A reader wrote to me the other day about an article she had read where a Vedic astrologer predicted that Obama would be assassinated because Ketu (the South Node of the Moon) would be conjunct Obama’s Sun.
I dearly want to respect my colleagues, but I feel that when we predict death of any kind we are stepping over the line. First, I’m not sure how possible it is, and second, I’m not sure how useful it is to have that kind of information.
The conjunction of the South Node to the natal Sun is something that occurs for all of us every 19 years or so. I looked up my own last transit of the South Node to my Sun, and since my Sun conjuncts Saturn, another “malefic”, a Vedic or traditional astrologer might predict terrible things for that day. As far as I know, nothing horrible happened although I did post an article on Lindsay Lohan’s “annus horribilis.” Maybe that was the way the South Node expressed itself.
The South Node represents our past and things we must learn from the past. The conjunction of the South Node to the Sun, our Essential Self, may put us in touch with something unfinished from an earlier part of our life that needs resolution. Obama’s grandmother IS his past – she raised him and is credited for helping to shape him into the man he is today. The timing of the transiting South Node across his Sun at this time appears significant in light of the failing health of his grandmother, and the fact that she may not survive to see him elected which would coincide with the exact hit of the South Node to the Sun.
posted October 24, 2008 at 12:00 pm
LOL I’d better watch it, since I have SN/Sun natally.
posted October 24, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Also, most good Vedic astrologers would base such predictions on a host of astrological factors, not simply one factor that is manifested pretty regularly.
posted October 24, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Hi again, Lynn: This is not about this specific post or Obama’s fate, but you mention astrology’s ability to predict death. I’ve been reading “The Fated Sky” by Benson Bobrick, a fascinating history of astrology by an imminent historian. In it, he discusses historical examples — especially during the Roman empire — of such predictions. One story really interested me. To paraphrase …
The emperor Domitian (somewhere around 85 AD) learned of astrological predictions regarding the time and nature of his own death and lived his life in terror of the prediction coming true. At one point, he asked a respected astrologer named Ascletarion to predict his (Ascletarion’s) own death, which the astrologer said would have something to do with being torn apart by dogs. At that point — to demonstrate the flaw in such predictions — the emperor had the astrologer killed on the spot, presumably stabbed to death.
In disposing of the body, the emperor had Ascletarion’s corpse placed on a funeral pyre, but just as the fire was being ignited, a strong wind arose. The pyre blew over and Ascletarion’s corpse rolled onto the ground, where a a passing pack of wild dogs proceeded to devour it.
The point is, Bobrick in his book relates a few more such instances, usually where the deaths bear at least a strong resemblance to the original astrological prediction.
Something to ponder, anyway.
By the way, I’ve been including some of your posts in my “Election Astrology” posts on my Quantum Spirit blog, http://www.greglefever.blogspot.com. Of all the astrological blogs I’m watching, yours certainly is among the very best!
posted October 24, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Just as one has to vet their spirit guides, the same goes for astrologers. Thanks for a great post on a serious topic, always love your insights.
posted October 24, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Lynn,
You wrote:
The South Node represents our past and things we must learn from the past. The conjunction of the South Node to the Sun, our Essential Self, may put us in touch with something unfinished from an earlier part of our life that needs resolution.
From a New York Times blog, Obama is quoted about his regret about not being there when his mother died. He did not want to make the same mistake with his grandmother, hence his decision to take time off the campaign. Perhaps, his grandmother’s illness is allowing him to deal with the unfinished business of his mother’s death.
From: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/obamas-grandmother-and-the-risk-of-regret/
“The biggest mistake I made was not being at my mother’s bedside when she died,” he told The Chicago Sun-Times in 2004. “She was in Hawaii in a hospital, and we didn’t know how fast it was going to take, and I didn’t get there in time.”
posted October 24, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Jilly – I don’t remember your chart, but some Sun/South Node people have a strong affiliation to their ancestral past. It all depends on the aspects to that South Node, too.
I have heard a similar story about an astrologer being murdered with respect to Tiberius. Through Google I found this great article: http://www.nicholaswhyte.info/blood.htm I hope to have time to read it this weekend! You have to wonder how much of these ancient stories are fact and how much are legend. Nostradamus famously predicted the death of Henry II. But what use was that? He died anyway.
Gregory – I have the Bobrick book too but I never finished reading it.
Michele – Good to see you! Thanks for visiting and for your kind words.
Ebbie, thanks so much for posting that link. Obama’s grandmother is one of the last links to his past, making the South Node connection even more vivid!
posted October 24, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Does Obama have Aquarius rising? (I’m trying to remember.) So, then, is the south node currently in his 7th house of relationships? If so, then most likely, the ending is referring to his grandmother.
Question: The NORTH node is now in Aquarius (Obama’s rising) – so what could that portend?
Interesting topic, as Always.
posted October 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Thank you for reframing this. I can’t tell you how many predictions I’ve seen about Obama being assasinated. Far too many. I’m both outraged and worried. No question his election is going to enrage a certain sick segment. No question McCain and especially Palin have much to do with inflaming that perverted reaction. Equally so they could do much to temper it…But they won’t I imagine. Like I’ve been saying let’s keep Barack, Joe and all their families in a circles of protection and light. Always.
posted November 3, 2008 at 8:12 pm
‘The South Node represents our past and things we must learn from the past. The conjunction of the South Node to the Sun, our Essential Self, may put us in touch with something unfinished from an earlier part of our life that needs resolution. Obama’s grandmother IS his past – she raised him and is credited for helping to shape him into the man he is today. The timing of the transiting South Node across his Sun at this time appears significant in light of the failing health of his grandmother, and the fact that she may not survive to see him elected which would coincide with the exact hit of the South Node to the Sun.’
You were amazingly correct in your interpretation. His Grandmother paseed this afternoon. My thoughts and prayers go out to Barack Obama and his family. How bittersweet his win will be tomorrow.
posted November 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I often see death cards when I ask about Obama. I do not think it is because of assasination. Some people just have a lot of death around them during their lives, i.e. both parents dying young. Is there anything in his chart that bears this out? Just seems to me that death is around him a lot, and affects him but its not his death. Assasination is not likely to happen in this day and age.
Since Grandma was a born Scorpio and died under that sign, it is likely that either Obama or his sister will be welcoming a new addition to the family within the next year.
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posted December 19, 2011 at 6:40 am
Wow – as it turns out, you were right about the grandmother’s passing. I would have thought that would have been indicated by the South Node passing over the Moon. I think his moon is Taurus 26 degrees. What events could represent when this happens?