Election predictions using astrology
Monday September 8, 2008
Madison asked in the comment stream whether astrology could predict the outcome of the elections. If you've been reading this column for awhile you know that it is my belief that we are not meant to predict the future. First...
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A few comments/questions about November 4, 2008 election. Although most polls on the East Coast open around 6 am, they open at 12:01 am EST in Dixville, NH. The moon does not go VOC until 1:47 am EST. In your article, you give 7:01 pm EST as the next aspect; however, a majority of the polls in the country close after that. Granted most of the battleground states are in the eastern time zone but there are a few in the mountain zones. How does this affect a view of the election day chart?
Thanks for this, Lynn. It sure feels like Neptune is influencing the whole she-bang right now! Honestly after reading various astrologers on the election and the candidates, I'm very confused.
Just keep reminding myself that whatever the outcome we still have many hurdles ahead and no matter who is elected Pluto will still be in Capricorn for the next 15 yrs and will be busy transforming the landscape in his inimitable fashion. :-)
Thanks for continuing the politics and astrology posts, Lynn. I know you had reservations about doing too many, but this election seems unprecedented in its importance. We are all moving into global consciousness (the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto imminently in the 10th, 11th and 12th signs), and the impact the American President could have in helping America but the globe is rather profound.
Hear, hear for continuing the political observations, Lynn! They are really fascinating, and I love how beautifully, and coherently you distill the information.
Thanks!
- Beth Owl
Sasha - it's hard to predict what might happen. Many times there is no noticeable effect when the Moon is void of course, but at times there is a vague sense of things not working properly - a break in the plan. Your point is well taken that for the rest of the country the Moon will be back on course before the polls close, so perhaps the bulk of the issues will be on the East coast. But I really see this as being a minor hiccup.
Neith says "Honestly after reading various astrologers on the election and the candidates, I'm very confused." A true sign of Neptune at work!! Here's the thing that I think is important: There's no doubt that the power of the US is on the wane. The next president is going to have to understand how to work WITH other nations, and not just bully them. I just don't think that's McCain OR Palin.
Shane - thanks for your comments. I am trying to inject some spirituality into the politics just to keep myself centered. :)
And Beth OD - thanks as always for your consistently kind comments. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it!! :) :) :) :)
Great article! Have you seen the Visual Astrology Newsletter (Zyntara) for this month by Bernadette Brady? It notes how the Venus cycle is connected to our Presidential elections. I'm always impressed by their fresh take on the sky stories presented in the news! Its a fascinating read.
I'll repeat what I said over at Pisces Chronicles:
I'm starting to think of one possible and plausible reason Palin is in this picture is because the flap over her ethical probes, conflicts of interest, creationism views, pro-gun female, and certainly her daughter's pregnancy are a great big
---> *** OOH, SHINY! ***
distraction from the real issues.
We've fallen into the trap again. America is all a-twitter: here's the latest pseudo-celebrity airhead that the media is fawning over while massive, fraudulent events go on behind our backs.
In the absence of any real political discussion about real issues between the candidates, this is very interesting.
Great analysis, Lynn. Thank you. Holding my breath about the election ... and rooting for Jupiter!
zooming ahead, the Inaugeration chart for Jan. 20, '09, 12 noon EST
in Washington D.C. shows both Sun and Mercury zero degrees in the
sign Aquarius at the M/C which are exactly conjunct Obama's natal
Jupiter zero degrees Aquarius. Hopefully this points to a definite
Win for Obama!!
Is this prediction based Western astrological planetary positions? Or, are they based on Indian Jotish astrology (which are astronomically accurate)? Just curious. I would like to see predictions from both systems to compare.
susannah,
For Jyotish, try this.
Lynn,
I'd like to add to Uranus(change) and Saturn (experience)
Uranus is forward thinking. Saturn is status quo, can look for security through sameness and is often fear based.
We have some positives and negatives of Uranus and Saturn in play:
Obama does Uranus as new, innovative, forward thinking ideas, hopeful change with a thoughtful, reflective, non-impulsive approach (Saturn)
McCain did Uranus through Palin -impulsive change for change sake - without the experience of Saturn, and their words say change, but their policies are Saturn (status quo - same policies as Bush) disguised in a Uranian package (Palin).
Obama chose Biden (Saturn - experience) who supports the forward looking ideas of Obama(Uranus)
Susannah, I practice Western astrology and so do most of the astrologer-commenters although we do from time to time have traditional and Vedic folks drop by.
Susannah,
I was using the Tropical zodiac.
Will try it in the Sidereal.
Here's a comment from another website that I feel needs a wider response.
"Also - though Obama has Aqua on the ascendant, Palin has a radiant Sun/Mars/Saturn stellium in that Uranus ruled sign and thus has far more Uranian energy in her character than Obama."
Sun, Mars, Saturn stellium is "radiant?"
Tough, cruel, harsh, possibly toward oneself as well as others, cautious, hard working, ambitious, and that's not even considering the problematic and undermining Neptune squares to that stellium. This is a very masculine chart regardless, ironic given the PR extravaganza currently being orchestrated by the McCain campaign.
"That's FIVE planets in Uranus ruled Aquarius..."
And Uranus is conjunct Pluto - an extremist and a radical to boot, as is currently coming to light.
"Her Sun/Mars/Saturn is nearly on the US Moon."
Depends on which US chart. In the Gemini rising chart, Obama's Ascendant forms an exact conjunction to the US Moon.
"...she's making a charismatic (Sun) connection to the American psyche (Moon) a mere 60 days before the election.
What she's making a connection to is hardly the entire nation, but the GOP base and the right. She's been shielded from the media and the vast majority of the American public to whom she is largely an unknown. The media across the political spectrum has been reporting in the last few days that Palin opposes abortion even in the case of rape or incest. Some of her religious views are coming to light which are out of the mainstream. She fired her home town librarian who opposed the banning of books. Palin has had no interviews with the press. Her appearances are being carefully controlled in order to present her as a small town "hockey mom" image, which is commensurate with the Neptune Sun transit and also the Saturn transit to her Pluto.
But Saturn "refines things to their absolute worth and dispenses with false credentials." If one is honest, then Saturn rewards us. But if one is not, then Saturn strips the mask away. Transiting Saturn opposes the GOP Neptune, and conjoins McCain's Neptune starting in October. We will soon see how the "twin mavericks" will be doing in a month from now?
"Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor."
Helena
Hello there,I just wanted to say that"I agree with what you are saying about not trying to predict our future.I believe that the way you live out your life will, not predict, but indeed show you , as
you go along your merry way,your future!
Helena, Jesus was also a rebel (a maverick) going against the system and Pontius Pilate washed his hands from condemning Jesus; it was the people who voted to release Barabbus instead of Jesus! There are always more than one way of looking at things! But now we're getting off the subject of astrology which is why I am here.
Note: This commenter is not Lynn Hayes.
This doesn't point out the Obama (change) picked Biden (experience), so the Uranus/Saturn opposition is represented with that ticket....NOT McCain and Palin. Palin doesn't really represent change, she represents a wild card pick, but further study of her record clearly shows she is more like Bush than not.
The scary thing about Palin is her natal mars squares neptune AND transiting neptune is conjuncting her natal mars. This means we don't know what actions she is hiding from the public and what will be revealed to us in the coming weeks. I think she is going to be like "Jurassic Park"...at first everyone will react to her with "oohhhs" and "aahhs" and then before long, we will be running for ours lives.
About that Neptune on Palin's Mars & Sun - Anyone notice how since the Rep convention the talk in the media has been about both Palin's and McCain's Lie? Neptune rules deception and fortunately for the country there are alot of people out there who can see through Neptune's fog and the truth will come out.
According to the article in the New York Times By John M.Brodor Obama's formal nomination was secured at 6:48PM local time on 08/27/08.
This occurs during a void of course Moon.Some give a time of 4:47 but to me it doesn't feel right, a bit to early.This is just a feeling in my gut. I do have a Sun/Neptune conjunction, eh ? I have to listen to my inner compass and internal guidance system. We all know the history of the Presidential nomination during the void of course Moon ? The most recent history was 2000 Al Gore and 2004 John Kerry both were nominated during the void of course Moon.The Palin bounce has crushed Obama's lead in many polls especially with white women and senior citizens voters.Have to hand it to the Republicans as they always come prepared for a knife fight in the alley, and the Democrats want to sing Cubaya. I don't get it ?
www.truthout.org/article/Obama-is-nominated-acclamation
Lynn, hi!
Predictions do abound. However I feel that the covert activity of the religious right supporting Palin has made this an election of Palin verses Obama, not Mccain vs Obama...(or Palin verses the people, and our democratic way of life).
Could you possibly comment on this?
Thanks Sherry
I feel that the covert activity of the religious right supporting Palin has made this an election of Palin verses Obama, not Mccain vs Obama...(or Palin verses the people, and our democratic way of life).
Hi - and sorry all for not being involved in the discussion. I'm actually out of town right now. But regarding Palin - remember she came out just as Pluto (in Sagittarius) and Jupiter (ruler of Sagittarius) stationed and changed direction and their influence was powerful. Sagittarius and Jupiter are all about things that are bigger than life. There was a brief moment of celebrity that surrounded Sarah Palin, but the bloom seems to be off the rose: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/race-for-whitehouse/democrats-eat-into-mccains-lead-as-palins-halo-starts-to-slip-932001.html
And I think it's Palin who has made this election about Palin versus Obama and not McCain. Her ambition is frighteningly obvious, and she has not made her desire to be president a secret.
Well, this is the week of saturn transiting over Palin's pluto, and what a week it's been! Troopergate subpoenas and attempted coverup, hackers into her email. conservative jounalists coming out against her, and more. Not pretty.
Several weeks ago the comments were speculative of what the neptune influence, both natal and by transit is about in her chart. All the lying, and it goes on and on, almost seems pathological. The transit appears to be bringing out a character defect.
Obama should be 10 points ahead but he is just 3 to 6 points ahead. Something happens here. The Bradley effect, the Hillary supporters and the Clinton saboutage will put McCain-Palin in the white house for a slim margin of electoral votes. A woman is set to be in power according to astrology.
Uranus Opposition Saturn on Election day - Uranus which I think is McCain because he always call himself a "maverick' and that word is ruled by uranus - and that degree on election day 18 Pisces - is the degree of 'catasphrope' (Janduz) so really Obama is Saturn.
I noticed that Palin's Neptune is in her birth sign, Aquarius on November 4... meaning dreams coming true, or a once in a lifetime opportunity. Neptune is retrograde, and the last time that occurred was in Nov. 2006 when Palin became Gov. of Alaska.
In addition, I believe the moon will be in Aquarius in the Western part of the U.S. around the time the polls close.
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