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This was not David Carradine’s first time

posted by Lynn Hayes | 10:43am Sunday June 14, 2009

by Lynn Hayes

See my original article here, and the first update here.  David Carradine’s third wife, Gail Jensen, has revealed to the National Enquirer that she rescued Carradine in 1984 from an autoerotic asphyxiation episode after finding him “hanging unconscious from a beam with a belt around his neck.”  Another interview with Ms. Jensen revealed that Carradine had experimented with drowning himself in their pool. 
In my earlier articles I connected Carradine’s evident fascination with the darker side of sexuality to an opposition from Pluto (death and compulsive behavior) to Venus (relating to others) in his astrological chart.   Looking back to this 1984 period, transiting Pluto was in a challenging square formation to that natal dynamic, creating a tendency for more extreme behavior and a desire to explore these darker undercurrents and experiences.  
Not everyone with Pluto/Venus contacts in their chart (I myself have something similar) go to this kind of extreme or react with this kind of compulsion.   There is, though, a fascination with death and perhaps this became a kind of a game for Carradine in which he outwitted Death over and over.  After this kind of extreme life-or-death sexual experience, ordinary human relationships would have paled by comparison driving Carradine to take greater and greater risks.


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Jay

posted June 14, 2009 at 11:55 am


I know you have Scorpio planets Lynn, but enough with the David Carradine thing. Sheesh!
There’s so much other important stuff going on astrologically.



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Mike

posted June 14, 2009 at 12:22 pm


Lynn,
I appreciate that you would tackle this topic. There are a lot of people involved in things like this and even more with these kind of hidden compulsions. It’s helpful to understand with compassion and not condemn. I see it as an addictive sort of behavior.
As you say “After this kind of extreme life-or-death sexual experience, ordinary human relationships would have paled by comparison driving Carradine to take greater and greater risks.”
The normal range of expression for the activity becomes wildly distorted. This manifests not just sexually but also I think in some extreme athletes whose ever greater pushing of the envelope eventually ends in death. I feel nothing but compassion for Carradine in this.



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Lynn Hayes

posted June 14, 2009 at 1:08 pm


Jay, as you can see some people find this type of discussion useful. This blog covers all kinds of topics including popular culture, which helps to bring astrological analysis to an area where people can easily understand it and see how it works.



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Chiron

posted June 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm


It is good to explore such themes, in as much as it demonstrates that celebrities often have serious issues to confront. Just like the rest of us. Celebrity is often a veneer. Compulsions and the darker side of sexuality are all worthy topics for astrological analysis.



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Marie

posted June 14, 2009 at 5:19 pm


Jay, you’re funny and your comment made me laugh. But you know if this annoys you then just don’t open the link. As for me I’m pretty interested in Lynn’s observations. I really trust her skill.
Re David I don’t understand his compulsions at all. No judgement; just sadness it went so far as to risk and then finally take his life.



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Jay

posted June 14, 2009 at 6:07 pm


Really fascinating. This isn’t a topic that gets a lot of coverage, as people are rather squeamish about it. As a rock fan, I remember Michael Hutchence killing himself in the same way. I really don’t understand the compulsion either, but it’s obviously very powerful for some people, and as astrologers we should take the time to give it some thought & try to see signs/aspects relating to it. Thanks!



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Anonymous

posted June 14, 2009 at 6:13 pm


I am interested in this story because I was born on December 6, very close to David Carradine albeit a different year) and nearly died during my Chiron return due to flirting with death. I was very depressed, ate poorly, and let my weight go down to 60 lbs. I was wondering if there was some correlation with people born during this time period – December 6-8 – and depression.
A female born in 1954.



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Anonym0us

posted June 14, 2009 at 6:33 pm


Oh yeah, I have a Grand Cross too between Moon/Sedna, Jupiter/Uranus, Neptune and Chiron.



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Andrea

posted June 14, 2009 at 8:09 pm


He was an old man who did something stupid and incredibly risky to gain sexual fulfillment and embarrassed his family and caused damage to his own reputation by dying in the process. I’d imagine this adrenaline junkie type is not that uncommon in Hollywood. It’s sad, but not surprising. As an X-Files fan, the first thing I thought of was the episode with the psychic who said this was the way Mulder would die. Even though he’s fictional, I kind of hope not. Time to move on and give his family a chance to live down the publicity.



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Anonymous

posted June 15, 2009 at 3:05 am


Andrea, I’m so glad to find a comment from an individual that is not a follower like most of the other commentaries that you can find about this topic. It is very sad to see how people ignore the lack of ethics and principles of this man as well as the lack of respect for his own body by seeking pleasure that he obviously couldn’t get by bein married 5 os 6 times.



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Lynn Hayes

posted June 15, 2009 at 7:35 am


Anonymous, birthdates in themselves do not have much of a correlation. Remember the birthchart is a complex system of planets that changes every day. For Carradine, if you read the first article, he had a challenging birthchart with difficult aspects of Chiron, the Wounder and Healer, as well as Saturn, the taskmaster, to his Sun. In your chart, though you are an optimistic Sagittarius Sun, there is a challenging aspect of both Chiron and Uranus to your Aries Moon, which shows that you are very sensitive emotionally and retain the feelings of old hurts until they are completely healed. Your Chiron return would have exacerbated that and made it more important than ever to heal the old emotional debris.



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Lynn Hayes

posted June 15, 2009 at 7:39 am


Andrea thinks people should stop writing about Carradine and move on, but I notice she not only read the article but also the comments.
Public people give up a certain amount of privacy when they seek fame, and for astrologers they then become a useful way to teach the way astrology works. It’s one thing to learn astrology abstractly, but it’s another thing entirely to show how it works by using a human subject, rather like medical school. :)



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Andrea

posted June 15, 2009 at 9:22 am


Of course I read the article because I enjoy your blog. The subject is also a bit like a train wreck you can’t avert your eyes from. I do feel sorry for Carradine, who apparently had his demons, and for his family, who are grieving and have to deal with salacious coverage of his manner of death. His ex-wife REALLY talked to the National Enquirer?



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Carradine Fan

posted June 15, 2009 at 10:42 am


I have always had a huge crush on David Carradine ever since his movie “Boxcar Bertha”. That was a long time ago. And in the years since then, I have learned a few things about Hollywood people…curiosity follows the famous….so does rumors! And the media are the worst at fueling these rumors, blowing everything so out of proportion. That’s how they keep readers! It’s all about money! Whether these stories are true or not is not our business to keep fueling them. Maybe his ex- is upset that she was not his present wife at his time of death to inherit his fortune, maybe she didnt talk to them at all, maybe they twisted her words to make it appear she said what was stated…that happens, you know. There are alot of variables to consider here. But you are missing the main point…….David Carradine, an actor loved by many, is gone. Whatever his sexual preferences were, good, bad, dark, whatever…was HIS and his wife’s business, not ours. Maybe he didnt die as stated! Who knows at this point? Let it go and grieve for him and his family. I dont want my thoughts of his last days on earth to be some torrid, ritualistic, experimentation of sexual fullfilment. I will remember him as a great actor who had a long life of entertaining the public. Would you want your sexual preferences or some other deep dark secret exposed and talked about…ad nauseaum…in the media to further embarass your family and friends? No, I expect not! When kids are teased and harassed in school by their peers, that kidding follows them for years, even into adulthood in some cases. Dont be a “peer” for David by fueling this awful story about him by continualy raking it over the coals. You would feel pretty stupid if you found out his death had nothing to do with what is being said, then you might regret your words. Dont regret them, stop them now and keep those comments to yourself for all concerned. Let him go in peace with whatever skeletons he may have had in his closet and his reputation intact! My sincere condolences to his wife and family! I grieve with you…no matter what!!!



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MarAli

posted June 15, 2009 at 11:08 am


What a way to go. :)



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Angyl

posted June 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm


I find your article on David Carradine to be extremely puzzling, since the recent corener’s report came back ruling out suicide for the cause of death. I honestly think at one time perhaps some of what his 3rd wife might have been true back when I was a baby. Even David himself said prior to gaining the original role in Kung Fu he was lost & on the road to death, but enlightenment changed him. He dedicated his life to a higher power of devotion than I think his 3rd wife will ever understand. Yes he was an amazing actor that we will all miss greatly. One of which we all might have over looked had it not been for the brillance from the mind of the late Bruce Lee coming up with the idea for the Kung Fu series that unfortunately was stolen from him by the studios. This series, by David’s own words, brought him out of a path of death & destruction to a higher calling & enlightenment. Even after the series ended David continued on with the studies of Shaolin Priest, their philosophy and the practice of Shaolin Do (the mother of all martial arts) or as some of you call it Kung Fu. Like I said the autopsy report came back ruling out suicide, stating there are grounds to imply murder, thus the reason the investigation continues into his death. The media needs to keep in mind that even though David lived his life in the spotlight through his movies & charitable functions he does still have a family out there that is feeling the enourmous pain of his passing more so than any fan could ever. I read right after his death that his niece stated that he was the rock that held their family together & that she didn’t know how the family would survive without him. I believe instead of his 3rd wife & the media spreading gossip & spectulations around about his alleged sexual desires, they should instead send out positive energy & prayers to his family in hopes they too can find peace & enlightenment to carry on with their lives & give them comfort just as “Uncle David” did that changed his life forever. May each and every person that reads this post find peace & enlightenment as well. And those of you in the media & this particular author of this article…..The world today is such a harsh place to live in with all the war, greed, chaos and so forth, you really don’t need to be making up things to sale papers or draw viewing circulations to websites. David’s 3rd wife was seeking her 15 minutes of fame & now she has it. Leave the man to RIP and let his family heal as well. If you wish to continue the stories then wait a year & ask the family for a follow up interview to see how they are doing & to let them know so many still care about them as well as David. I offer my deepest heartfelt sympathies to his family.



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Sammi

posted June 15, 2009 at 1:05 pm


A friend of mine once described to me how she and her uncle cleaned the floor after her father’s suicide. “I got so turned on watching my uncle’s hands,” she anguished. “Isn’t that sick?”
“No,” I told her. “The presence of death makes us want to create more life. Sex and death are as closely connected as sex and life. And your attraction to his brother was a deep desire to resurrect you father. Not only is it not sick, it’s not even weird.”
I wouldn’t personally engage in such degrees of autoeroticism as Carradine may—or may not—have, but sex is never really plain vanilla. Or I should say the more plain vanilla the top scoop, the more likely the scoop underneath to be an exotic flavor. Shock, titillation, or disgust about the extremes of the bell curve of sexuality says more about the conservatism of the beholder than about the morality of the doer. If the allegations are true, they don’t make me think less of Carradine.
I’m with MarAli on this one. Thomas Merton died when an electrical appliance fell into his bathtub. I said, “I guess he died enlightened.”



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Chiron

posted June 15, 2009 at 1:21 pm


Speaking of enough, enough with the dead celebrity adulation. Yet another one of his wives has attested to his predilictions. When you play Russian Roulette, sometimes you get the bullet.



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topshag01

posted June 16, 2009 at 11:54 am


Simple stated, it is as it is. No More. No Less.



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topshag01

posted June 16, 2009 at 12:01 pm


I did forget to mention that his hands were tied when they found him hanging in the closet. Apparently, he had some help that may have gone terribly wrong. This is a common death though as it happened to a high school friend of my wife. Whoever may have been his accomplice bugged out after the accident.
Also, I’m in agreement about the prostheletizing of actors/actresses. It never ceases to amaze me how people grieve over their heroes….dropping off bushels of flowers, and midnight candel vigels as if they personally knew them. How pathetic.



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