Michael Jackson dead at 50

Do these deaths in such a close group (Farrah, Michael, Ed) have anything to do with the upcoming eclipse(s)?

It is said that "death comes in threes".

Sigh.

That last phrase of yours, "his death was a liberation from a life that was painful beyond measure", nailed it.

Thank you, MJ, for the music that I will always dance to...

Thank you for posting such a complete picture and analysis of his chart so quickly.
It helps make sense of his life, and his death. And you put it so aptly, that his passing brought him freedom from a life of pain.

TG i hadn't looked at Michael's chart for a few years and i do not remember where i got it from but chances are i just decided it was the one that made the most sense. I am a master at chart rectification and i have rectified dozens of charts over the years and had them verified later as well. Many celebrities do not have published birth times and i love speculating on their charts since everything about their lives is published and you can verify events with transits/progressions etc. In case you're interested i have the rectified chart for Janet and the time i use is 4:12 pm with an ascendant if 11 Libra rising. And she and Michael have a few things in common. The two big ones are both have Neptune in the second house which indicates dancing and problems with money among other things. They both have chiron in the sixth house which is one of the body houses, have noticed many celebrities have this placement and it indicates a hatred of the body which leads to plastic surgery/body modification. They also both have mars at exactly 21 Taurus which is a cool thing. As well both have the north node in the 2nd and 8th house which is interesting to see.

JP: Thanks for the info. Those similarities are interesting.

I would have gone with Gemini Rising – the whole needing to be Peter Pan forever, Gemini ruling youth, therefore Pluto and Sun in Virgo would have possibly made a square to it. Pluto being about renewal and obsession, so an obsessive renewal of his appearance, by surgery - another Plutonian thing) probably stemming from what would be in the 4th house (family, childhood, inherited stuff). Sun (father) and Pluto in 4th perhaps – well, says it all really.

Still, so sad and truly shocking. At least he is in peace now, something he never got during his turbulent life.

Lynn: Why is no one concerned about the victims MJ created? If he was so miserable in his own life, he still had no right to victimize children. I still cannot believe he was able to buy his way out of that trial. He used the same strategy for selecting children that the pedophile priests used so successfully--that of picking children from neglectful and abusive families of origin. These parents either don't notice the abuse or are themselves so horrific that no one will give them credence (as we saw at the trial). Also, picking families that could be bought helped keep him under the radar for a long time, too. I cannot believe that he was allowed to keep his own children, especially after that balcony incident.

Dear Lynn,

I think your comments, considering the publicly unknown birthtime of Michael Jackson, are excellent. Well done!

Anyone who deals with astrology full-time knows the question of guilt/innocence to be very difficult.

First of all, English is not my native language, so please note that. What you write, Lynn, is really about your reflection and understanding about life = about astrology. Also, I do not agree at all in an astrological point of view what Lynn wrote. You sound so condemning, how can YOU know what Michael Jackson is, and HOW he used his stars, so to speak, even at looking at the stars? Wow. You are only telling about YOUR understanding, not about Michael Jackson. Astrology has been my "professional hobby" since 1993. The more I live, and the more I know about astrology, the less I want to say anything about anyone. Look at the person instead, look at him with your heart. Astrology is only a tool for deepening the understanding of life. That´s what it is. When you use it in other way, that is about YOU, whose evr name you mention. Michael Jackson was a Moon in Pisces, like Elvis Presley. What I have understood about Pisces, this sign in some individuals, is a sign that they have come here to heal. Their purpose in life on Eart, is to do God´s work, to be His tool. No matter, if this God is Allah, Jesus, Buddha, or what ever. They know therre is no difference. there is only Love. Michael Jackson was all about love. All is well with him now. He did his work, and he did it well. He is in peace now. We, the rest of us, let´s get on with our work.

Thank you for your insightful interpretation Lynn! For the write who sees astrology as a "hobby", have some respect for a professional's interpretation. While you're at it.. learn your English so you can better formulate a well thought out and intelligent opinion! Just because your interpretation may not jive with the one offered, it is not necessary to voice such nasty critique. Unfortunately for you and luckily for us.. the universe doesn't revolve around only YOUR interpretation of life events!!

I find it fascinating that even in his death people are still very touchy over the man. He was an amazing talent a true gift to music... he touched many and in doing so definitely healed many though pure joy. He was flawed as many of us are and had the displeasure of having it smeared from paper to paper, forced into a personal prison because of paparazzi. I feel like this goes along well with the Virgo-Pisces theme of being of service, martyrdom & seclusion. Lynne I would definitely like to hear more about Pisces Moon and 6th house Chiron as I have both in my own chart... maybe that explains my love for the man since a young age.

I can only hope to live as fantastically as he did, to be pure energy. He served his purpose in this lifetime, now I hope he's finally at peace with the Universe preparing to engage in yet another fabulous lifetime.

The "your name" comment above...was posted my Morningmoon.

Thank you :)

I found two possible birth times for Michael Jackson: 11:43 pm CDT in Gary, IN or 11:53 pm CDT in Gary, IN. This would give him a Gemini ascendant, which matches the duality of his appearance. Transiting Saturn in Virgo made a Grand Square out of his ascendant 14 or 16 Gemini, natal Saturn 19 Sag, and natal Moon 17 Pisces. I will also look at progressions, transits and solar return to see what else what happening astrologically.

Julie in Boston, I agree with you 100%. Thank you for posting.

We do know that two of the jurors in the case that went to trial came forward with regrets about letting a pedophile go free. It is my understanding that the parents of at least 5 children, all young boys, were paid off by Jackson. It's not the parents who were victimized by him, it was the children! One 24 year old man testified at the trial that he was abused by Jackson while his mother worked as a maid in the Jackson employ. What child would want to risk the livelihood of his single mother to complain about the fondling? How awful all this Jackson worshipping must seem to them, now. People, including the media have been canonizing him- it's shameful that Pop>People.

His chart also shows a transiting PlutoR in exact trine his natal Sun/Pluto (second pass) and while it is a trine and not a square or opposition, my sense tells me this gives additional power for the Soul to choose to exit IMMEDIATELY (cardiac arrest). I see Pluto as a portal to the Universe and after the Chiron return the Soul's work had done as much as it could within the cultural environment for this time around ...

I post this a couple of days after his passing as I waited to hear what would be revealed by those who knew him. The comments by Deepak Chopra, Lisa Marie Presley and others of people around him and the exposure to the prescription drugs and the people who lived off of him comes with this lifestyle. It used to be "illegal" substances - now it's the scripts written by physicians!

I worked in entertainment here is LA for 30 years and the extreme pressure of this dynamic....well, to live it for 45 years with a Pisces Moon - so super psychically sensitive (I have Pisces Sun, Mercury and Mars) at the mega status he lived... I was not surprised.

Peace & Freedom to Michael

Gemini rising. Endless curiosity, diversity of application, puer aeternus. Look at a chart constructed for 11:30 pm. Says it all. Stellium in the fourth house, big time childhood issues and a persona that projected this. Pluto in the fourth, father's presence, secrets in the closet, explosive. Moon in the tenth, speaks for itself. Jupiter and neptune in the sixth. Health issues, some hard to define, obsession with. Saturn in the seventh. And my personal favorite--mars in the twelfth, repressed anger, powerfully expressed passion through the art, transpersonal. Ambivalent sexuality.

If you read the thread I posted on the Skyscript site there is a lot of evidence for an 11:53 pm birth time and that resonates with me as well with the Gemini ascendant.

Chiron, beautifully stated. If you're interested in tertiaries you should read Robert P. Blaschke's book on holographic progressions if you haven't already. It's really interesting stuff about the cycles of time.

MerrieWay muses: There is a day...to be born and a day to die in this life. MJ frail suffering from with lupus (autoimmune disease) painful and debilitating, may contributed to his seen in a wheel chair -
Woo-woo time - here it goes. Let's check out Michael's birth chart-- was there a sign he might pass on.
The Chiron return is a life-spin and Michael was in it big time. Four days before his death he pleaded with a natural path, that he couldn't sleep and he needed a pain injection to help him.
His agreement to do 50 concerts would put the healthiest performer into a stressed, anxiety ridden state. So, critical that the soul... might choose to check out of life...and move into freedom of spirit.

Check in on the astrological aspect of MJ's death.

I believe he was born at 3:13 pm in Gary. Putting his saturn in a cusp between the 12th and 1st houses. His taurus mars in the fifth. His jupiter in the 10th. His water moon in the 3rd. Sag rising.

Makes sense to me. I know I am alone on this. But this would make sense to me. I have been secretly studying astrology since I was 10 years old.

Cancer 28 degree's seems to fit him sooo well. His first house would be Leo which fits of course but he would still have cancer tendencies, withdrawing, the mother relationship, he wanted 20 children from around the world since he was 12! This ascendant would put Uranus and Venus in the 1st house. Musical, attractive to people, eccentric, original. Saturn in the 5th and we all know he had a very strict abusive frustrating childhood. South node on the IC a quest for inner self-worth. Public recognition. Chiron would be conjunct the 8th cusp. feeling inadequate sexually, the accusations wounding him. Pallas and Mercury in the second showing creativity and disturbing information will be how he make money. He would also put alot of value on intelligence. We know he said he only cared about prince michael's mothers health and intelligence.

Since the release of the children's birthtime I have been pourin over there charts? SO sad, poor babies. It's interesting tho that Michael was having his Chiron transit and both the boys were also. Michael Jr is having chiron conjunct sun and Prince is Chiron square Uranus.
Paris has a stellium in the 12th and PlutoR in the 8th. Prince has a capricorn 4th while the older 2 have Pisces & cancer. Michael Jr has 4 planets squaring his moon and paris has a cancer moon. I'm wondering if the 2 older children WILL end up with Debbie and Prince will have to stay with the Jacksons.

Daphne, since we don't have a birth time we don't know his ascendant or where the 8th house is.

It would be surprising for Michael to have a Cancer Ascendant.
The Ascendant is representative of the physical body, so for Michael to have a Cancer Ascendant he would be short and prone to putting on weight. Cancer Ascendants can have round 'moon like' faces. I don't think he was this. With his build it would seem he had a mutable Ascendant such as Gemini, Virgo,Scorpio ir Sagittarius. Gemini and Scoroio are 2 that have been speculated on.

mlm you are not alone with your oppinion for MJ chart, and I have something more than feelings.
I checked configurations of number of events during his life and all of them point to Saturn as a planet that rules his Ascendent. So his ASC is Capricorn.

Saturn radix is 19.1 Sagitarius, 12 house

1) 27 Jan 1984 - burned scalp;
- Transit Nodes 14.7 Sagitarius in conjunction with Saturn radix (head),
- Uran transit 15 Sagitarius
- Moon in Sagitarius helps for the perfect conjunction between Uran transit and Saturn radix,
2) 14 May 1984 - received a prize for charity;
- Uranus (gives surprises) in conjunction with Saturn radix
(Uran radix always helped him, 120 to Saturn radix)
-At the same time Jupiter transit is in 1 house
3) 17 Feb 1993 - accused of child abuse;
- Transit Nodes 19.1 in Sagitarius conj. with Saturn radix,
and Mercury-transit(child) in Pieses 90 to them.
- Pluto and Mars transit(the father support his child) 120 to Mercury and Nodes;
When the Moon Nodes are involved, whatever happened, it's irreversible
4) 26 May 1994 marriage to Lisa Presley
- (MJ)Saturn transit in conjunction with Moon radix(7th house, marriage)
- Jupiter transit in Scorpio 120 Moon rad & Saturn transit in Pieces,
(Jupiter stands for oficial marriage, no for partnership);
5) 20.Nov 2003 arest
- Pluto and Venus transit in conjunction with Saturn radix(MJ).

and the list can go on and on.

At the beginning I also checked for ASC in Geminy, but this didn't match my furder analises.

MJ has a gift from
- Uranus(finanses 2 house),
- Venus(creative work, Taurus - singing and Mars in Taurus - dansing;; Libra in 10th house gives him support from gavernment, and Jupiter there...) and
- Mercury (6 house - workaholick, but at the same time it is Geminy - lungs, breathing problems he complained all the time)...
- This 3 planets are in 8th house(sexuality). Venus there - it's women, Mercuri - it is children, but they are 120 degrees to Saturn(MJ), so they have agreed for having sex with him, at list most of them. I don't excuse MJ , but this is what I see in his horoscope.
Women haven't been satisfied due to the influence of Uranus.
Uranus sugests also homosexual relationchips.
Seems, when you have money, you can go around the things...

There is a lot more I see in his horoscope, but here I just wanted to sugest, start your analises knowing that MJ Ascendent is in Capricorn.

I daresay there will be various theories about MJ's correct chart and we need to be careful about the things we say. It is all supposition anyhow. By dousing with a pendulum I got 11 degrees Gemini as the Ascendant, which puts the birth time at 23.30. His family said Michael was born very late one summer's evening which ties in. Chiron is conjunct the MC so this person would express their wounding through their work. Mars is in Taurus in the 12th so he acts in a creative grounded way and expresses this in a 12th House which can relate to dancing. Jupiter, Neptune and North Node his destiny are all conjunct. This could be a very religious or spiritual combination or the life destiny oould be personal expansion through dance.

Iskra - you are awfully arrogant towards Judy's pendulum work. How foolish of you. Obviously astrology is based on research. But it is a mystic discipline, and those who are truly good at it would never discount the pendulum as a useful tool in the work of the occult. She never said that she MUST be correct, she only offered up the possibility of a Gemini rising, which other people have suggested as well.

Also, Indian food is not unhealthy. Whoever told you that was lying to you.

Well I tried to post this once and it failed. I was thinking their was some evidence for Gemini rising because of his Peter Pan obsession and his androgynos body. He also seemed to be 2 people and being so hooked in to reclaiming his childhood seems to be a Gemini trait as well. I did also consider Libra rising but didn't feel as strongly about that. Thanks for your comments because it gives me food for thought. Too bad MJ was in so much pain.

Thanks Lynn we seem seem to be on the same frequency with interpretation of the death chart aspects to his MJ's Natal. Mission accomplished on Planet earth it was his time to go Jupiter trine Jupiter and the North Node. Clear to be seen for those of us who understand the spiritual dimensions of a Natal chart.

I was shocked and astonished at some of the judgemental interpretations from Astrologers known and unknown to be found on forums and sites around the net.

Thanks again.

Sirius, thank you for your comments. It's easy to be judgmental, particularly considering the tragedy of MJ's life. But it's also important for our own growth, in my opinion, to be able to find the compassionate view of those we criticize.

Iskra, how interesting that you get to use astrology in your job as health therapist. And while I LOVE Indian food, I can vouch for it being not particularly healthy. In the early 1970s I lived in an ashram in Denver and the Indian "mahatmas" as we called them would come to visit and cook with us. They always used white sugar and white basmati rice and of course the sauces are loaded with fat. When I cook Indian food at home I always use the brown rice and forget the sugar and slim down the sauces.

Hi Kelly, yes, I do all of these things and more. Here's the link to the info on my website: www.astrodynamics.net/readings.htm.

the hindu astrologoer that consulted him for nearly 20 years (from late 80-ties) gives 7:33 PM, which is middle of Pisces ascendant... with sun in the 6th.

http://www.astrologia.pl/charts/popstar/michael-jackson-en.html