”. You need a shark with a heart. She will help you, just google her.
Hmmmm……so John Edwards thinks he’s off the hook!!! I’ll bet half of his interview on Nightline was a lie. You know darn well that he had sex with Rielle Hunter the last time in Beverly Hills…and, now he’s lying about holding up his new baby girl in the National Enquirer photo… On Nightline, Edwards said that he has “no idea” where the photo came from or who is in it. Is this idiot for real? This guy is just a pathological liar!!! It’s so rare to see one on tape! John Edwards doesn’t have to agree to a paternity test….the child support judge is going to demand it. Get busy!!
Now, for all you John Edwards supporters who are let down…what in the hell were you thinking? Couldn’t you spot this phony the second you saw him? I did. Edwards made his money suing doctors!!!!! He is a professional liar….just like Obama!!! You’re all smucks!!!
Obviously Obama knew about the allegations against Edwards for a long time. If Obama didn’t, then he’s a dope! So, right up until Friday, Edwards was still on the short list for VP.
Yes, this whole “affair” shows that Obama is stupid and needs vetting team (not sleaze hiders) for the VP spot! Now, let’s show that Obama knew about the affair and still wanted Edwards.
posted August 9, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Hi Lynn,
I just took a while to read your post on Edwards and then all the comments. Whew! You have material here for a book. Your article is insightful, interesting, and brave. Brave, only in view of some of the weird angry comments posted in response. And again, I am delighted to see that you have not only”dumbed down” your open and meaningful blog before becoming “famous”by moving over to Beliefnet, if anything, you are becoming even more yourself.
As that guy says to the student contestants on, “Project Runway,” when he goes around to the various designers before the big contest, “Carry on! Make it Work! See you on the runway!”
posted August 9, 2008 at 9:11 pm
“He is a professional liar….just like Obama!!! You’re all smucks!!!”
All politicians are professional liars. I don’t think this is news to anyone.
posted August 10, 2008 at 2:44 am
Hi Lynn,
I have enjoyed your blog since you first started blogging. I don’t always agree with you, but frequently I do. You are professional, and your wisdom and insight are always interesting. This is your blog! You have a right to express your opinions and views about anyone and anything, particularly people in public life. Reading blogs is like watching television; if you don’t like the program, change the channel! There is no reason for you to defend your integrity. If people don’t like your content, they are free to leave.
Keep up the good work. And don’t change anything.
Marianne
(The other Marianne)
posted August 10, 2008 at 7:02 am
Article in teh Huffington Post about the criminal record:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/breaking-andrew-youngs-cr_b_117966.html
posted August 10, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I don’t claim to know Elizabeth Edwards personally, but she was at my home for a fundraiser in the summer of 2007 and I had a chance to speak with her for quite a while. This woman is no martyr. Her reasons for wanting him to do this campaign may be a mystery and baffling in the naivete that this affair would not be found out, but believe me, this is no long-suffering betrayed wife.
Lynn, I would be interested in your thoughts on Rielle Hunter, especially in light of this Newsweek.com article indicating that she at least fancies herself to be an astrologer, and in light of your column about astrologer ethics. Given that this dame has pitched an idea for a TV show about women who help men out of failing marriages by having affairs with them, and her penchant for doing charts seems to be something she uses to try to help her own little goals along. It seems to me that whatever else she is, she’s exactly what astrologers do NOT need at a time when astrology is starting to gain some respectability.
John Edwards may be a hypocritical scumbag, but Rielle Hunter is a piece of work in her own right.
posted August 10, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I think trashing someone and using astrology to do it is OK so long as the astrology is correct. Since this blog has moved homes, the noise in the comments has increased, I advise less biting of the bait. Onward and upward, madam Hayes!
posted August 10, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Jill, thanks for posting this link, I hadn’t seen this about Rielle Hunter and the astrology connection. Then I noticed Elsa posted it on her blog. There are astrologers, who serve as consultants to clients, and then there are people who dabble and explore. This is a great thing, because astrology is an invaluable tool for personal growth. But it can become very tempting to use astrology as a power ploy to pretend that we know more than anyone else does about the world and I suspect this is the case about Rielle Hunter. There is other gossip on the web that Hunter was a model for a slutty party girl in one of his books. This doesn’t seem like a very smart choice for Edwards to have made.
posted August 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I think trashing someone and using astrology to do it is OK so long as the astrology is correct. Anon, I have to disagree here. Using astrology to support one’s negative (or positive, really) opinion about someone doesn’t really do a service to that person or to the astrology students and fans who read this blog. We’ve discussed this as it relates to Obama – astrologers everywhere see exactly what they want in Obama’s chart. Does this mean astrology is inaccurate? No – but we know so little about public personalities that we have to use our own opinions and intuitions to formulate astrological interpretations. I do feel a little proud, though, that I read John Edwards correctly. And it’s not because I have a thing against Geminis – I have Gemini rising myself! Anon, good point about refraining from taking the bait. I suppose, although I don’t have traffic stats yet, that we are getting more traffic at Beliefnet and hence the increase in comments. As a Libra I hate conflict, and I really want everyone to all get along.
posted August 10, 2008 at 4:42 pm
So when can we expect a profile on Reille, Lynn? LOL ;p
posted August 10, 2008 at 6:05 pm
“Out of respect to the Edwards family and in response to the comments of my thoughtful readers, I have edited this post.”
Ah Lynn, editing for purposes of “thoughtful” readers is the road to madness.
You can’t please everybody.
Write your column, Darlin’, there are enough of us who love your work to offset those that would have you blackout your column like a declassified CIA report.
posted August 10, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Jill, with all due deference to the fact that Elizabeth Edwards was apparently at your home for a fundraiser and you got to talk with her for a good while, I will stand by my comment that Elizabeth Edwards SEEMS like a martyr. She is not half the tough cookie Hillary Clinton is, and most people now see HRC—all anti-Tammy Wynette protestations to the contrary–as the quintessential long-suffering betrayed wife.
Moreover, Elizabeth is a Cancer sun sign (look at that moon face), an extremely sensitive water sign with a tough outer shell. Cancerians are nurturers…nurturers of other people, and nurturers of hurts and grievances. Their psychological “claws” never let anything go. And, as another reader pointed out, illnesses like cancer can be triggered and aggravated by emotional wounding. Hurt, I might add, that cannot be sloughed off.
But once again, I am MOST disappointed that she did not seek out alternative treatments, but PASSIVELY relied on traditional medicine and its orthodox mutilation and death sentence. And I grew up around conventional medicine, as my father was a doctor.
posted August 11, 2008 at 2:54 am
Oh Jill, I just read that piece earlier tonight and I’m boggled by it. I have many opinions re Edwards, but I think I’m risking carpal tunnel by posting so much these past few days! I just cannot seem to express my disdain enough. Like you, Lynn, I also did not trust this guy. He rang so false to me and I could not believe people were buying his shtik. I sensed a lot of entitlement and hostility in his demeanor as well. Equally bizarre was his seemingly indifference and coldness towards his wife. Anyone else notice the weird body language between them? It was as if he resented having her around. I never witnessed any warmth or affection towards her even as everyone inquired about her health. Now I don’t know what to read into all that. Maybe he is completely out of love with her OR maybe he is so mired in self-hatred and guilt that he cannot rest comfortably in her presence. Who knows? What I do know is I have neither liked nor trusted this guy since the moment he entered the race. I’m not calling myself some genius; I just felt it was so evident this guy was doing a song and dance number to gratify his ego. But I am very grateful that most Americans also sensed a reason to not support him. Personally I’m sorry I missed your original post. I kept waiting for you to send my regular newsletter. I didn’t know I had to re-sign for it.
I’m so mad that I’ve missed so much! Gotta catch up.
posted August 11, 2008 at 3:48 am
I am MOST disappointed that she did not seek out alternative treatments, but PASSIVELY relied on traditional medicine and its orthodox mutilation and death sentence
Dawn, you know I usually agree with you on the subject of medicine, but I have to say that when faced with a cancerous tumor I believe that surgery and radiation must be done. I’m believe that I would avoid chemotherapy, but once the tumor is there i would want it removed. I have a dear friend who contracted breast cancer and went the alternative route only – the tumor did not shrink and the prognosis is bad.
As a Cancer, Elizabeth Edwards is a fierce defender of her family. You may want to go back and read my profile of the Edwards marriage here: http://blog.beliefnet.com/astrologicalmusings/2007/03/study-of-a-marriage-john-and-e.html.
posted August 11, 2008 at 3:51 am
Hi Marie: Personally I’m sorry I missed your original post. I kept waiting for you to send my regular newsletter. I didn’t know I had to re-sign for it I just posted the link to the profiles of the Edwards marriage here in the comments, and that refers back to the original Edwards article. Check it out. When you say you’re waiting for the newsletter, do you mean the Skywatch subscription or the subscription to the blog posts? You have to re-subscribe to the blog posts from the new site (there’s a form on the main page), and if you’re not getting skywatch either go to my website and sign up again or send me an email and I’ll sign you up.
posted August 11, 2008 at 7:22 am
There are MANY different kinds of alternative treatments which vary in efficacy. As with anything, timing is also crucial.
Although enlightening, one person’s experience with one kind of treatment is certainly not dispositive of the whole field: nor should it invalidate all the successful alternative approaches which are being practiced around the world. Unfortunately, in this country some of the proven winners have been bought off or outright suppressed (sometimes to the detriment of their creator’s own vital statistics) by the medical establishment with its slash and burn methodologies for which cancer and other chronic diseases are mega cash cows.
If cancer were “cured” I daresay our economy would be in an even worse tailspin.
One thing’s for sure: Elizabeth Edwards’ prognosis is grim.
posted August 11, 2008 at 8:20 am
One aspect to this whole thing that isn’t getting any play (and if we can’t talk about it on BeliefNet, where can we?) is how when politicians have affairs, cover them up, and then get caught and go through this little ballet of self-loathing, it always seems to be men who profess strong Christian beliefs. I don’t know if more secular men are just better at choosing partners who will quietly go away, or if there is something to the Christian male, particularly the Southern Christian male, that makes them a) more susceptible and b) dumber about their choices.
The thing that’s always bothered me about the way Republican politicians have handled their peccadillos is that they always use the “Jesus died for my sins/Jesus has forgiven me” model, and this sort of makes it all OK. And perhaps their defiance is why guys like David Vitter and Larry Craig are able to weather sex scandals. Or maybe it’s the IOKIYAR Rule (“It’s OK If You’re a Republican”).
But when you adhere to a religion that’s based on faith, not deeds, there’s a kind of “Get out of jail free” card that’s inherent in this system that allows these men to bypass the kind of decision-making that most of us whose heads are in the right place do when we ourselves are at that fork in the road. Add to it the kind of neediness for attention and narcissism that makes one go into politics in the first place, and there you are.
At least in Roman Catholicism, there is the ritual of confession and absolution. Those of us who have Catholic friends (or who have read Frank McCourt’s books *grin*) know of the humiliation of confession. But I think there’s something to it, in that there is a structure built into it for having to go through the embarrassment of acknowledging one’s sins and having to do penance. When absolution is automatic because a guy got nailed to a cross 2000 years ago, there’s less incentive to make the right choice at those forks in the road.
posted August 11, 2008 at 11:04 am
I don’t know if more secular men are just better at choosing partners who will quietly go away, or if there is something to the Christian male, particularly the Southern Christian male, that makes them a) more susceptible and b) dumber about their choices.
Most likely, Jill, it has to do with what is known in some circles as “compulsory heterosexuality.” To that, I would add the general expectation (Christian and others) that a man will marry a woman, have children by her and be faithful and exclusive to her, “forsaking all others.”
Obviously, it’s not working, or there wouldn’t be so many men, Republicans or Democrats or what-have-you, fooling around. You would not believe how many men I know are sneaking around on their wives. Most of them are having affairs with other men, although there’s plenty of married “Christian” men fooling around with women not married to them.
Again, the model is not working. But try convincing Christian conservatives of this! They stick their fingers in their ears and scream “I can’t hear you! LALALALALALA!”
posted August 11, 2008 at 11:39 am
Jil, it’s hard to get dumber about choices than Bill Clinton and Monica. To me this has more to do with men’s egos (I’m sure women do it, but men do it more) than any kind of religious thing although the more consevative religions are more repressed typicallly. Of course this is why in Islam a man can take up to four wives. As you become more successful you can take on the trophy wife, but she has to live with the others. Not ideal for the women, but I guess it preserves the sanctity of marriage. Everyone commented on the fact that Mrs. Edwards looked so much older than her husband and evidently the fact was not lost on Mr. Edwards either.
posted August 11, 2008 at 2:39 pm
You know what, people, we’re looking at the wrong John. Whatever happened to John McCain’s first wife?
Dang, this site won’t let me use hypertext, so I have to post the full link.
http://www.skeeterbitesreport.com/2008/08/media-go-wild-over-edwards-infidelities.html
Maybe you should do a similar expose on McCain, Lynn, but then I suppose that would only confirm rj’s belief that you hate men.
posted August 11, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Kieron, I just hate hypocrites. It’s too bad McCain’s ex-wife has been so agreeable on this subject, she seemed only too eager to let him go.
Here’s something interesting I found, though: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/07/la_times_questions_mccains_div.html.
In those divorce papers, he said that he had “cohabited” with Carol until January 7, 1980. But he’d been dating Cindy since he met her in April 1979 (when she was 24 and he was 42), which means he wasn’t, in fact, separated from Carol before he took up with Cindy. Not by a long shot.
In fact, when McCain obtained a marriage license to marry Cindy, on March 6, 1980, he was still married to Carol — and would be for nearly a month longer.
Now why is THIS not in the news?
posted August 13, 2008 at 1:05 pm
It’s interesting to note that Rielle Hunter has a Gemini moon and Venus in Taurus as well – very strong attraction between both of them – also she has had Pluto opposite her moon during this time period since they met and it just transited back into opposition position in this last retrograde before it goes into Capricorn for good.
So they are both having similar and intense transits to their natal charts – live changing transists.
Any thoughts on this? thanks!