Apparently I upset a few folks in my recent video, the interview with Eric and Mr. Guardian Angel, "Being Married to a Manic Depressive," when I used the term "whackjob" to describe MYSELF. I sincerely apologize for offending anyone by...
To quote Mr. Roger's:
"I like you just the way you are." ^I^
momma1
May 14, 2008 6:33 PM
Therese, I KNOW YOU DONT KNOW ME AND IVE COME UPON YOUR VIDEO A VERY DEAR AND CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE HELPED ME COME IN BEYOND THE BLUE IVE YET NOT REALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET IN CHAT ROOMS WITH PEOPLE LOL I AM NOT A COMPUTER WIZ BY NO MEANS BUT LISTENING TO YOUR VIDEO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY FROM MYSELF I CANT SEE PEOPLE UPSET OR MAYBE I JUST DONT KN OW WHY. I CAN RELATE TO YOU I AM ONE WHO DOES NOT SPEAK OUT ALOT OF MY OWN HIDDEN DEMONS YET I TRY IN SOME WAYS LONG STORY SHORT IN MY OPINION YOU DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN OR SUGAR COAT HOW YOU FEEL AT THAT TIME WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND JUST KNOW THERE ARE SOME OF US MYSELF UNDERSTAND PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND FAMILY THE NEW LADY ON THE BLOCK
Larry Parker
May 14, 2008 8:25 PM
Therese:
You are the "funnest" person I know. (Well, maybe except for my girlfriend, LOL.) I'm sure your dad is smiling down -- make that laughing down -- toward you.
Here's something that happened to me recently, not so good.
I work in a Mike Bloomberg-type "bullpen" in my new job with three other people -- a Latino, an African-American, and a Caribbean immigrant. I'm the token white guy of course (which I can call myself because I'm, well, the token white guy).
We usually get along because we all have highly sarcastic senses of humor -- ranging from dry to acid.
Anyway, the Caribbean lady was a little grouchy coming in one morning.
The Latino guy promptly said, "Wow, somebody's bipolar today."
He, the Caribbean lady and the African-American woman promptly burst out into hysterical laughter. Naturally, I didn't.
So then he asked me -- since for any other joke he would have told I'd be doubled over in hysterics -- "Why aren't you laughing?"
I said, truthfully, "Hey, I'm smiling." And I was. With the painted-on face of Pagliacci the sad clown.
Mind you, these are among the most socially conscious, leftist people you would ever want to meet (I'm the conservative in the room, and I'm a liberal Democrat) on all matters ... except one.
Ugh.
Tricia
May 14, 2008 8:38 PM
Momma1,
Welcome to the ((( New Lady on the Block!!!!))) ^I^
Margaret Balyeat
May 15, 2008 5:17 AM
Momma1: I echo Tricia's welcome! IMHO, you've"stubled upon" the ABSOLUTE BEST site on the internet in terms of finding loving, caring, GIVING people. What you'll find here EVRY time you visit is a community of kindred spirits who not only WANT to understand, for the most part, they DO. And or inimitable brave blogmistress is ALSO beyond compare! She takes everything her readers "dish out" and yet responds in love and a spirit of reconcilliation (like she has today with this video) which sets the tone for the rest of us to be accepting of each other's quirks, pet peeves and needs. The wonderful friends I've found here are BEYOND THE PALE!!
tHERESE: i'M IN 100% AGREEMENT ABOUT HAVING THE"RIGHT" TO MAKE CERTAIN KINDSOF COMMENTS BRCAUSE WE'VE EARNED it by virtue of our inclusion in a particular group be it by birth(ethnicity), choice(religious affiliation or cirumstance(mental illness) Besides, life is too short to take offense where none has been intended. The freedom to be our true selves here is a result of the fact that you model itfor us on a daily basis! If YOU were to start feeling you must choose your words more carefully, I wager your popularity would take a HUGE dip! NO ONE is FORCED to log on and hear you "poke fun".I regret tht some have been offended, but you ARE who you are, and most of us are crazy about theperson that is.(Pun intended!) Simply watching/hearing THE NEWS THESE DAYS GIVES US ENOUGH opportunites to cry or be offended;I, for one, am GRATEFUL to know I can come here and nearly always get a chuckle(or at least a smile! ! many blessings upon your head for all the good you do. To paraphrase Billy Joel,"don't go changin' to try and please us,you've never let us down before...we love you just the way you ARE
Dylan Croft
May 15, 2008 7:30 AM
I see nothing wrong in using "the words" when we are talking about ourselves. I often refer to myself as nuts or crazy. It's one way to take the sting out of words that are otherwise offensive. But I also agree that the undiagnosed have not earned the right to use these words, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about. Please, don't change, Therese. We enjoy you just the way you are.
Kevin
May 15, 2008 11:02 AM
I've not reviewed the negative reviews of the "Eric and Mr. Guardian Angel". It doesn't take much to understand how some people might feel offended by the term 'whackjob' being tossed around in reference to people suffering from a brain disease. That said an examination of context, intention of the whackjob throwing in around, and time spent earning the trust and 'right' cast off the PC chains might permit an attorney to ensure the whackjob doesn't end up on deathrow.
I have innumerable un-PC terms to describe whackjobs like Therese. Actually, I use them on a fairly routine basis in working with whackjobs. Without exception, use of such terms invariably neutralizes the deadly seriousness and heaviness of being a whackjob. In fact, people seem to enjoy competitions that require rapid verbalization of whackjob synonyms in response to the one just tossed out by the lunatic supposed to be be playing doctor; a certified and proud lunatic I am.
Therese, I hope you will consider doing a video where you go on for a good 7 minutes throwing out all the Un-PC synonyms for head case as you imitate someone with Tourette's.........why not, it's a blast trading cuss blurts with a talented T-man........laugh on !
Susan Fish
May 15, 2008 1:22 PM
Therese -
Thank you so much for remaining public.
I never would have found you without it...and found out that I, too, am Bipolar...just couldn't figure out what was going o , but knew that I was off.
In your piece about humor, when you spoke about your Dad saying he was worried about you because he was worried about you not having enough fun - I lost it.
I am also very type A, then never quite complete something even doing extremely well at it for fear of not being good enough, or blowing it or something ( so simply decide to 'finish later').
And my Dad before he passed also said to me every time we spoke -
"Go do something fun!" "GO HAVE SOME FUN!".
Wow...
Thanks
Sue
Susan Fish
May 15, 2008 1:25 PM
Oh, Yeah...
I often refer to myself as "Totally Loontickie"
How else can I explain it to someone who hasn't a clue?
Love & Peace to All
Sue
Ariana
May 16, 2008 8:32 AM
I think the ppl who got offended were in the wrong link-the OCD blog was a few up on the page;)
Seriously, I think that it's pretty hypocritical of those that took offense: they want ppl to accept them for who they are, mental illness n all. Yet, they are asking u to be "different" if u want their acceptance, n not to use your humor as a coping method(one that I find works well most of the time!). I also think it was more than appropriate to express this humorous view by referring to YOURSELF-it's not like u found out a neighbor or friend had a mental illness n u maliciously called them a "whackjob".
I am 100% behind u as I feel your site raises awareness n seeks acceptance rather than ridicule for those living w/mental illness. Those that were slighted by your comments couldn't have been loyal site members, or they would know u well enough NOT to be offended.
Anonymous
May 17, 2008 7:36 PM
Using Therese's argument, is it OK for an African American to refer to himself or herself as the "N" word? I guess some would say it would. However, anyone coming up with excuses for using words that would be offensive uttered by others lowers the common discourse of everyone. We simply should not use such terms and have a more civil conversation.
I thought the purpose of this blog was to erase the stigma of mental illness, not perpetuate the stereotypes.
Thanks for considering this point of view.
Anonymous
May 17, 2008 7:53 PM
I commented above regarding not using the it's-OK-if-I-say-whackjob-if-I-am-mentally-ill, but others can't to make the argument to not use humor to defend offensive language. I wish to amend it by saying that I totally agree that humor is one of the best resources of fighting off depression. Lincoln, who was known to be severely depressed, dealt with his illness by telling humorous tales. It's not humor itself that is the problem, it's the nature of the humor.
I am glad Therese apologized for offending others, but she went on to defend herself with a few posts of research on humor and saying why it was OK to say what she said.
Larry Parker
May 19, 2008 11:10 AM
Anonymous:
I think you need to read the Mad Pride entry in Therese's blog on Monday.
I take it you would agree with Dr. Torrey that anyone who is "out there" and activist about their disease is just bitter. (Certainly what my parents think ...)
Anonymous
May 19, 2008 4:33 PM
Larry:
I read the "Mad Pride" article. I don't agree at all that those who are open about the disease are bitter. I don't understand the connection, but I often miss the point of things. :)
I guess my bottom line is that it would be helpful if we all decided that "loopy" and "whackjob" and the n-word and other words against certain ethnicities, etc. were just inappropriate no matter who uses them. Justifying who gets to say them only serves to continue their usage.
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Therese,
To quote Mr. Roger's:
"I like you just the way you are." ^I^
Therese, I KNOW YOU DONT KNOW ME AND IVE COME UPON YOUR VIDEO A VERY DEAR AND CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE HELPED ME COME IN BEYOND THE BLUE IVE YET NOT REALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET IN CHAT ROOMS WITH PEOPLE LOL I AM NOT A COMPUTER WIZ BY NO MEANS BUT LISTENING TO YOUR VIDEO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY FROM MYSELF I CANT SEE PEOPLE UPSET OR MAYBE I JUST DONT KN OW WHY. I CAN RELATE TO YOU I AM ONE WHO DOES NOT SPEAK OUT ALOT OF MY OWN HIDDEN DEMONS YET I TRY IN SOME WAYS LONG STORY SHORT IN MY OPINION YOU DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN OR SUGAR COAT HOW YOU FEEL AT THAT TIME WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND JUST KNOW THERE ARE SOME OF US MYSELF UNDERSTAND PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND FAMILY THE NEW LADY ON THE BLOCK
Therese:
You are the "funnest" person I know. (Well, maybe except for my girlfriend, LOL.) I'm sure your dad is smiling down -- make that laughing down -- toward you.
Here's something that happened to me recently, not so good.
I work in a Mike Bloomberg-type "bullpen" in my new job with three other people -- a Latino, an African-American, and a Caribbean immigrant. I'm the token white guy of course (which I can call myself because I'm, well, the token white guy).
We usually get along because we all have highly sarcastic senses of humor -- ranging from dry to acid.
Anyway, the Caribbean lady was a little grouchy coming in one morning.
The Latino guy promptly said, "Wow, somebody's bipolar today."
He, the Caribbean lady and the African-American woman promptly burst out into hysterical laughter. Naturally, I didn't.
So then he asked me -- since for any other joke he would have told I'd be doubled over in hysterics -- "Why aren't you laughing?"
I said, truthfully, "Hey, I'm smiling." And I was. With the painted-on face of Pagliacci the sad clown.
Mind you, these are among the most socially conscious, leftist people you would ever want to meet (I'm the conservative in the room, and I'm a liberal Democrat) on all matters ... except one.
Ugh.
Momma1,
Welcome to the ((( New Lady on the Block!!!!))) ^I^
Momma1: I echo Tricia's welcome! IMHO, you've"stubled upon" the ABSOLUTE BEST site on the internet in terms of finding loving, caring, GIVING people. What you'll find here EVRY time you visit is a community of kindred spirits who not only WANT to understand, for the most part, they DO. And or inimitable brave blogmistress is ALSO beyond compare! She takes everything her readers "dish out" and yet responds in love and a spirit of reconcilliation (like she has today with this video) which sets the tone for the rest of us to be accepting of each other's quirks, pet peeves and needs. The wonderful friends I've found here are BEYOND THE PALE!!
tHERESE: i'M IN 100% AGREEMENT ABOUT HAVING THE"RIGHT" TO MAKE CERTAIN KINDSOF COMMENTS BRCAUSE WE'VE EARNED it by virtue of our inclusion in a particular group be it by birth(ethnicity), choice(religious affiliation or cirumstance(mental illness) Besides, life is too short to take offense where none has been intended. The freedom to be our true selves here is a result of the fact that you model itfor us on a daily basis! If YOU were to start feeling you must choose your words more carefully, I wager your popularity would take a HUGE dip! NO ONE is FORCED to log on and hear you "poke fun".I regret tht some have been offended, but you ARE who you are, and most of us are crazy about theperson that is.(Pun intended!) Simply watching/hearing THE NEWS THESE DAYS GIVES US ENOUGH opportunites to cry or be offended;I, for one, am GRATEFUL to know I can come here and nearly always get a chuckle(or at least a smile! ! many blessings upon your head for all the good you do. To paraphrase Billy Joel,"don't go changin' to try and please us,you've never let us down before...we love you just the way you ARE
I see nothing wrong in using "the words" when we are talking about ourselves. I often refer to myself as nuts or crazy. It's one way to take the sting out of words that are otherwise offensive. But I also agree that the undiagnosed have not earned the right to use these words, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about. Please, don't change, Therese. We enjoy you just the way you are.
I've not reviewed the negative reviews of the "Eric and Mr. Guardian Angel". It doesn't take much to understand how some people might feel offended by the term 'whackjob' being tossed around in reference to people suffering from a brain disease. That said an examination of context, intention of the whackjob throwing in around, and time spent earning the trust and 'right' cast off the PC chains might permit an attorney to ensure the whackjob doesn't end up on deathrow.
I have innumerable un-PC terms to describe whackjobs like Therese. Actually, I use them on a fairly routine basis in working with whackjobs. Without exception, use of such terms invariably neutralizes the deadly seriousness and heaviness of being a whackjob. In fact, people seem to enjoy competitions that require rapid verbalization of whackjob synonyms in response to the one just tossed out by the lunatic supposed to be be playing doctor; a certified and proud lunatic I am.
Therese, I hope you will consider doing a video where you go on for a good 7 minutes throwing out all the Un-PC synonyms for head case as you imitate someone with Tourette's.........why not, it's a blast trading cuss blurts with a talented T-man........laugh on !
Therese -
Thank you so much for remaining public.
I never would have found you without it...and found out that I, too, am Bipolar...just couldn't figure out what was going o , but knew that I was off.
In your piece about humor, when you spoke about your Dad saying he was worried about you because he was worried about you not having enough fun - I lost it.
I am also very type A, then never quite complete something even doing extremely well at it for fear of not being good enough, or blowing it or something ( so simply decide to 'finish later').
And my Dad before he passed also said to me every time we spoke -
"Go do something fun!" "GO HAVE SOME FUN!".
Wow...
Thanks
Sue
Oh, Yeah...
I often refer to myself as "Totally Loontickie"
How else can I explain it to someone who hasn't a clue?
Love & Peace to All
Sue
I think the ppl who got offended were in the wrong link-the OCD blog was a few up on the page;)
Seriously, I think that it's pretty hypocritical of those that took offense: they want ppl to accept them for who they are, mental illness n all. Yet, they are asking u to be "different" if u want their acceptance, n not to use your humor as a coping method(one that I find works well most of the time!). I also think it was more than appropriate to express this humorous view by referring to YOURSELF-it's not like u found out a neighbor or friend had a mental illness n u maliciously called them a "whackjob".
I am 100% behind u as I feel your site raises awareness n seeks acceptance rather than ridicule for those living w/mental illness. Those that were slighted by your comments couldn't have been loyal site members, or they would know u well enough NOT to be offended.
Using Therese's argument, is it OK for an African American to refer to himself or herself as the "N" word? I guess some would say it would. However, anyone coming up with excuses for using words that would be offensive uttered by others lowers the common discourse of everyone. We simply should not use such terms and have a more civil conversation.
I thought the purpose of this blog was to erase the stigma of mental illness, not perpetuate the stereotypes.
Thanks for considering this point of view.
I commented above regarding not using the it's-OK-if-I-say-whackjob-if-I-am-mentally-ill, but others can't to make the argument to not use humor to defend offensive language. I wish to amend it by saying that I totally agree that humor is one of the best resources of fighting off depression. Lincoln, who was known to be severely depressed, dealt with his illness by telling humorous tales. It's not humor itself that is the problem, it's the nature of the humor.
I am glad Therese apologized for offending others, but she went on to defend herself with a few posts of research on humor and saying why it was OK to say what she said.
Anonymous:
I think you need to read the Mad Pride entry in Therese's blog on Monday.
I take it you would agree with Dr. Torrey that anyone who is "out there" and activist about their disease is just bitter. (Certainly what my parents think ...)
Larry:
I read the "Mad Pride" article. I don't agree at all that those who are open about the disease are bitter. I don't understand the connection, but I often miss the point of things. :)
I guess my bottom line is that it would be helpful if we all decided that "loopy" and "whackjob" and the n-word and other words against certain ethnicities, etc. were just inappropriate no matter who uses them. Justifying who gets to say them only serves to continue their usage.
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