Also in yesterday's "Washington Post," was a wonderful article about the group Active Minds, founded by Malmon to promote dialogue about mental health on college campuses. She lost her older brother, Brian, to suicide in 2002, when he was a...
My brother took his life on March 1, 2005. I'm still not certain that I have grasped the finality of it. I keep thinking if I just drive over to his home, there he'll be, happy to see me. But, in the intervening two and a half years, his wife went through the 'grieving process' and remarried. I'm not there yet. I still wonder what in the h'll kept me from going over there and camping out with him until all was well once more. But I didn't know of the depth of his pain - so I was blissfully ignorant. I'm still sad and blue. I miss him.
Perhaps missing him was what drew me to Beyond Blue. Maybe this is the way I pay pennance? I like the feeling of belonging. My meds were helpful during the depths of my journey. They were a survival tool. But the real healing comes from inter'action'. I know now that my inablility to 'lift a finger' was just one of the symptom/results - but the h'll of it is one baby step can pull me out of the grips of the quagmire. I know this now - action is survival. But I don't want to just survive, I want to prosper. My prosperity seems to be possible when I'm doing something for another. Perhaps that is what Active Minds does. But sometimes I just want to quit thinking so much. I want to be at rest and at peace and just r-e-l-a-x. Ahhh...
Surely, goodness and mercy...
Frank,
Cully
November 7, 2007 11:39 AM
Frank,
the ache will get softer and the desire to drive over or call will fade, but the missing them never goes away. You wrote, "I still wonder what in the h'll kept me from going over there and camping out with him until all was well once more. But I didn't know of the depth of his pain - so I was blissfully ignorant," and I know what you are saying... I *think* that we are meant to be blissfully ignorant. Your brother loved you.
You also wrote, "But I don't want to just survive, I want to prosper. My prosperity seems to be possible when I'm doing something for another." FrankO!! from your self-esteem file I would say YOU ARE DOING PLENTY :-)
love and Blessings,
Cully
Larry Parker
November 7, 2007 12:06 PM
The story of Cho Seung-Hui at Virginia Tech is a tragedy of the highest order that can and should never be forgotten.
At the same time, I am sure at least 32 -- no, far more than 32 -- Americans commit suicide every day. A few of them might be "Dr. Kevorkian" type situations in the elderly, but most of them are from depression.
We need to keep perspective. Big time.
Margaret Balyeat
November 7, 2007 3:22 PM
Larry: Have you moved into my brain with Therese? I know the two of you are friends, but it's getting downright spooky to find you echoing my own thoughts here before I get the chance to post them mysellf! Kudos to those dedicated individuals who are reaching out to students on college campuses. One frightening thought...those same campuses are the very places many depressed individuals learn to self-medicate with alcohol and other "recreationakl" substances.. a perfect recipie for DISASTER when coupled with clinical depression or any other mental disorder, especially keeping in mind that the neuropsychiatrist who began treating me after my stroke informed me that the same gene which carries the propensity for alcoholism has been recently linked to both diabetes melitis (sp?...oh, H***!, Adult-onset diabetes!) AND bipolar disorders, which was one of the things he looked at when making his (mis, in my opinion0diagnosis of my disorder being bipolar II rather than unipolar depression which was what i'd been previously diagnosed and treated for. That coupled with my gistory of fiscal irresponsibility and a (very Brief two week or so period of promiscuity during my younger years were what he termed the "flags" now, this man is highly respected in Michigan medical circles, but surely revery individual who files for bankruptcy and/or goes through a less-than-prudent period of sexuality isn't bipolar! Without having ever experienced a period of mania, hyper or otherwise, I find that diagnosis difficult to claim! (To be honest, a moment or two of "feeling invincible would be a welcome change from the usual I'm-no-good mental state with which I've coped for years!
And Frank, listen to Cully! Camping out at your brothers wouldn't have prevented him from taking his life if he was determined to do so. i've been through two suicides with my son (one thirteen-year-old buddy and later a beloved Little League coach and father of another friend, so I know it's very easy to fall into "survivor's guilt" but that's just another trick of the dog's! Short of commitment to a mental health facility, there's really no way to stop someone who is bent on killing themselves, and even THAT isn't always successful! your brother didn't really want to kill himself, he just wanted the pain to stop and that was the only wat he (thought) h could accomplish that! My heart goes out to you, my BB friend, and I will lift you in prayer. keep that "surely goodness and mercy..." quote uppermost in your mind! And keep being the man your SEF reveals you to be and that's "pennance" enough. You have clearly impacted/are impacting many lives with the way you live your own, and God can't 9nor doesn't IMHO, ask more of ANY of us!
Nancy
November 7, 2007 3:23 PM
Frank, my heart goes out to you and I pray that you receive the blessings of peace and rest in your heart and mind. When such a tragedy strikes, it is unfortunately all too "normal" and human to question and wonder and even blame ourselves. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It's not your fault, and I hope that you can take some solice in knowing that your brother is at peace and wishes the same for you. I'm sure it saddens him to think of his passing as causing you daily pain. I know in the "psycho-babble" portion, some of us do this self-doubt and questioning as part of the process (what a crappy process).
My mother did this after my father died, unexpectedly over 7 years ago, during the night from a massive heart attack and brain anurysm. I received the "middle of the night phone call from h-ll", which my husband had picked up, and I knew it was not good. Since they were winter birds, retired, they were in Florida. So, with Living Will in hand, I, along with my brother went down to face the end of my father's life with my Mom, after he was on life support for 3 days.
My point is that along with everything else, she too experienced the woulda, coulda, shoulda. Even though my father had been out golfing that day, went out to dinner with my mother and left a message on my voice mail at 7:30 that evening (with my mother talking over him in the background), she still ruminated over whether or not she could have done something to prevent his death.
I do not have a PhD. in Psychology, but it sounds as though it may be part of the passing of any of our loved ones; however, particularly so with the action of suicide. I'm so glad that you came to Beyond Blue. I've read your comments, and you are doing exactly what you set out to do, which is to help others. Frank, there's no penance involved. We all do the best we can, especially with invisible illnesses. I am sure that you would have done anything possible if you had known of your brother's impending decision at the time.
You're so right; while medication is vitally important, the inter"action" is a gift we give ourselves. I have been fortunate to experience the "no strings attached" of giving, without knowing how it would come back to provide me with some of my greatest joys.
With the post itself, Therese, thank you for printing this. We never know who 'recevies' the message and how. Perhaps a young person will read this post at some point and search out this organization for help. To be in college and face all of the pressures and be "cool" along with it, does not mix in well with that age admitting to needing help. Many kids wind up anesthesizing themselves with alcohol and other drugs. Although, I am not saying that is the excuse or reason for all of the binge drinking and partying that goes on. No, Girls Gone Wild is not a video of "depressed young ladies".
To have begun and grown the group of "Active Minds" is a wonderful legacy to her brother, and a valuable coping tool in facing what is almost to much for anyone to bear.
This post re-emphasizes the serious nature and need of knowledge, acceptance and awareness of "mental illness". I pray that in my lifetime, I get to see it viewed from a totally different perspective by our society that it is today.
Jim G
November 9, 2007 12:35 AM
There should probably be a mandatory health screening questionnaire / appointment that all college students have to go through to find out if they might have something brewing.
tina thomas
November 14, 2007 7:40 PM
I agree with the above......mandatory screening questionnaires for all incoming students to a college campus. What a compassionate idea!
Young people often manage to "hold it together" until away from family and old friends..........When faced with the "new" and expectations placed upon them problems surface often with tragic results. We will have arrived as a society when we give mental health as much attention as we do the physical. Thanks. Tina
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My brother took his life on March 1, 2005. I'm still not certain that I have grasped the finality of it. I keep thinking if I just drive over to his home, there he'll be, happy to see me. But, in the intervening two and a half years, his wife went through the 'grieving process' and remarried. I'm not there yet. I still wonder what in the h'll kept me from going over there and camping out with him until all was well once more. But I didn't know of the depth of his pain - so I was blissfully ignorant. I'm still sad and blue. I miss him.
Perhaps missing him was what drew me to Beyond Blue. Maybe this is the way I pay pennance? I like the feeling of belonging. My meds were helpful during the depths of my journey. They were a survival tool. But the real healing comes from inter'action'. I know now that my inablility to 'lift a finger' was just one of the symptom/results - but the h'll of it is one baby step can pull me out of the grips of the quagmire. I know this now - action is survival. But I don't want to just survive, I want to prosper. My prosperity seems to be possible when I'm doing something for another. Perhaps that is what Active Minds does. But sometimes I just want to quit thinking so much. I want to be at rest and at peace and just r-e-l-a-x. Ahhh...
Surely, goodness and mercy...
Frank,
Frank,
the ache will get softer and the desire to drive over or call will fade, but the missing them never goes away. You wrote, "I still wonder what in the h'll kept me from going over there and camping out with him until all was well once more. But I didn't know of the depth of his pain - so I was blissfully ignorant," and I know what you are saying... I *think* that we are meant to be blissfully ignorant. Your brother loved you.
You also wrote, "But I don't want to just survive, I want to prosper. My prosperity seems to be possible when I'm doing something for another." FrankO!! from your self-esteem file I would say YOU ARE DOING PLENTY :-)
love and Blessings,
Cully
The story of Cho Seung-Hui at Virginia Tech is a tragedy of the highest order that can and should never be forgotten.
At the same time, I am sure at least 32 -- no, far more than 32 -- Americans commit suicide every day. A few of them might be "Dr. Kevorkian" type situations in the elderly, but most of them are from depression.
We need to keep perspective. Big time.
Larry: Have you moved into my brain with Therese? I know the two of you are friends, but it's getting downright spooky to find you echoing my own thoughts here before I get the chance to post them mysellf! Kudos to those dedicated individuals who are reaching out to students on college campuses. One frightening thought...those same campuses are the very places many depressed individuals learn to self-medicate with alcohol and other "recreationakl" substances.. a perfect recipie for DISASTER when coupled with clinical depression or any other mental disorder, especially keeping in mind that the neuropsychiatrist who began treating me after my stroke informed me that the same gene which carries the propensity for alcoholism has been recently linked to both diabetes melitis (sp?...oh, H***!, Adult-onset diabetes!) AND bipolar disorders, which was one of the things he looked at when making his (mis, in my opinion0diagnosis of my disorder being bipolar II rather than unipolar depression which was what i'd been previously diagnosed and treated for. That coupled with my gistory of fiscal irresponsibility and a (very Brief two week or so period of promiscuity during my younger years were what he termed the "flags" now, this man is highly respected in Michigan medical circles, but surely revery individual who files for bankruptcy and/or goes through a less-than-prudent period of sexuality isn't bipolar! Without having ever experienced a period of mania, hyper or otherwise, I find that diagnosis difficult to claim! (To be honest, a moment or two of "feeling invincible would be a welcome change from the usual I'm-no-good mental state with which I've coped for years!
And Frank, listen to Cully! Camping out at your brothers wouldn't have prevented him from taking his life if he was determined to do so. i've been through two suicides with my son (one thirteen-year-old buddy and later a beloved Little League coach and father of another friend, so I know it's very easy to fall into "survivor's guilt" but that's just another trick of the dog's! Short of commitment to a mental health facility, there's really no way to stop someone who is bent on killing themselves, and even THAT isn't always successful! your brother didn't really want to kill himself, he just wanted the pain to stop and that was the only wat he (thought) h could accomplish that! My heart goes out to you, my BB friend, and I will lift you in prayer. keep that "surely goodness and mercy..." quote uppermost in your mind! And keep being the man your SEF reveals you to be and that's "pennance" enough. You have clearly impacted/are impacting many lives with the way you live your own, and God can't 9nor doesn't IMHO, ask more of ANY of us!
Frank, my heart goes out to you and I pray that you receive the blessings of peace and rest in your heart and mind. When such a tragedy strikes, it is unfortunately all too "normal" and human to question and wonder and even blame ourselves. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It's not your fault, and I hope that you can take some solice in knowing that your brother is at peace and wishes the same for you. I'm sure it saddens him to think of his passing as causing you daily pain. I know in the "psycho-babble" portion, some of us do this self-doubt and questioning as part of the process (what a crappy process).
My mother did this after my father died, unexpectedly over 7 years ago, during the night from a massive heart attack and brain anurysm. I received the "middle of the night phone call from h-ll", which my husband had picked up, and I knew it was not good. Since they were winter birds, retired, they were in Florida. So, with Living Will in hand, I, along with my brother went down to face the end of my father's life with my Mom, after he was on life support for 3 days.
My point is that along with everything else, she too experienced the woulda, coulda, shoulda. Even though my father had been out golfing that day, went out to dinner with my mother and left a message on my voice mail at 7:30 that evening (with my mother talking over him in the background), she still ruminated over whether or not she could have done something to prevent his death.
I do not have a PhD. in Psychology, but it sounds as though it may be part of the passing of any of our loved ones; however, particularly so with the action of suicide. I'm so glad that you came to Beyond Blue. I've read your comments, and you are doing exactly what you set out to do, which is to help others. Frank, there's no penance involved. We all do the best we can, especially with invisible illnesses. I am sure that you would have done anything possible if you had known of your brother's impending decision at the time.
You're so right; while medication is vitally important, the inter"action" is a gift we give ourselves. I have been fortunate to experience the "no strings attached" of giving, without knowing how it would come back to provide me with some of my greatest joys.
With the post itself, Therese, thank you for printing this. We never know who 'recevies' the message and how. Perhaps a young person will read this post at some point and search out this organization for help. To be in college and face all of the pressures and be "cool" along with it, does not mix in well with that age admitting to needing help. Many kids wind up anesthesizing themselves with alcohol and other drugs. Although, I am not saying that is the excuse or reason for all of the binge drinking and partying that goes on. No, Girls Gone Wild is not a video of "depressed young ladies".
To have begun and grown the group of "Active Minds" is a wonderful legacy to her brother, and a valuable coping tool in facing what is almost to much for anyone to bear.
This post re-emphasizes the serious nature and need of knowledge, acceptance and awareness of "mental illness". I pray that in my lifetime, I get to see it viewed from a totally different perspective by our society that it is today.
There should probably be a mandatory health screening questionnaire / appointment that all college students have to go through to find out if they might have something brewing.
I agree with the above......mandatory screening questionnaires for all incoming students to a college campus. What a compassionate idea!
Young people often manage to "hold it together" until away from family and old friends..........When faced with the "new" and expectations placed upon them problems surface often with tragic results. We will have arrived as a society when we give mental health as much attention as we do the physical. Thanks. Tina
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