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There’s an interesting discussion on the message boards of my “Relapse: The Waiting Place” post and “What Makes People Relapse?” post about whether or not a person can fully recover from depression. Is depression like cancer … in that we hope for remission, not a cure?
Reader Eddygh writes this:
As someone who suffers from depression and works in the field of Mental Health, it not “if” a person will relapse, but “when.” I am predisposed to depression and when something like a death of a close person in my life I will fall back into it. I tried the “bootstrap” method and it just made things worse. I have faith but God gave depression to keep me humble.
Beyond Blue’s regular poster Margaret says:
To me, the issue of a “cure” for the black dog is as close to asinine as anything can come! Even those members of the human race who don’t–lucky them!–suffer from depression as an illness or constant companion experience mood swings from day to day. Sometimes these are what I call reactive, as when a loved one passes away, others are merely one of the many rooms in that mansion we know as life. We can’t pinpoint a logical life experience which has made us blue or, conversely, happy. We simply are. Cite hormones or neurotransmitters misfiring or endorphins if you like, but we awaken with a certain feeling for whatever reason.
I long ago gave up on finding a “magic pill” that would allow me to consciously choose a given state of mind in the same way that I reluctantly abandoned the dream of having the “prize Patrol” show up at my door. It would be nice, but what are the chances? Perhaps the day will dawn when I’m proven wrong, if it does, I will be celebrating with the rest of you, but as I have made a conscious decision to live in the here and now, I won’t be holding my breath.
Being the proverbial “cockeyed optimist” is akin to setting myself for a long fall into the very depths of the abyss to battle the snakes which make it their home, and I choose not to take that risk.
On the other hand, it gets to be extremely tiresome to be told that I can choose not to be depressed, and tells me that the speaker has never been close enough to the black dog to even see its teeth let alone be bitten by them.
Yes, we have choices, but there are limits to them. What I CAN choose is to continue to work at it instead of just hanging my head and wishing for my own plane to go into a nosedive. One of the ways in which I attempt to do that is by reading Beyond Blue to remind myself that this path might be lonely, yet I AM NOT ALONE.
Other proactive steps such as journaling, remaining committed to therapy, and taking the meds which do give me SOME relief on some days are also a part of my arsenal for survival. And I bless Therese and others who have shared their own techniques on her blog for giving me further ammunition.
I haven’t yet come to understand why it is that knowing others share my misery is comforting knowledge, nor do I think it really matters why, but all of you who bother to respond and share should know that there are many like myself who have used your methods and benefited from your willingness to discuss one of those ‘not for polite company’ topics.
Thank you! I pray that each of us will find the courage and stamina to not give up since that is the one thing which guarantees the light at the end of the tunnel WILL be a speeding freight train intent on mowing us down! “Hang in there” seems a trite phrase, but it’s what we all must do nonetheless. Together we can celebrate our days (even hours) of near ‘normal’ moods and our combined prayers for one another may eventually bear fruit in the form of a “cure” There was a time when that seemed a pipe dream for polio and other physical ailments too! (That’s my ‘cockeyed’ persona breaking through and demanding equal time!) So not only must we each ‘hang in’, we must each commit to the struggle! Giving up is not an option!
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posted August 9, 2007 at 11:59 am
I think both medical research and just good ol’ intuition will tell you that a recovery from major/unipolar depression may (MAY) be possible for some — it won’t be for others, sadly.
But full recovery (“cure”) from bipolar disorder is well-nigh impossible. It must be accepted as a lifelong condition to be managed, like diabetes, and for that matter today like HIV.
posted August 9, 2007 at 4:35 pm
We like to say that depression comes in episodes. So you recover from one, but why would you think you’ll never have another. That’s like saying you’ll never get another strep throat.
posted August 9, 2007 at 6:42 pm
So sorry. Yes, perhaps the cancer analogy is an appropriate one – we are waiting for the other shoe to drop – I try to convince myself that it won’t this time – (I just had such a great period) – but there it is again…You are very courageous to admit that to your readers, but by doing so, I think ironically you are doing them all a great favor. We have to acknowledge that these “relapses” exist and that even someone who is functioning at such a high level can just go flat…Otherwise we think that it’s just us – and that we are failing somehow instead of coping. I haven’t been able to confront that in that little blog I started on med3q – maybe this will inspire me.
all best to you….
posted August 9, 2007 at 6:54 pm
have had one episode since 1993 and till today
most md thing i don’t try hard enough after 25 different meds and combinations thereof. none have wondered if other tests might help
on one seems to be curious about why this has happened to such a vital person. real drag getting through each day.
posted August 10, 2007 at 4:44 pm
T.M., please crawl back under your rock …
posted August 10, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I think this is a very interesting topic. Whenever I go see Shrinky and tell her I’m rolling back down my horrible hill, she says, “No you’re not, you’re just experiencing life. And here we learn how to deal with it together. No big deal.” Huh? But she’s right, for me at least. She’s training me how to stop punishing myself for my emotional state and thoughts.
There are days when I become hysterically sad, and I start to worry that I’m going over the deep end and will never come back. I’ve been in and out of serious depression modes for years and had decided that was “just the way I am.” But now, I’m learning how to look at it differently–it’s hard to explain, but it goes something like this: Say I’m having a horrible day and my thoughts are spinning out of control (like MONDAY, for example…hee hee). When the evil thoughts start coming in about what a failure I am for not “healing” properly, I remind myself that fighting against depression and the negative feelings I have is a process. Some days I’m up; some I’m down. And I CAN’T beat myself up for the down days. Now, I try to accept them (although this is super hard). When I’m crying, I call a loved one (usually my parents) and say, “I’m crying. I’m sad. I’m really really sad. I hate everything.” And then I bawl my eyes out. I used to fight it, and that was what made it worse. I would tell myself to NOT cry and to NOT feel it. I would try to force myself to cheer up. Then I would beat myself up for not being strong enough to cheer myself up. Now I just cry and cry, and afterwards I feel better. Then I say to myself, “Well done. You just bawled it all out, and tomorrow it won’t seem so bad.” Sorry–gigantic response.
But I also felt this way at Blogher. Instead of saying, “I have anxiety, so I can’t go to that,” I told myself, “Yes, you’re afraid of crowds. When you get there, if you freak out, you’ll just go outside.” Amazingly, it worked. Anticipation of the event is always worse than the event for me. OK, all done now.
posted August 12, 2007 at 1:42 am
My 51st birthday has just come to a close and I read, with interest, Beyond Blue Blog for the first time tonight. My active struggle with depression dates back to my teens (perhaps before?), but knocked me over like a bowling pin during the summer of my 29th year.
With two hospitalizations and three additional relapses over the past 22 years, I have learned quite a bit about myself, family & friends, strangers and my God. Whether one experiences cancer, MS, traumatic brain injury, abusive, inappropriate or non-existent parenting: no one leaves this life unscathed; but there is a reason and greater purpose.
Pain, whether mental or physical, can be used as a learning tool to grow spiritually, or not. That is the choice we are given once the pain flares. Pain, like a hammer, can be used constructively or destructively. Again, a choice.
Five years and two relapses into my Masters from the School of Hard Knocks, my wellness was tested by the Professor at a grocery store. While attempting to choose between butter and ‘I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter’ test-anxiety kicked in and, near tears, I spent the next half hour trying to look casual while fretting over which choice was the ‘right’ one.
The true choice I was faced with that day was whether or not to share that experience with my shopping partner, thereby exposing my fear and pride to the light of day. We would have had a good laugh and conversation about modern day marketing. Instead I chose to hide out in other aisles (and in my own mind) and was in a locked ward two weeks and many sleepless nights later.
There is always a choice but, it has nothing to do with butter.
posted August 15, 2007 at 8:00 am
Along with many posters here, I am also plagued by anxiety and depression. Currently in mid 50′s and only recently diagnosed but thank God, I have discovered the reason for my unusually overreaction to life situations and accompanying symptomatology, (unreasonable guilt, etc.)
Your comment, Therese, adequately sums up what we can do to turn an otherwise negative situation into rather a positive:
“Pain, whether mental or physical, can be used as a learning tool to grow spiritually, or not. That is the choice we are given once the pain flares. Pain, like a hammer, can be used constructively or destructively. Again, a choice.” …Inspiring words, and may God bless you.