From Noel Tyls website people are reporting its 9:43 Pm
http://www.mauricefernandez.com/forum_eng/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10561

Hi, Lynn! Eric Francis is reporting her birth time as 4:40 pm, in Sandpoint, Idaho, Feb. 11, 1964. He states his source is the Starlight News, which he says he’s in the process of verifying. But he feels that it’s trustworthy because, with that time, the chart adds up.
Blessings,
- Beth

Eric Francis is using 16:40/4:40 pm. That looks an awful lot like a good choice.
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['Although Venus isn't in a close trine to the ascendent which I expect it would be.']

This 4:40 time came from Sally at Astroworld who got it from astrologer Claudia Dikinis who got it from an AFAN newsletter.

Leo rising may be correct because her husband was born September 1964 and if he was born mid-month or later, he would have both Venus and Mars in Leo. I’m leaning towards him being a Libra too.

Following up on DD’s comment on previous post about secession and the continuing revelation theme, one of my wonderfully on-the-ball readers sent me this link to the story
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014513.php
The article is interesting but in the 80+ comments it spawned I like this one best:
Senator McCain, if being a secessionist when a candidate first seeks public office, and continuing to encourage the secessionist party as governor, is not a disqualification for the vice presidency: what WOULD be?
I’m leaving this topic alone now but I thought your readers may enjoy reading it (and the comments), however if this is her birthtime then ruler of 10th conjoined to Saturn in 1st could well suggest a career cut short – although in this time of a major opposition (SA/UR, her rulers )where everything seems split or dual, including opinion, votes, her beliefs/words etc, I guess it could equally mean a very hardnosed (ruthless even), hardworking career woman!
Thanks for tracking this Lynn. Enjoying it.
Kathryn

Lynn, my noon chart shows Palin to have GEMINI rising with the north node in Cancer at 10 degrees cancer, also in the first house. Since I have a yackety gemini moon and kind of know what that’s like, then this sort of makes sense to me.
[The 7:06 shows 21 degrees 43 seconds rising of aquarius, and the 4:40 p.m. shows to be 19 degrees w/Leo rising.]
Am I missing something here ?

I have a hunch that the stationary Pluto is really having something to say about this pick’s connections to the religious right and heralding some coming changes between religious movements and politics. I have a feeling that Palin and McCain are carrying this issue to a crescendo. Remember how McCain felt great disdain for the religious right? Could his disowning of these feelings have surfaced and influenced his snap judgment?

If 4:40 p is correct, then the AQ moon in the 6th, quincunx Uranus (Virgo) in the 1st would make this an atypical Aquarius Moon – much more Virgo like.
Regardless, Sarah I sense is due for a strong wake up call as Saturn transit’s through her 2nd house, conjoin Pluto, opposing Chiron in this current retrograde cycle, while Neptune continues to work its delusional magic on that 7th house Stellium group in Aquarius. Neptune also comes close in opposition to her 19 Leo rising when it nears station direct beginning in late October .
Also, the current Mercury Retrograde will oppose her 9th house Jupiter in Aries on Sept 11, Oct 4 and Oct 26. Ought to make for some very interesting revelations.
As an aside, I dated someone with almost the same birthdate (3 days later). Saturn/Mars/Sun was a very challenging combination for her, which she tried to disguise with a pasted on smile (sort of the look Sarah has shown the media).
Curious Lynn how you see the above dynamics playing out for Sarah?

Much to my complete consternation I find that Sarah Palin was born exactly one week before me.
Speculations of a Leo rising make sense to me based on her hair alone. Yes I know very scientific. I’m wondering if I’m actually a conservative reactionary incognito?!! I’ve had it up to *here* with Neptune–frankly. She’s had a Jupiter Trine Pluto transit, that seems to have ‘come good’ (on a mundane level). Nothing particularly mundane though, about what’s happening to her.

my noon chart shows Palin to have GEMINI rising with the north node in Cancer at 10 degrees cancer,
Reagen, I put the Sun on the ascendant to make it a solar chart. I find that a noon or sunrise chart does not provide us with an accurate ascendant or midheaven.

Remember how McCain felt great disdain for the religious right? Could his disowning of these feelings have surfaced and influenced his snap judgment?
DD, McCain has shown that he will say whatever it takes to get elected. He spoke strongly against Bush’s policies until he wanted Bush’s support, and then suddenly he was all for them. He has made flip flopping into a new art form.

The north node in Cancer is interesting in any case, suggesting that being a professional would come more easily than being a mother, while making motherhood compelling even so.

Joseph said:
“As an aside, I dated someone with almost the same birthdate (3 days later). Saturn/Mars/Sun was a very challenging combination for her…”
Would someone please explain what about this combo makes it challenging, in what area of the life it effects, etc. I ask because I have the same Saturn/Mars/Sun in Aquarius. Thanks.

Marianne asks
“Would someone please explain what about this combo makes it challenging, in what area of the life it effects, etc. I ask because I have the same Saturn/Mars/Sun in Aquarius.”
Saturn and Mars are not an easy combination. Think of the old and new warrior, each with a very different perspective/agenda of how to run energy. Saturn can be viewed as the “heavy” of a chart, however, Saturn represents form/structure. By contrast, Mars looks to upgrade that structure into something more up-to-date. While this combination can be challenging in transit, as natal aspect it’s always on the front burner. Throw the Sun in for good measure (think of fuel) and there is a lot of pent up energy looking for a dispersal or expression point.
I sense in your case there are genetic or family themes fleshed out by this trio around issues of personal freedom vs responsibility. The house position of this stellium (grouping) as well as other aspects making geometric angles (opposition/square etc.) will have a lot to say about how you navigate this tricky ground.
Specific to Sarah Palin (if the 4:40 p birth time is correct), this trio resides in her 7th house of relationship with the Sun squaring Neptune (Scorpio) in the 4th. Aquarius is quite detached, individuated and marches to the beat of a different drummer. I suspect Sarah is faced with constant questions about her timing/needs versus everyone else’s timing/needs. Having significant Aries aspects further reinforces this life theme/question. Yet, in reality, Sarah seems to have sacrificed her needs for others in the family. The Neptune square in the 4th house of family/home can make her perception of her needs quite delusional. Hence, she probably has a hidden or suppressed anger streak masked over by a smile (Chiron in the 8th opposing Uranus/Pluto) unless she has found an outlet to channel the pent up deeper desires for freedom and individuation into something productive.
Back to you, if you haven’t already done so, I think it’s important to create a clear strategy for how to channel this potent trio, making sure it serves the highest intention of your Rising Sign. If you require further clarification here, I encourage you to seek the services of a competent astrologer, such as Lynn, who can help you plot out that strategy. Astrology is a wonderful tool when used to create direction, intention and healing; not so wonderful when used predictively.

Thanks very much, Joseph. You hit the nail on the head for me with the 3rd paragraph!
Just in case you’re wondering, they’re in the 6th house.

4:40 pm time gives a part of fortune 2 degrees of leo in the 12th opposite 2 mercury in the 6th. The sabian symbol for 2 leo is an epidemic of mumps, something contagious that is racing thru the populace. 2 of aquarious is an unexpected thunderstorm, something coming out of the blue.

Thanks Joseph, and very good analysis. Saturn conjunct Mars can also cause a person to always feel that their desires are blocked, and with the Sun there those desires can be particularly strong.
New rumors today coming out of the National Enquirer about an affair between Palin and her husband’s business partner. This gets better and better!

I do wonder when is her birth time. Watching her on tv I was feeling capricorn energy. If her moon is in capricorn, that would make sense. Her husband looks like a Cancer. So that would make a lot of sense then, with the attraction between Capricorn and Cancer.
Tanya

I have analyzed Sarah Palin’s birth chart first with a midnight time and later with the 4:40pm time. Since then I have heard that according to her county records it might be 9:48 but I do not know if that is am or pm.
Since I do not know a lot about Palin’s background other than the soundbites I hear, I am not sure if 4:40p is the correct time or not but would appreciate any more information on the subject. My analysis is located at http://www.TheStarryEye.typepad.com
PS – the shape of her chart, regardless of her time of birth, says it all to me. It is a locamotive shape.

I am wondering about the significance of the North Node Cancer/South Node Capricorn axis
I’ve read that until we have integrated both polarities we can pull in the negative of the opposite sign.
For Sarah Palin it would be the negative aspects of Capricorn.
Input anyone?

Dear Lynn — There needs to be a correction on the reporting of Sarah Palin’s birth data. I’m not a friend of Sarah Palin’s, nor would I ever be. I’m a friend friend of Sally McDonald’s at Astroworld. I gave Sally the information via Margie Herskovitz which I received from Karen McCauley via email. I later received word from an AFAN email confirming a BC:
“Astrologer Gregg DeLaCastro reports Sarah Palin’s birth information as
AA: Quoted BC/BR
February 11, 1964
4:40 PM
Sandpoint, Idaho”
Please make sure that my name is not linked personally with that of the Governor of Alaska.
Claudia Dikinis
http://starcats.com

So grateful for these postings on Palin and the sharing comments.
Just last night my sister in law said…so what’s the astrological buzz on Palin? and this is a perfect link to send her to. And I appreciate that you have an easy way to email the exact posting!

I am a reader, also, and decided to do a chart with Sarah’s sun on her ascendant, which would have her birth time at 8:05AM, just for the sake of argument. She is obviously reincarnated, so her purpose here on earth has a reason. Neptune in Scorpio,,,,she can see through deceit in a heartbeat. Intercepted first and seventh,,wow,,,, Jupiter in Aries, with Uranus getting ready to move in. She would squash any war that would threaten the USA. Sun, Mars and Saturn conjunction would mean she would rule with an iron first, stand up to corruption and would take her responsibilites seriously. Mercury in Aquarius,,,she is brilliant. South node in Cancer would suggest motherhood holds her back. North node in Capricorn would suggest that she is disciplined and focused on her work. I don’t witness any oppostions in her chart, although I dont know her time of birth, therefore I don’t know where her moon sits. Transiting Saturn will conjunct her natal Uranus which means she will have to fit in to a society which she may not like. Right now Jupiter is trining her natal Uranus

I am a reader, also, and decided to do a chart with Sarah’s sun on her ascendant, which would have her birth time at 8:05AM, just for the sake of argument. She is obviously reincarnated, so her purpose here on earth has a reason. Neptune in Scorpio,,,,she can see through deceit in a heartbeat. Intercepted first and seventh,,wow,,,, Jupiter in Aries, with Uranus getting ready to move in. She would squash any war that would threaten the USA. Sun, Mars and Saturn conjunction would mean she would rule with an iron first, stand up to corruption and would take her responsibilites seriously. Mercury in Aquarius,,,she is brilliant. South node in Cancer would suggest motherhood holds her back. North node in Capricorn would suggest that she is disciplined and focused on her work. I don’t witness any oppostions in her chart, although I dont know her time of birth, therefore I don’t know where her moon sits. Transiting Saturn will conjunct her natal Uranus which means she will have to fit in to a society which she may not like. Right now Jupiter is trining her natal Uranus which means a fortunate change in her career. She may feel restrained by her committments right now. Saturn will be conjuncting her natal Pluto, which means she will be elimating corrupt elements and will be asserting her power. Transiting Jupiter is heading straight towards her natal Sun. Next year she will be larger than life! Transiting Saturn will be opposing her natal Venus soon. She may find that the things she loves are getting in the way of her profession, she will need to be careful of lending money and those that have been she will have considerable social pressure.

Diane,
Correction: Palin’s NN is in Cancer, not the south.

Esteemed Astrologers: any other interpretations possible for the Palin profile posted at 11:55AM?
One example: Quote: “… Sun, Mars and Saturn conjunction would mean she would … stand up to corruption….”
She’s now facing ethics investigations and has a number of links to both indicted Sen. Ted Stevens and jailed lobbyist Abramoff. Looks like there will be more to come.
So does she stand up for corruption, or stand FOR corruption?
Current events suggest the latter.

I have looked at her chart and i noticed right away a complete absence of applying squares, no t squares, no oppositions, just conjunctions, trines and sextiles. Hard angles are generally found in charts of highly driven, and motivated people. sarah palin has been selected, in my view, she is being used by the party elite, to put a fresh face on the party. she can’t even speak her own words. she is a mouthpiece, window dressing. she is being used, and her family is being raked across the coals in the process. she will be yesterday’s news. poor girl. She is a lightweight. Her own party knows it, it’s a cynical political move to try and hide the same old story, same old song and dance. There is no t square in her chart, a sign of struggle, and accomplishment. I believe she is a victim, fresh red meat for the republicans, because they have nothing to be proud of, no accomplishments to recount, they are running from 8 disastrous Bush years. What better way to distract the electorate, an attractive female. How sad.

And squares mean……….? Girl! You mean woman. Your discription sounds biased.

I read one source give Palin’s birthtime as 4:40 P in Sandpoint Idaho
giving her a 20 leo ascendant.
As a lover of animals, I pray the voters of the US will repudiate
her aerial hunting of wolves and bears and their babies,
her bowhunting shooting off of the faces of moose,
her cancellation of wind farms and grants of .5 billion in tax
money to huge oil, and her support of the brutal and illegal wars
in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.
Biden’s north node at 1 Virgo is on his midheaven and is being trined
by Pluto as is Obama’s Pluto Uranus conjunction,
while Neptune will dissolve Palin’s saturn, mars, sun conjunction.
God prevent vote fraud in this election.

SN in Capricorn is a possible indication that Sara had a past life as some sort of authority; NN in Cancer is an indication that she needs to cut a new path toward family, and developing a nurturing aspect of self. This doesn’t mean that she has to be a stay-at-home mom, but perhaps her intentions in the political arena would be protection and security of the country. However, SN is in the house of goals and ideals, while NN is in House of children, theatre, romance, creativity. This is the beauty pageant doll and family mom it seems. I don’t think that Saturn and Pluto conjunction represents standing up to corruption. Saturn conjuncting anything denotes restriction. Pluto, symbolizing power, will be juxtaposed to Saturn’s restrictions and limitations. So there is tension in the self that will be projected out into some area of life depending on the house it’s in. (We don’t know for sure now, so…..) If she makes it, it will be a tough journey because she will have to give up much and focus on the task at hand. Saturn limits this power to bring about maturity (Saturn). Neptune in Scorpio is about standing up to corruption, but it can also be deceptive at the same time. Who is really the corrupt one? Also there is a test of power. Speaking of deception, with Nept transiting over the Sun at 22 Aquarius, there can be deception from others or she will deceive others. We will see who will be forced to take of the mask. If it is Sara, she will be heavily embarrassed at the most inopportune time. Also Neptune T Sun, from my personal experience as a Sun in 23 Aquarius 22, you keep having to choose between your ego (Sun) and Spirit (Neptune); you must choose to go along with ego to win for yourself (but possibly cause self-destruction) or the Higher Way where all must win for the good of all concerned. There is much confusion within the self, and sometimes you can be a bit overidealistic and not realistic enough about your circumstances, and experience confusion on who you are, what you believe, and where you belong in the universe.

Astrologers should be more objective. No one here seems to realize that Sarah Palin’s sun,mars, saturn in close conj. in aquarius give her a tremendous amount of energy and ability to fight. Carolina Morace, the “legend” of Italian women’s soccer was born Feb. 5 1964 – and was the first woman soccer player to become coach of a men’s soccer team (she has been compared to the Pele). Sarah’s Venus and Jupiter in Aries, venus close the 0 Aries degree, give her a positive “follow me and things will be great” energy. Her mercury conj. the moon sextiling her venus lets her speak straight from her heart in the most positive way. With 5 planets in Aquarius she is going to be eccentric and do her own thing. ANd with Saturn in Aquarius the most powerful planet in her chart – she is a tough organizer.
I, personally don’t agree with anything she stands for, but she has just managed to move McCain’s campaing up and beyond Obama’.
Transiting neptune on her stellium, and saturn hitting her uranus and pluto have already brought about some pretty difficult things- a decision to keep her baby son with downe syndrom – according to her beliefs, dealing with her 17 year old daughter– when she preaches abstinence, and now vice presidency – but with Jupiter squaring her Jupiter – it’s all turning out for the better- in her opinion. And we know how important opinions are to Aquarians.
Interestingly enough- Sarah Palin and Michelle Obama share the same nodal axis – cancer/capricorn. Michelle was born January 17,1964. Both have young children. Both will have to sacrifice their personal emotions and time with their children if they end up in the white house. It will be interesting to see how the transits will play out — as both will have jupiter supporting them.
Although leo rising could be good – Sarah’s venus in aries is loud, odd that it would be stuck in the eight house.

Where did you get your astrological skills. You are obviously bias.
Sarah Palin is heading to the top!

….. Not knowing the correct birth time and then focusing on the “Soul’s Intent” at this time using this Solar Chart… I progressed it in my mind with the ephemeres to March 14th, 1964 and equates to her 32nd year of life in 1996 when she became mayor of Wasila and fired most officials for their different opinions. She had run on the platform of “fresh ideas and energy” to replace “stale leadership” and inacted gestapo tactics toward library censorship. The reason this is important at this time is because on March 14th, 1964 was a new moon at 23°Pisces32′ and relates to the full moon on Sept. 15, 2008 at 22° Pisces54′ . This also relates to the 2nd year of life new moon at 23° Aquarius 52′ Mars conjunct Solar Chart Mars and her first progressed full moon at 16 years of age 7° Virgo 57′ not so far from McCain’s natal 6° Virgo 01′ Sun. Now…. Uranus is Palin’s “cutting planet” at 8° Virgo 42′ conjunct Pluto 13° Virgo 27′ and opposing her Chiron 13° Pisces05′ with transiting Mars (Libra) square stationing direct Jupiter at 12° Cap32′. McCain’s cutting planet is also Uranus at 9° Taurus 30′ RX in his 7th house….trine to Palin’s Uranus….but foremost, if you look at McCain’s AstroCartoGraphy and put Uranus on the midheaven it cuts through Alaska and Wasila. Palin’s Moon and Mercury conjunct at 01°Aquarius shows her need to mother all children, inner childs and whatnots…to protect us from ourselves even if it means taking up arms if we try to abort…uh ….from her inner driven ideals that she knows better. That may be too harsh…but that Pisces Chiron suggests hidden issues….even if it is the hidden in the womb ” fetus”. I think we need to discover what the library “issues” were really all about… certain books?….authors?….access to the internet and…and pornography? Ultimately, she has parenting issues of protectionism…protecting us from ourselves and outer worldly catalyst.
Although this page is about Palin… McCain’s astromap puts the descendant Mars line exactly through Tehran, Iran.
I personally think when we are trying to elect officials…to serve us…we should use astrology to see if they have “issues” defined by the Pisces/Virgo psychological axis…and other indicators.

Garth Brooks was also born during this major Aquarian conjunction…just as a note of interest to astrologers.

That chart is incorrect.

Any concern at all that Neptune between now and inauguration day will be in exact conjunction with her Sun and Mars? Could diffuse her message (I hope..). She’s not the neptunian type so I can’t imagine that transit will allow her to be a success. I’ve had Neptune in the 7th (I”m using the 4:40pm time) and during that long time I’ve cultivated a spiritual community. She’s also got her gang of Dominionists which is her big appeal to the evangelical community. They are undoubtedly projecting (neptune) alot onto her Sun and Mars. My gut reaction was that people/the media were behaving like the dudes in the Emperors New Clothes who fawn over the Kings invisible threads. Hence Obama is going on a truth campaign like the little boy who points out that the king is really naked. Even the ladies of The View are getting in McCains face about lying. I’d hate to see what they do to Palin… There is almost everyday on the internet something about a lie she has told. Neptune. She’s also, on election day, going to have a near exact closing square of T mars to N mars. Jupiter is in the same condition on that day. Doesn’t sound like a good time to start something new. It’s a completion and the cylces don’t complete by election day.
Obama on the other hand will be celebrating a Jupiter return just prior to inauguration day with the sun and merc in exact conjunction with his Jupiter and a sextile from the moon to get it all going on that day. Saturn will be just about conjunct to his mars which is something I have natally and that is all about hard work. So you think you want to be president?
Oh there is so much more….

Also on inauguration day, transitting mars will be moving towards a trine to Obama’s natal Mars. His mars return was around his birthday which was just weeks before the convention when excitement was building.
Okay, I don’t have McCain’s chart or Bidens, so I better get busy…

if noon is the birthtime used, the sun would be in the midheaven. This appears to be a sunrise chart even though it says 12 PM.

if noon is the birthtime used, the sun would be in the midheaven. This appears to be a sunrise chart even though it says 12 PM.
I put the sun on the ascendant but calculate the chart for noon. It’s called a “solar” chart.

WOW! I was hoping to read some “interesting” interpretations of Sarah Palin’s natal chart, but I see that partisan politics has the greatest influence in your blog. It’s sad that our country is so divided along these lines, and sadder when we can’t discuss topics in a balanced and logical way. It is up to each human to decide to live on a higher humanitarian way!

you nrrd her birth time, you are not a very reputable astrologer.

Hi there,yes there is a lot of buzz around sarah Palin.I can not see her as a Leo rising as has ben speculated,she would show a much warmer and caring persona,dont feel shooting about 50 Malibus in one day would have turnet her on.The aquarius rising can work,i also agree with the verry early aquarius moon.i also get a strong felling there could be an Aries rising with venus and Jupiter on her ascendant,she has this aries look on her.I can see all her Aquarius planets closer on her 10 and 11 house.If i look at the chart you have shown with 22 scorpion on her midhaeven and neptune presend at 17 degree in scorpion.I would think:watch out! as planet mars moves into scorpion on 10/05/08 and working up to an conjuction with her natal neptun to the end of october,scandels could become unplesand.
O well,we all willl know as time goes on.
With high regards,
Ingrid Schulz

Ingrid, I agree with you about the Aries componentn to Palin’s chart. Remember the chart I’ve posted is with a suspect birthtime, and we can’t really use it seriously until a birthtime has been validated.

I tried 4:40 pm and came up with a cancer ascendant, 6:40 PM would give her a leo ascendant.
I initially thought she had a Scorpio ascendant, but Leo works, it would explain her imperious, dismissive, obfuscatory, “I’ll have to get back to ya on that one” persona.

I’m confused. Wouldn’t a “noon chart” have the SUN at or near the MIDHEAVEN — rather than the ASCENDANT?
The chart posted here appears to be a “sunrise chart”!

Has there been any further confirmation of the 4:40 pm time Lynn? What is this business about it being AA data? I’m not a member of AFAN, so I haven’t seen the newsletter.

Hi Chris – I can’t find any confirmation of that 4:40 pm time, and I have no idea where the AA data came from. Plus I can’t find this any record of this Gregg de la Castro who supposedly was the source of the birth time. So for me, this birth time is decidedly DD (dirty data).

I tried 4:40 pm and came up with a cancer ascendant, 6:40 PM would give her a leo ascendant. I initially thought she had a Scorpio ascendant, but Leo works, it would explain her imperious, dismissive, obfuscatory, “I’ll have to get back to ya on that one” persona.
The 4:40 pm gives a Leo ascendant, Tom, re-check your calculations and confirm the place of birth. We have to be careful trying to guess what ascendant someone is by the way they act – it’s fun, but usually not accurate. Lots of people guessed Obama’s ascendant but I didn’t see anyone who guessed correctly – Aquarius. Including me.
I actually like a 9 am chart which has Aries rising and Jupiter on the ascendant. That also would explain her imperious manner, as you say, and her seemingly fearless push for power.

I’m confused. Wouldn’t a “noon chart” have the SUN at or near the MIDHEAVEN — rather than the ASCENDANT? The chart posted here appears to be a “sunrise chart”!
Solar Max – I use a noon chart so that I can get a likely midpoint for the Moon, and then I place the Sun on the ascendant to get a feel for the solar houses. This is called a “Solar Chart.”

I knew it. She’s a super-Aquarius! After listening to her for 5 seconds I could see that this was an AWESOME mental force. Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars and Saturn in Aquarius, and then possibly Aquarius rising?!
Unreal. She is my new Aquarius archetype. I find that archetypes are people who have an unusual concentration of planets in a sign.
But how HILARIOUS that people tried to paint her as STUPID!!! Only stupid people could be that stupid.
Of course, I’m not a conservative and probably won’t vote for McCain, but I think that Palin is truly extraordinary. It doesn’t take a psychic to know that she’s going to run for Prez in 2012.

Lynn,
I came to a similar conclusion; I suspect Sarah Palin’s birth time is actually about 9:00-9:05 AM. Although I use a system of verification/rectification that is quite, ah, individualistic, er, downright eccentric for sure. However it does seem comforting to know that another person’s instinctive perceptions, from a traditional astrological rationale, are not so different from my own…:)
In short, I use any available drawings, as performed by a subject, as if they were (at least potentially) a subconscious projection of that “artist’s” somehow ‘instinctively known’ horoscope pattern. In essence this could perhaps only work because the concept of horoscope chart/map/*drawing* itself is no more than a projection of collective human artistic expression. The natal chart design is in essence not a “scientific” construction, rather it is a a hybrid projection of our cognition and the unconscious but innately human way of fashioning all things in the world to be somehow in accord with the perceptions of our projecting human psyche. Astrology’s chart then is itself, at base, just a creative drawing with lot rational social conventions applied to it…:)…a creation of our basis Art involved existence as symbol-dependent human beings–spiritually inert astronomy is thus made human, er something to that effect…:)
So, for a comparison, I used the Palin “doodle” which is currently found circulating on the web. Check out this link of mine to see a composite picture of Sarah Palin’s doodle overlayed upon a natal chart erected for 9:05 AM on her birth date:
Sarah’s “doodle”:
http://pedantus.free.fr/Palin_S_01b.gif
Illustration of comparison:
http://pedantus.free.fr/Palin_S_01a.gif
Note how Jupiter is here a ‘box’, and the Sun conjunct Saturn is a black dot, and the doodled cross figure echo’s the position of the chart’s MC. I have developed a kind of rudimentary graphic ‘vocabulary’ of my own while studying astrology as a product of Art (not science) and found some things to seem fairly consistent. This “doodle” does seem to conform to my expectations of an ‘expressive’ drawing…it pairs up well with the chart for 9AM or so.
Thanks,
Rog

Her Aquarius planets square Neptune in Scorpio. Transiting Neptune is on her Sun, reinforcing the Neptunian energy. Am I the only person here who is seeing someone who isn’t who she professes to be? It’s obvious to me that she’s a phoney. Unfortunately, with that Neptunian energy she has going, she does have some people hypnotized into believing she’s the real thing. And Venus in Aries. Please.
She loves herself first.

No one guessed Obama’s ascendant because he wasn’t born in Honolulu, but rather Kenya. Any thoughts?

She is a typical Bad Aquarius…I am a Leo who has unfortunately have dated many Bad Aquariuses and I fight everyday to keep my Aquarius daughter from becoming like this…and if you know Aquariuses, you know that its a fight.
I dont think that astrology books do a good job of describing what a dark Aquarius is truly like its always cute stuff like they are from another planet blah blah blah…So these would be my entries.
ILLOGICALLY STUBBORN (the bull has feelings)
IS NEVER WRONG (Leo cares about what people think about them)
OPPORTUNISTIC FRAUDS (superficial charm to get their way right up there Gemini)
MANIPULATIVE (Cappy has their feet planted firmly in the ground)
VINDICTIVE(Everyone knows that a scorpio is evil, but Aquariuses seem so nice)
ARROGANT (Aries is predictable)
My psycho X Aquarius who didnt believe in astrology gave me important advice about how to keep my Aquarius from being like him: Never give into their crap, do not fall for their tricks and never enable them because they will always believe in their own hype.

bad Aquarius Beka, any astrological sign can go bad. There are positive and negative manifestations to all signs. Often when we end up with the bad characteristics of a sign in a relationship, it’s because something in ourselves is activated. It’s harder to look in the mirror to find the source of a problem but that’s usually where it lies.

Yes, typically books neglect to detail the negative traits of Libra and Aquarius. Natives of those signs can seem to appear so serene and balanced that it’s hard to clearly recognize negatives. My mom is an Aquarius and can be extraordinarily stubborn. My mother in law is a double Libra and has serious issues, but nobody can tell at first because she has such a harmonious, attractive first impression.
Let’s not go to the extreme with the “you create your own reality” philosophy (re: looking in the mirror). It is no different from any other philosophy or spiritual belief and can be taken to insensitive heights. People should be allowed to express themselves without the “look in the mirror” comment…esp. when we are online and probably don’t know anything about each other. I wave the caution flag because this idea can be used to blame children for their own leukemia and Jews for the cruelty they faced during the Holocaust. I mean, come on…some sensitivity please.

Sill, Little Flower, I’m a Libra and I resemble your remark.

Well, here’s an interesting case of whether an Astrological analysis can provide a “diagnosis” for an as yet unexplained event and then find confirmation or refutation when the truth comes out. This amateur Astrologer thinks not. I believe that it is the nature of the human mind to find corrolations and linkage associations between simultaneous events to provide a meaning to the unknown. The richness of the Astrological filing cabinet of experience provides the ultimate language of synchonicity. Thus, while I don’t think Sarah’s chart, even if we knew her birth time, will provide the reason why she acted in so apparently rash a manner, when the truth comes out, we’ll be able to Astrologically relate to the corresponding forces. I suspect that there is more to this than meets the eye… or sky! Curiously, I possess the same Sun/Mars and Lunar/Mercury conjunctions in nearly the exact pre-new moon position as Sarah, albeit in Gemini(Sun)/Taurus(Moon). See what I mean?

Beka,
Perhaps, you’re not viewing yourself realisticly. Ever wonder why you have relationships with Aquarian men in the first place? Leo and Aquarius lie on opposite ends of the same plane of understanding meaning that you have oppostive opinions of the same basic knowledge. Leo being ego centric and Aquarius being the enemy of ego. Perhaps you need to learn more about yourself and how you affect others by experiencing your own relflection through relationships with Aquarian men.
Just my humble opinion.
Paul

Clearly what’s activated her prominence is the Uranus transit in House #1, now being further inflated by T-Neptune. With the huge money-trail (books, speaking, media, etc), it’s semi-messanic; a kind of reversion to Ben Franklin’s “doing well by doing good” on steroids.
Maybe she’s due a cynical epiphany when T-Uranus pops that Venus & later Jupiter in House 2, leading to a massive reappraisal of her institutional/political views (#9)…could be happening now. At any rate, this ‘poli-babe’ is all about 1 thing: the money behind her ‘brand’. She’ll be riding that pony until it dies of exhaustion, or it kicks her off. No chance here of serious political involvement, although SP will do everything to keep the boobs in America thinking that.

This “boob” in America would love to see someone who wasn’t judgmental and prematurely slanted review her chart objectively.

FOURTH HOUSE IS ALL HER AQUARIUS SO MANY CHILDREN, AND HUMANITY THEME
FIRST HOUSE IS HER CERES IN SAG, PHILOSOPHER, “HUNTER” TYPE
AND PLUTO IN HER CAREER WITH URANUS – ADVOCATE
SHE IS JUST ABOUT TO HAVE JUPITER AND URANUS HITTING HER VENUS
IN HER FIFTH – POLICTICS GALORE, BEAUTY. WOW MONEY TOO…
I BELIEVE

I believe she was born with a Sagittarius rising looking this over.

Many astrologers have suggested a sudden downfall for this bizarre woman, whose ambition seems to transcend any capacity for either empathy or shame. In light of public reaction to the tragic shootings in Arizona, has the collapse begun?