by Lynn HayesUpdated with new birth date and time.The You Tube video of Susan Boyle's audition for "Britain's Got Talent" has become a sensation all over the world. When an average person shoots from obscurity to international acclaim literally overnight,...
Venus in good 11th house is trine from the 5th to the Part of Fortune in Sagittarius. This is a good indication of her singing talent, and a good use of Part of Fortune as the Ascendant as did some ancient astrologers as Vettius Valens.
paloode
April 21, 2009 12:49 PM
real truth
Joseph
April 21, 2009 2:15 PM
http://www.gemini-awakening.com
I'm still rather skeptical about the April 1 date, despite the confirmations. Something about it just doesn't match the vibration. The April 1 chart (Please post it Lynn) just doesn't match the intensity, spontaneity and passion Susan expressed on the stage.
As an astrologer, I want to know what feeds her "stage presence". It takes quite a bit of inner work, or very strong Leo aspects, to hold one's center, especially in the face of derision and pressure. Venus in Aries trine Uranus in Leo is a possibility, however, Saturn in Capricorn squaring Venus makes this somewhat "iffy". Mercury in Pisces just doesn't match how she communicated and expressed herself to the judges. And the presence of an intense T-Square (Mars/Moon/Sun) compromising her Grand Trine makes this all the more unlikely.
Given the Mars/Uranus/Venus in Pisces trio now occurring there may be some delusion going on. However, I think activation of the Aries vibe over the next few weeks will clear away this Piscean fog revealing the truth. In the meantime, let the speculation continue... :)
If Susan had a strong Leo, she would have been performing a long time ago. She had some of the instincts for performance, but not enough to have driven her into the limelight long ago. I think that we saw on the video is more of an aberration which I attribute to the Jupiter transit over her Midheaven which shone a big light on her presentation to the world.
Glenda the good witch
April 21, 2009 4:32 PM
Thank you. So appreciate finally knowing that. Is that why it is
called April Fool's Day.
mariel
April 21, 2009 4:52 PM
I posted this the first time the June date went up. If you listen to her during the interiew portion of the show, she gives her age TWICE; the first time when she is asked back stage, she says "I'm nearly 48. The second time, when Simon Cowell asks her, she says answers, "47."
Both responses would make the April 1 date impossible, given that the show's taping was just last week.
Joseph
April 21, 2009 4:54 PM
http://www.gemini-awakening.com
>I think that we saw on the video is more of an aberration which I attribute to the Jupiter transit over her Midheaven which shone a big light on her presentation to the world.
The actual show was recorded sometime around January 20. Then, Jupiter was at 6 Aquarius and Mercury retrograde at 0 Aquarius. Neptune/Chiron in AQ would have been opposing Susan's Uranus in Leo. And Venus/Uranus in Pisces conjoined her Mercury.
With all that said, I'm still not convinced we're looking at the right chart (I like to feel the "yes" inside). Her Leo like performance seemed way too extraordinary - that was a huge transcendent moment (is this a cosmic April fools joke?). More will be revealed in the next few weeks.
As an aside, amazing to me how her performance was kept under wraps for almost 3 months, especially in this day of social networking.
mariel
April 21, 2009 4:57 PM
thanks Jospeh, didnt know that.
Lynn Hayes
April 21, 2009 7:12 PM
http://www.astrodynamics.net
Thanks Joseph, and sorry Mariel for not responding to your comment before I deleted the post. If you watch the full video, the people that usher Susan Boyle back and forth seem to know that the video will be distributed so you have to wonder if it is all a big PR move.
Your Name
April 21, 2009 7:20 PM
I'd be very interested in the year of her birth, and the location. That is just about all of the puzzle pieces. Yes, I know most of the rest. Oh, who was her mother did you say??
W Zac
April 22, 2009 3:53 AM
So many big events happen. Could you provide an insight or what beneficial events could happen as to how the Uranus Opposition would affect personal planets. Born 5/20/68 at 2:06am in Washington ,D.C.
ruya
April 22, 2009 8:48 AM
http://www.tabirlerin.com
thanks Jospeh.
Hans
April 22, 2009 9:30 AM
Lynn, my Solar Fire programme gives an Ascendant of 1 Cancer 47, not late Gemini, which bears out the caring emphasis you were mentioning. It also gives the Moon in the Fifth much more prominence. The natural performer that Joseph thought was explained by a Leo Ascendant could just as easily be described by the Moon in Leo's own house.
I think if we take the Ascendant to represent one's primary role in life, then Cancer seems a perfect fit, given her history.
Kathy Kerston
April 22, 2009 11:45 AM
On the show Susan says, Iam 47 almost 48. What was the date of the show? I believe it was after April 1st, which would have already made her 48. Maybe the June date is correct?
The birth date is April 1, 1961, 9:50 am, Bathgate Scotland.
Kathryn Cassidy
April 25, 2009 1:04 PM
http://www.cainer.com
Just to clarify to every one here. Susan Boyle's data is as Lynn says above. 1 April 1961 09.50am. She was actually born in Bangour Hospital, West Lothian. Caroline Gerard, a genealogist and very well known astro data collector found the precise location and time - time of birth is recorded in Scottish births. The data minus the time had been previously confirmed by the BGT PR to us.
Before anyone cries out, oh no so Bathgate is wrong, here's the gen. Bangour Hospital is not in a place called Bangour but in a village very close to Bathgate. The record is held at Bathgate and the coordinates are so close the rising degree does not change, although the minutes may. Only Bathgate is in most people's computer atlas but if you wish to manually change the coordinates to get the right amount of minutes use 55N55 3W34 as opposed to 55W55 3W39 of Bathgate. Dechmont is the nearest place 55N55 3W33 but it is not in SF or WinStar atlas (not the ones I have anyway).
To really confuse things, Susan is reported to live in Blackburn and some people used that. Blackburn is below Bathgate and Solar Fire gives that as 57N12 2W18 which generates a rising degree of 1 Cancer but GPS (global positioning) give Blackburn as 55N52 3W37. This is where the confusion comes from. SF has wrong coordinates. Susan is late Gemini rising.
Bangour Hospital closed down but it is interesting to note that it was already on the map before Susan Boyle shot to fame. In 2005 George Clooney produced a movie called The Jacket starring Keira Knightley and Adrien Brody filmed at this ex psychiatric hospital.
susan davies
June 1, 2009 7:10 AM
what a facinating discussion. thanks for posting this report, lynn.if suob was born on 1/4/61, she's numerologically a 22 and we know that the lifepath of a 22 is as a 'Master Builder and that anyone with this lifepath number has a date with destiny - and more on 22's I just found on the net - 'the lifepath 22 must learn to live up to his/her potential being although aware and highly perceptive as he/she is will find self often frustrated at not being able to put the puzzle together when confronted with a problem. Learning to harness the great power to accomplish great things will not come to the 22 in his/her early years. After maturity will come better understanding and he/she will be a wonder to see in all his/her endeavors. Learning how to harness this great potential and use it constructively for the betterment of those around him/her or the world in general will be the lesson for this lifetime. The Negative Forces Withint- The lifepath 22 must not use his power for selfish reasons as he will circumvent the destiny of the master number 22 and will be very aware of misusing it which will lead to unrest and a troubled soul.Occassionally a negative 22 will be overwhelmed by this powerful force and try to retreat from it which he/she must not do as the world needs him/her and it will result in another wasted life span.'
Lynn Hayes
June 1, 2009 7:17 PM
http://www.astrodynamics.net
Thanks for sharing the numerology, Susan!
Moussette
July 5, 2009 12:55 PM
Regarding her chart beforehand, and great things coming...Nothing would have vaulted her to the stardom she has attained now, if not for the streaming videos on the web. Before all this technology, she would have auditioned, and won, it would be a while before the entire world would know about her. Thank goodness for the free sources of the world wide web!
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Venus in good 11th house is trine from the 5th to the Part of Fortune in Sagittarius. This is a good indication of her singing talent, and a good use of Part of Fortune as the Ascendant as did some ancient astrologers as Vettius Valens.
real truth
I'm still rather skeptical about the April 1 date, despite the confirmations. Something about it just doesn't match the vibration. The April 1 chart (Please post it Lynn) just doesn't match the intensity, spontaneity and passion Susan expressed on the stage.
As an astrologer, I want to know what feeds her "stage presence". It takes quite a bit of inner work, or very strong Leo aspects, to hold one's center, especially in the face of derision and pressure. Venus in Aries trine Uranus in Leo is a possibility, however, Saturn in Capricorn squaring Venus makes this somewhat "iffy". Mercury in Pisces just doesn't match how she communicated and expressed herself to the judges. And the presence of an intense T-Square (Mars/Moon/Sun) compromising her Grand Trine makes this all the more unlikely.
Given the Mars/Uranus/Venus in Pisces trio now occurring there may be some delusion going on. However, I think activation of the Aries vibe over the next few weeks will clear away this Piscean fog revealing the truth. In the meantime, let the speculation continue... :)
Joseph, I've posted the chart here and sorry not to have linked it to the article: http://astrodynamics.net/blogstuff/Susan-Boyle.pdf
If Susan had a strong Leo, she would have been performing a long time ago. She had some of the instincts for performance, but not enough to have driven her into the limelight long ago. I think that we saw on the video is more of an aberration which I attribute to the Jupiter transit over her Midheaven which shone a big light on her presentation to the world.
Thank you. So appreciate finally knowing that. Is that why it is
called April Fool's Day.
I posted this the first time the June date went up. If you listen to her during the interiew portion of the show, she gives her age TWICE; the first time when she is asked back stage, she says "I'm nearly 48. The second time, when Simon Cowell asks her, she says answers, "47."
Both responses would make the April 1 date impossible, given that the show's taping was just last week.
>I think that we saw on the video is more of an aberration which I attribute to the Jupiter transit over her Midheaven which shone a big light on her presentation to the world.
The actual show was recorded sometime around January 20. Then, Jupiter was at 6 Aquarius and Mercury retrograde at 0 Aquarius. Neptune/Chiron in AQ would have been opposing Susan's Uranus in Leo. And Venus/Uranus in Pisces conjoined her Mercury.
With all that said, I'm still not convinced we're looking at the right chart (I like to feel the "yes" inside). Her Leo like performance seemed way too extraordinary - that was a huge transcendent moment (is this a cosmic April fools joke?). More will be revealed in the next few weeks.
As an aside, amazing to me how her performance was kept under wraps for almost 3 months, especially in this day of social networking.
thanks Jospeh, didnt know that.
Thanks Joseph, and sorry Mariel for not responding to your comment before I deleted the post. If you watch the full video, the people that usher Susan Boyle back and forth seem to know that the video will be distributed so you have to wonder if it is all a big PR move.
I'd be very interested in the year of her birth, and the location. That is just about all of the puzzle pieces. Yes, I know most of the rest. Oh, who was her mother did you say??
So many big events happen. Could you provide an insight or what beneficial events could happen as to how the Uranus Opposition would affect personal planets. Born 5/20/68 at 2:06am in Washington ,D.C.
thanks Jospeh.
Lynn, my Solar Fire programme gives an Ascendant of 1 Cancer 47, not late Gemini, which bears out the caring emphasis you were mentioning. It also gives the Moon in the Fifth much more prominence. The natural performer that Joseph thought was explained by a Leo Ascendant could just as easily be described by the Moon in Leo's own house.
I think if we take the Ascendant to represent one's primary role in life, then Cancer seems a perfect fit, given her history.
On the show Susan says, Iam 47 almost 48. What was the date of the show? I believe it was after April 1st, which would have already made her 48. Maybe the June date is correct?
Kathy, the date of the show was sometime in late January. Have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain's_Got_Talent
Read the section: series 3
The birth date is April 1, 1961, 9:50 am, Bathgate Scotland.
Just to clarify to every one here. Susan Boyle's data is as Lynn says above. 1 April 1961 09.50am. She was actually born in Bangour Hospital, West Lothian. Caroline Gerard, a genealogist and very well known astro data collector found the precise location and time - time of birth is recorded in Scottish births. The data minus the time had been previously confirmed by the BGT PR to us.
Before anyone cries out, oh no so Bathgate is wrong, here's the gen. Bangour Hospital is not in a place called Bangour but in a village very close to Bathgate. The record is held at Bathgate and the coordinates are so close the rising degree does not change, although the minutes may. Only Bathgate is in most people's computer atlas but if you wish to manually change the coordinates to get the right amount of minutes use 55N55 3W34 as opposed to 55W55 3W39 of Bathgate. Dechmont is the nearest place 55N55 3W33 but it is not in SF or WinStar atlas (not the ones I have anyway).
To really confuse things, Susan is reported to live in Blackburn and some people used that. Blackburn is below Bathgate and Solar Fire gives that as 57N12 2W18 which generates a rising degree of 1 Cancer but GPS (global positioning) give Blackburn as 55N52 3W37. This is where the confusion comes from. SF has wrong coordinates. Susan is late Gemini rising.
Bangour Hospital closed down but it is interesting to note that it was already on the map before Susan Boyle shot to fame. In 2005 George Clooney produced a movie called The Jacket starring Keira Knightley and Adrien Brody filmed at this ex psychiatric hospital.
what a facinating discussion. thanks for posting this report, lynn.if suob was born on 1/4/61, she's numerologically a 22 and we know that the lifepath of a 22 is as a 'Master Builder and that anyone with this lifepath number has a date with destiny - and more on 22's I just found on the net - 'the lifepath 22 must learn to live up to his/her potential being although aware and highly perceptive as he/she is will find self often frustrated at not being able to put the puzzle together when confronted with a problem. Learning to harness the great power to accomplish great things will not come to the 22 in his/her early years. After maturity will come better understanding and he/she will be a wonder to see in all his/her endeavors. Learning how to harness this great potential and use it constructively for the betterment of those around him/her or the world in general will be the lesson for this lifetime. The Negative Forces Withint- The lifepath 22 must not use his power for selfish reasons as he will circumvent the destiny of the master number 22 and will be very aware of misusing it which will lead to unrest and a troubled soul.Occassionally a negative 22 will be overwhelmed by this powerful force and try to retreat from it which he/she must not do as the world needs him/her and it will result in another wasted life span.'
Thanks for sharing the numerology, Susan!
Regarding her chart beforehand, and great things coming...Nothing would have vaulted her to the stardom she has attained now, if not for the streaming videos on the web. Before all this technology, she would have auditioned, and won, it would be a while before the entire world would know about her. Thank goodness for the free sources of the world wide web!
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