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Lucifer: Satan, or Venus?

Friday July 10, 2009

Categories: Mysteries, Religion, Venus
by Lynn HayesI was taking in my daily dose of hilarity on Matthew's blog this morning where he has a post about asteroids that begins with a comment about Lincoln's Sun being conjunct Lucifer which has caused some astrologers to...
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Rollan McCleary
July 11, 2009 2:11 AM

I wonder if there isn’t a mistake here and you or some writer that’s getting cited doesn’t mean that Obama rather than Lincoln has Lucifer conjunct his sun - as is the case.

If there is any significance in that kind of conjunction we must recall that any conjunction is very for or against something and can set up major conflicts. Accordingly a Lucifer conjunction could mean that an individual or people influencing the individual was in some way very for or opposed by things Luciferic. Actually, some time back after reading charts of Satanists and others I came to the conclusion that asteroid Lucifer can be considered the devil as light and Malin (French for devil) the devil as darkness. I was also aware that these two asteroids appear highly potent and descriptively placed in the chart I use for Christ in which incidentally, Malin is loosely conjunct Morgenstern (Morning Star).

I don’t at all believe Obama is the Antichrist (though I do believe he’s a bit of an actor and pied piper!) but I would always have to allow the possibility that he - or anyone - could somehow become spokesperson for various demonic or Antichrist ideas. That has to be the case to the extent, beyond astrology, from the scriptural standpoint there is a type of Christ denial which belongs to the Spirit of Antichrist and can make the person an Antichrist without their being “the” Antichrist i.e The Antichrist is at once archetype and figure of prophecy.

Theoretically, seeing Obama long attended a church which taught Judaism is a gutter religion and that he (Obama) apparently has no real concept of the afterlife and many other things that would normally accompany Christian belief this is a leader could become a sitting duck to the novelties of any false prophet that might arise. Years ago for what it’s worth, Jeane Dixon forecast that it would be chiefly America and its media that would foist the Antichrist phenomenon upon the world. Who knows, therefore, if Obama wouldn’t play the devil as light role and help promote such a person and their false philosophy if they appeared? I don’t say that will happen, I merely suggest we must be open to all possible meanings and potentials of even the strangest astrological significators.

DD
July 11, 2009 3:07 AM

In Tarot, the key that represents The Devil, is also attributed to the Archangel Uriel, meaning Light of God. The astrological sign attributed to The Devil Key is Capricorn which begins at the point where the Light returns - Winter Solstice. So many hints across so many cultures!

Southeast0027
July 11, 2009 6:37 AM
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Very enlightening debate!

alternate history
July 11, 2009 1:49 PM

The interesting thing is that some believe that this morning star was not in fact venus and in fact was another planet that had been destroyed.
the saying goes that "the fallen angel brings about sin".
It goes on to talk about how the waters were poisoned with salt and sulfer.
I have read someone who believed based on Babylonian and Sumerian text referring to gods that there used to be a planet called Tiamat. It was a planet almost entirely made of ocean, and the sun would shine and reflect so that it was so bright that it was seen at all times, as if it was a second sun.
This guy believes that the plannet was hit by a shooting star and the planet Tiamat then got caught in the earth's vacum. Part of the remains are the moon, and the other part is the astroid belt. As the planet got caught in the earth's orbit it's oceans were absorbed, and our gravitational pull was stronger pulling in large bodies of water. In addition, some chunks of the planet crashed down into the earth forming huge craters. This also would explain the great flood which is talked about in every single land mass on the earth. So the guy also believes that the earth was once mostly land and there were really no oceans until this cataclysmic event.

the remains of the planet is the earth's moon (babylonian moon god was called sin) This explains why it looks like it's been hit by astroids. Sin today became associated with all things bad and evil, Interestingly enough, the words "cat-astro-phe"(litterally means destruction or evil influence of star) and "dis-astre" (broken apart star) are associated with anything horrible.

This would also explain how the the prince of darkness was also the bringer of light, as the sun's reflections off Tiamat were seen most before the sun came up, and it appeared to bring the forthcoming light of the sun. And it ruled over the darkness, being the ONE brightest ball of light, luminating the sky apearing to be the ruler of night time, or ruler of darkness. This explains why all things evil are associated with it as well. I have heard others describe that the planets of Tiamat and Venus colided,and also from elsewhere even that Venus used to be Tiamat, and the moon was the remains of the astroid.

Lynn Hayes
July 12, 2009 8:28 AM
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This sounds like Zecharia Sitchin's work. Michael Tsarion writes that when this planet exploded its oceans flooded the earth, thus creating the deluge that was Noah's flood and the flood of earlier deluge so-called myths.

Samudra
July 12, 2009 12:30 PM

Satan is, etymologically, a corruption of Saturn. In the OT, Satan is the Adversary, as is Saturn/Chronos/Time. In the Book of Job, Satan can do nothing (such as afflict Job) without God's permission. In my opinion, each of us has to contend with the Adversary in our lives, just as Jesus had to in the story of his temptation in the desert, but the conflict is personal, like Job's and Jesus's. I’ve always though that during their temptations, Saturn was at a troublesome point in their charts.
Not until the Manicheans and Gnostics and such does the Force of Evil come to be seen as powerful enough to win any ultimate conflict with the Force of Good. When the early Church tried to excise these "heresies," it didn't excise them completely, so the Bible as it survives contains vestiges of them that conflict with its main message of redemption through love.
I'm not saying an Ultimate Conflict in which Evil has a possibility of trouncing Good isn't possible, just that the Biblical support for it is bad scholarship on the part of the early Church as well as on the part of modern believers. After all, Mammon is everywhere worshiped, love no longer connotes charity, and greed may yet destroy the ecosystem that supports our lives.
As for the Antichrist, I take a historical approach: he was Nero.

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