In the spirit of Winter Health Week, I am interviewing Beliefnet’s Health Editor for this week’s “How Do You Move Beyond Blue?” segment. Who is that? Why, she is MY editor, Holly Lebowitz Rossi. Until I checked out her...
The honesty and courage to tell the truth because it is a person's real experience whether it is about hard things or things that bring joy and relief is a great gift.
Larry Parker
February 1, 2008 11:17 AM
WE LOVE YOU HOLLY! (In the same way as WE LOVE YOU THERESE!)
So many thoughts ...
First of all, obviously I share your love of dogs, and particularly as "therapy dogs." Schumacher the dachshund has gotten through many a dark day, just as Noodle did for you.
Secondly, what I really like about "How To Stress Less" is that, as you say, stress is an indiscriminate scourge. Obviously (though it's WAY more common that people admit), it's still a small minority of people who have depression -- but EVERYONE has stress. There, in your group, we are all on equal footing. And sometimes I learn things that are not "the basics" in self-care, or even strictly alternative medicine, that I can incorporate as tips. Every little bit helps.
(Though by the "laugh, walk, vent, eat properly, say no" standard, I'm doing OK on self-care, which is comforting.)
Third, while it's not the most hospitable beach in the world in winter, I like you will take the BEAUTY of the rocky New England coast over anywhere in the U.S., including (most certainly!) my own Jersey Shore. I don't get up there enough (sigh) ...
PS -- Holly, have you checked out the "Military Families Support Group" moderated by IHOP and mlyons619 on the social networking side. Do you have any "control" of that as an editor?
Francine Dozois
February 2, 2008 10:48 AM
I found the Anne Morrow Lindbergh reflexion, "Gift from the Sea", so soothingly profound, yet, my next thought was, "Yeah but, my rent and monthly payments, they DON'T have any patience."
I need to RUSH to find a solution to my financial distress. Soon. Everything else depends on this... my mental health, that is. Thus, my very Life. Just the THOUGHT of having to go back to a job that goes so against my core nature (therefore, so ANTI-JOY), brings me closer to the Abyss, once again. I'm faced with the choice of, going to work and feel like dying, or, not going to work within a month, run out of money, and feel like dying. I really don't feel patient, one bit. But I will read that quote again, and again, and maybe it will calm me down, some. So, THANK YOU for that.
And Larry, I really do not agree. "...still a small minority of people who have depression..." Well, I look around and around, and around, and this is not the picture I see... even if I take into account, the grey filter over my eyes. Denial, is what I see. But I do love that you share your thoughts, that you do find good news and that you are trying to understand. So, yes, THANK YOU.
Francine
Francine Dozois
February 2, 2008 11:07 AM
Oh! And you know what the irony is. I am a sailor!!! (on cargo ships)... not at all as romantic as it used to be. Not even almost. So, I guess, after so many years, the sea hadn't taught me its best part, yet. I may try to look at it differently, on my next ship. Who knows? I might get it, this time around.
Francine
Margaret Balyeat
February 2, 2008 11:39 AM
Francine, I may be wrong, but I think the "huddled masses yearning to be happy" (thank you Ezra Pound) whom you see are people reacting to a particular situation with sadness or depression rather than those of us who must battle it 24/7. Not to minimize unipolar depression, because it, too, is a lightless place, or can be, but it isn't, IMHO, as all-consuming as clinical or bipolar depression is where you need no REASON to slide into the abyss but rather simply live there much of the timne no matter what positive things are going on in your life. And unfortunately, as there's famous "They Just don't Gwt It" post so beautifully verbelizes, only one who spends serious dwelling time in the abyass can truly relate to the miasma which envelps everything we see/do/say/see. That said, I'm so sorry you're faced with the financial "non-choices" you describe; I've been there, and sadly, the song "Money makes The world Go Around" is all too true. You have been added to my prayer list, specifically that G-d will provide you with a way that you musn't sacrifice either the money you need to live or the satisfaction with happiness the job; both are important, at leastIMHO. Don't give up, the journey to find such an occupation is long and riddled with quagmires, but in the end worth the trek. Job satisfaction (both fiscally and in terms of personal needs) is a struggle for many these days. Sometimes I think we must be creative in finding ways to adapt the job to meet our personal needs (ANOTHER monumental and at times. depemding on your supervisors, IMPOSSIBLE task. Is there ANY aspect of your job which allows you to give of yourself? For me, that's proven to have been the key to satisfaction through the years, both in terms of co-worker relationships and the job itself. I will continue to keep you in my prayers until I hear that your problem has resolved and things have eased for you at least a bit.
Margaret Balyeat
February 2, 2008 5:28 PM
I'm embarrassed to discover that not only did I misquote the poem in my above port, I attributed it to the wrong poetas well! Emma Lazaruswrote the words which are engraved on Miss liberty's base, not Ezra Pound! And it's BREATHE free, not BE free. Good thing i only minored in English at college rather than majored, huh?
Francine Dozois
February 3, 2008 5:55 PM
Dear Margaret,
just read your comments and you cannot believe how much it went straight to my heart. It touched me to no end. I love you already... and forever. Thank you so.
As for the number of people with depression, you do have a point, in you're all talking about clinical depression. But I still think that it is WAY under-diagnosed/reported.
As for the job, there are only a few good news left about it, now... but exactly what keeps me hooked, at the same time (it's very hard to adapt to shore life, because of this. I have tried).
One, the money is interesting... And right now, I simply could not afford to make anything less because I just could NOT make ends meet, period.
The other good news about my job is that it does END, (as opposed to a regular Monday to Friday job, for years at the time). I can work for one, two, three months (seven days a week, though!), depending, and be a couple of months off, IF I really choose to... though, going less and less, is basically what keeps me in poverty, but when I'm back, I am so destroyed now, that it takes me at least a month to find myself again. The last trip was a five-month torture I actually thought I would NEVER get over from.
As much as I enjoyed doing this years ago, I so don't belong, anymore, it makes me cringe. The shipmates and co-workers are just not what they used to be, either.
Margaret, I so want to thank you, once again, for your compassion and your prayers. Boy! Isn't that just wonderful... two complete strangers, only a minute ago... though you just don't feel like a stranger to me, now.
I will pray for you, as well. This might work.
Francine
Francine Dozois
February 3, 2008 8:14 PM
By-the-way Margaret,
I realize we were not such complete strangers after all, since I had taken good note of our previous encounter on this blog (which I greatly appreciated). I guess what I meant to say today is, you touched me at an even deeper level and I am so grateful to you about it.
As for you feeling embarrassed about that quote, we ALL have those moments we all would rather forget, don't we? Welcome to the human world!
Have a great day.
Francine
hello and beyond
February 4, 2008 8:39 PM
Very interesting article.. sure we all can move beyond blue. However what the end and do we really want to….. wanli ferris
Lynne
February 6, 2008 8:22 AM
Re: Hello and beyond, You bring up an interesting and somewhat disturbing question. "Sure we all can move beyond blue...do we really want to?" I had a friend who made a suggestion to me as to why I always seemed to be attracted to the same type of job situation. People who were way too demanding and critical. She said it was because...it was familiar. That freaked me out on the spot! It was what I was used to all my life. I guess it's the hamster-on-the-wheel syndrome. It may be hell but it's home. I think I could use a good life coach to break the cycle of defeat. I would if I could afford one! So gentle readers please offer some good advice. I am listening.
Francine Dozois
February 6, 2008 1:08 PM
Hi, Margaret!
I don't know if it's BECAUSE of your prayers, but, unexpectedly, I just shipped out... and on what SEEMS to be a bit of a better boat. We'll see.
As much as I hate the idea of leaving, I really had to, before the end of this month, so, I feel a certain sense of relief. Will be gone 4 to 6 weeks.
Thanks for the comforting words.
Francine
Anonymous
May 4, 2008 1:44 PM
moMoving beyond blue is a very interesting article. It moves you to look inward towards yourself and find the finality for the universe in a very diatomic way. There where reality becomes become a relative issue wanly ferris in a sense that is common to the average thinker.
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The honesty and courage to tell the truth because it is a person's real experience whether it is about hard things or things that bring joy and relief is a great gift.
WE LOVE YOU HOLLY! (In the same way as WE LOVE YOU THERESE!)
So many thoughts ...
First of all, obviously I share your love of dogs, and particularly as "therapy dogs." Schumacher the dachshund has gotten through many a dark day, just as Noodle did for you.
Secondly, what I really like about "How To Stress Less" is that, as you say, stress is an indiscriminate scourge. Obviously (though it's WAY more common that people admit), it's still a small minority of people who have depression -- but EVERYONE has stress. There, in your group, we are all on equal footing. And sometimes I learn things that are not "the basics" in self-care, or even strictly alternative medicine, that I can incorporate as tips. Every little bit helps.
(Though by the "laugh, walk, vent, eat properly, say no" standard, I'm doing OK on self-care, which is comforting.)
Third, while it's not the most hospitable beach in the world in winter, I like you will take the BEAUTY of the rocky New England coast over anywhere in the U.S., including (most certainly!) my own Jersey Shore. I don't get up there enough (sigh) ...
PS -- Holly, have you checked out the "Military Families Support Group" moderated by IHOP and mlyons619 on the social networking side. Do you have any "control" of that as an editor?
I found the Anne Morrow Lindbergh reflexion, "Gift from the Sea", so soothingly profound, yet, my next thought was, "Yeah but, my rent and monthly payments, they DON'T have any patience."
I need to RUSH to find a solution to my financial distress. Soon. Everything else depends on this... my mental health, that is. Thus, my very Life. Just the THOUGHT of having to go back to a job that goes so against my core nature (therefore, so ANTI-JOY), brings me closer to the Abyss, once again. I'm faced with the choice of, going to work and feel like dying, or, not going to work within a month, run out of money, and feel like dying. I really don't feel patient, one bit. But I will read that quote again, and again, and maybe it will calm me down, some. So, THANK YOU for that.
And Larry, I really do not agree. "...still a small minority of people who have depression..." Well, I look around and around, and around, and this is not the picture I see... even if I take into account, the grey filter over my eyes. Denial, is what I see. But I do love that you share your thoughts, that you do find good news and that you are trying to understand. So, yes, THANK YOU.
Francine
Oh! And you know what the irony is. I am a sailor!!! (on cargo ships)... not at all as romantic as it used to be. Not even almost. So, I guess, after so many years, the sea hadn't taught me its best part, yet. I may try to look at it differently, on my next ship. Who knows? I might get it, this time around.
Francine
Francine, I may be wrong, but I think the "huddled masses yearning to be happy" (thank you Ezra Pound) whom you see are people reacting to a particular situation with sadness or depression rather than those of us who must battle it 24/7. Not to minimize unipolar depression, because it, too, is a lightless place, or can be, but it isn't, IMHO, as all-consuming as clinical or bipolar depression is where you need no REASON to slide into the abyss but rather simply live there much of the timne no matter what positive things are going on in your life. And unfortunately, as there's famous "They Just don't Gwt It" post so beautifully verbelizes, only one who spends serious dwelling time in the abyass can truly relate to the miasma which envelps everything we see/do/say/see. That said, I'm so sorry you're faced with the financial "non-choices" you describe; I've been there, and sadly, the song "Money makes The world Go Around" is all too true. You have been added to my prayer list, specifically that G-d will provide you with a way that you musn't sacrifice either the money you need to live or the satisfaction with happiness the job; both are important, at leastIMHO. Don't give up, the journey to find such an occupation is long and riddled with quagmires, but in the end worth the trek. Job satisfaction (both fiscally and in terms of personal needs) is a struggle for many these days. Sometimes I think we must be creative in finding ways to adapt the job to meet our personal needs (ANOTHER monumental and at times. depemding on your supervisors, IMPOSSIBLE task. Is there ANY aspect of your job which allows you to give of yourself? For me, that's proven to have been the key to satisfaction through the years, both in terms of co-worker relationships and the job itself. I will continue to keep you in my prayers until I hear that your problem has resolved and things have eased for you at least a bit.
I'm embarrassed to discover that not only did I misquote the poem in my above port, I attributed it to the wrong poetas well! Emma Lazaruswrote the words which are engraved on Miss liberty's base, not Ezra Pound! And it's BREATHE free, not BE free. Good thing i only minored in English at college rather than majored, huh?
Dear Margaret,
just read your comments and you cannot believe how much it went straight to my heart. It touched me to no end. I love you already... and forever. Thank you so.
As for the number of people with depression, you do have a point, in you're all talking about clinical depression. But I still think that it is WAY under-diagnosed/reported.
As for the job, there are only a few good news left about it, now... but exactly what keeps me hooked, at the same time (it's very hard to adapt to shore life, because of this. I have tried).
One, the money is interesting... And right now, I simply could not afford to make anything less because I just could NOT make ends meet, period.
The other good news about my job is that it does END, (as opposed to a regular Monday to Friday job, for years at the time). I can work for one, two, three months (seven days a week, though!), depending, and be a couple of months off, IF I really choose to... though, going less and less, is basically what keeps me in poverty, but when I'm back, I am so destroyed now, that it takes me at least a month to find myself again. The last trip was a five-month torture I actually thought I would NEVER get over from.
As much as I enjoyed doing this years ago, I so don't belong, anymore, it makes me cringe. The shipmates and co-workers are just not what they used to be, either.
Margaret, I so want to thank you, once again, for your compassion and your prayers. Boy! Isn't that just wonderful... two complete strangers, only a minute ago... though you just don't feel like a stranger to me, now.
I will pray for you, as well. This might work.
Francine
By-the-way Margaret,
I realize we were not such complete strangers after all, since I had taken good note of our previous encounter on this blog (which I greatly appreciated). I guess what I meant to say today is, you touched me at an even deeper level and I am so grateful to you about it.
As for you feeling embarrassed about that quote, we ALL have those moments we all would rather forget, don't we? Welcome to the human world!
Have a great day.
Francine
Very interesting article.. sure we all can move beyond blue. However what the end and do we really want to….. wanli ferris
Re: Hello and beyond, You bring up an interesting and somewhat disturbing question. "Sure we all can move beyond blue...do we really want to?" I had a friend who made a suggestion to me as to why I always seemed to be attracted to the same type of job situation. People who were way too demanding and critical. She said it was because...it was familiar. That freaked me out on the spot! It was what I was used to all my life. I guess it's the hamster-on-the-wheel syndrome. It may be hell but it's home. I think I could use a good life coach to break the cycle of defeat. I would if I could afford one! So gentle readers please offer some good advice. I am listening.
Hi, Margaret!
I don't know if it's BECAUSE of your prayers, but, unexpectedly, I just shipped out... and on what SEEMS to be a bit of a better boat. We'll see.
As much as I hate the idea of leaving, I really had to, before the end of this month, so, I feel a certain sense of relief. Will be gone 4 to 6 weeks.
Thanks for the comforting words.
Francine
moMoving beyond blue is a very interesting article. It moves you to look inward towards yourself and find the finality for the universe in a very diatomic way. There where reality becomes become a relative issue wanly ferris in a sense that is common to the average thinker.
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