One of the most hurtful comments made to me during the worst of my depression was this: "You must not want to get better." I'm having a hard time forgiving the person who said that, even as I know...
Thank you for sharing! I concur. NAMI needs moore pepole like you.
marilyn
November 6, 2008 3:16 PM
thanks for the article.ihere all the time that iam just a crybaby or ifi just had more faith.the doctor i have now is very understanding and chalangeing.we have come along way but still have a long way to go.thanks for all you share with us.
Mary Anne
November 6, 2008 5:08 PM
YEAH THERESE!!!!!!! whoo hoooo, talk about timing, serendipity, coinicendce, fate.....
Just TODAY I had an appt at my psychiatrist's ofc with a NEW therapist. The one I grew so close to, we felt the same about alot of things particularly spiritually left to begin her own practice across town. But NOT before she suggested I get the book "The Celestene Prophecy" and the one following it "The Eleventh Insights" To any of you who have not read these books or seen the movie Celestene Prophecy I strongly suggest your doing so. It is about how things happen in this World by divine intervention, everything for a reason and WHEN they are suppossed to happen. I do not believe in coincidence. I heard a woman in a 12 step program say something once that I want to pass on to all of you here on Beyond Blue. Coincidence is God's wish to remain anonymous! Isn't that the truth?? The more I thought about that the more I liked it.
I shared all of that with you to share this, today I had a similar experience regarding Dr's and thier treatments, thier thinking that we are resisting help or not wanting to get better. I learned today that one of the 2 women at the center I have been going to (about 6 mths now since I was put back on Medicaid with my SSI due to my perm. disability) is not even a psychiatrist! She is only a therapist and she saw me on 2 visits because the other Dr. was not in at the time. She is the one who treated or mistreated me unfairly. She insisted on trying me on more bipolar medications in addition to the antidepressant that I have been taking for about 2 yrs now, Cymbalta. I told her over and over again that I have NEVER had a Bipolar diagnosis and that the one time I agreed to try that type of medication when I lived in Dallas and was under another Dr's care...it was a nightmare!I tried to commit suicide, I did not just think about it, talk about it, I had crying spells, I became very aggressive, throwing things which I had NEVER done before in my life. Next I found myself sitting on the floor of my bathroom in my townhouse trying to slice my wrist with a razor. Later, I got in my car and was about to drive it off the road into White Rock Lake when it occurred to me. I don't want to DIE, I am not mad at myself I am unhappy with the X husband, the medications, the Dr. I am seeing etc. I need to hurt THEM not myself! That is the only thing that saved me, a moment of sanity and I had taken myself off of the Depokote and Tegretol that the Dr had experimented with me on. I felt like a guinea pig and told him that. I suggest to ANY of you reading this to PLEASE talk to your Dr's. you have the right to refuse treatment and medications that you do not think are in your own best interest. Today I had to have the girls at my Dr's ofc put a call into my Dr. to let them know that a GI doctor who just performed a colonoscophy on me on Tue. and I have only seen ONE time told me to go off of my Cymbalta and to begin taking something he prescribed for me. When I went to Walgreens to get it filled I read the computer print out on the medication with the warnings, etc on it. Thank GOD I took the time to do so. The medication is one which is prescribed for anxiety, depression and acts as a sleep aid also. It said NOTHING about the Colon or Irritable Bowel Syndrome which is what I was needing treatment for. When questioned about it, the pharmacist called the Dr. to which he replied that it keeps the colon from having spasms and will also help with the depression. He is NOT a psychiatrist, he should NEVER tell someone with reoccuring depression, SEVERE depression to go off of thier medications. This is not only unprofessional but inappropriate as well. I did NOT quit taking my Cymbalta and I refused the other medication which I had never heard of. Today when I showed the name of the medication and the Dr's follow up instructions after my procedure to them at my appt. the Dr. my psychiatrist who has me in EXTENSIVE therapy at present due to the last yr I have lived through with being physically assaulted and then abandoned by my Bipolar husband she had not heard of it either. She was not familiar with it and told me NOT to stop my Cymbalta, that I had done the right thing. She like Therese's present Dr. is humble and will listen. Not all Dr's are like that, as I have already shared I have had some who did not monitor me after prescribing things for me that made me worse rather than better. I am among those who DO want to improve and continue to recover. We do NOT enjoy the depression, the side effects of the medications or the attitudes of people who don't know thier butt from a hole in the ground. Thankyou Terese for this timely post, I am with ya and you remain in my thoughts and prayers. Much love especially during this time of the yr!
Mary Anne
Marquos
November 7, 2008 5:43 AM
"We think you need to change your lifestyle"
"You got yourself into this mess, you can get yourself out" (I asked to borrow a little money from my very rich "best friend" after a manic episode left me in a financial bind, I needed the money to get my truck out of the body shop, which I needed get my job back. I mentioned if I had diabities or cancer rather than mental illness, he and the rest of my "friends" from church would be having a sausage feed to raise money and putting out coffee cans at the grocery store, no response)
"We'll help you but you have to help yourself first"
"Just put your nose to the grindstone"
"All she needs is to get back to work"
"I like Marq but I don't think I like Marquos"
"We all been real busy but if you really need us we'll be there"
"I know you've got 'issues' but you've got to get your life straightened out, bite the bullet, get your act together"
"Your Dad really does love you, but he wants to see you to get your life straightened out"
"You know, that really sounds psychotic!" (My therapist of three years upon reading an account I wrote of two previous psychotic episodes that were in my file)
"You cut your hair?" (My nurse practitioner the first time she saw me in a dress and heels and wearing makeup, my hair had not changed)
There's lots more, these are the more subtle ones. Mental illness is seen as a character flaw. We take thousands of dollars of medications a month, go to psychiatrists (who have more training than MD's), often wind up in the hospital, have medical diagnosis' painstakingly identified in a very thick book, which qualify as disabilities, we suffer as much or more than any illness group, but yet we simply "don't have what it takes", and we are weak.
Richard
November 7, 2008 2:31 PM
" In retrospect I know exactly why that happened: I wanted to stay sick!"
I have a wording problem with this statement. How about this?
" In retrospect I know exactly why that happened: The DOCTORS explained that I wanted to stay sick!"
Keith
November 9, 2008 9:51 PM
I say blame the patient because depression is simply the suppression of God in you. You won't be depressed when your light is shining. Don't hide your light. As many of us do not feel safe and/or confident to simply be who we are, i.e., children of god, we end up depressed. Don't suppress your God given nature.
keith
Dawn
November 10, 2008 4:09 PM
Keith does not belong on this web site. I am a born again Christian and was told once that my depression was because of sin in my life. Obviously, Mr. Keith, you have never had bonified depression and your response goes along with, "Just snap out of it", that I heard for so many years, so you truly don't know what it is like. We wish we could just "snap out of it". Fortunately, my husband of 40 plus years did not have your attitude when I was hospitalized.
Caryn
November 10, 2008 11:11 PM
http://www.carynswark.wordpress.com
Ditto to what Dawn said above. Keith's comments are literally sickening. For years I believed that something was "wrong" with my faith -- that if I just believed more strongly or more thoroughly, I would be happy. This twisted method of thinking quickly leads to the following suppositions:
1. It is my fault that I'm depressed because I don't believe in God enough
2. It is GOD'S fault that I'm depressed because if he made me feel better, I could believe more easily.
3. God isn't making me feel better because I don't believe strongly enough... see number one
Yes, some people are depressed because of situations. But clearly Keith does not understand depression as a mental illness. As a counselor who was also a co-worker once said to me, "It's chemical. It's like having cancer except that if you had cancer, you'd get sympathy."
lisa
November 11, 2008 8:40 PM
I agree with the ladies ,keith does not know deep depression .I am a prayer warrior so i spend time with God often and it is thru his love that gives me the courage that yes,this too will pass ,those comments only judge and hurt people struggling with depression .They are not very compassionate like you said ,like i want to feel bad ?Keith doesn,t seem to understand and seems like he;d rather judge .But that;s not his job but God;s .
jjosefina
November 13, 2008 11:48 AM
Ineed help
LizJ
November 13, 2008 1:38 PM
Thank you for the article. It is simply wonderful. I suffer from depression and I am learning more and more from this site. Thanks
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Thank you for sharing! I concur. NAMI needs moore pepole like you.
thanks for the article.ihere all the time that iam just a crybaby or ifi just had more faith.the doctor i have now is very understanding and chalangeing.we have come along way but still have a long way to go.thanks for all you share with us.
YEAH THERESE!!!!!!! whoo hoooo, talk about timing, serendipity, coinicendce, fate.....
Just TODAY I had an appt at my psychiatrist's ofc with a NEW therapist. The one I grew so close to, we felt the same about alot of things particularly spiritually left to begin her own practice across town. But NOT before she suggested I get the book "The Celestene Prophecy" and the one following it "The Eleventh Insights" To any of you who have not read these books or seen the movie Celestene Prophecy I strongly suggest your doing so. It is about how things happen in this World by divine intervention, everything for a reason and WHEN they are suppossed to happen. I do not believe in coincidence. I heard a woman in a 12 step program say something once that I want to pass on to all of you here on Beyond Blue. Coincidence is God's wish to remain anonymous! Isn't that the truth?? The more I thought about that the more I liked it.
I shared all of that with you to share this, today I had a similar experience regarding Dr's and thier treatments, thier thinking that we are resisting help or not wanting to get better. I learned today that one of the 2 women at the center I have been going to (about 6 mths now since I was put back on Medicaid with my SSI due to my perm. disability) is not even a psychiatrist! She is only a therapist and she saw me on 2 visits because the other Dr. was not in at the time. She is the one who treated or mistreated me unfairly. She insisted on trying me on more bipolar medications in addition to the antidepressant that I have been taking for about 2 yrs now, Cymbalta. I told her over and over again that I have NEVER had a Bipolar diagnosis and that the one time I agreed to try that type of medication when I lived in Dallas and was under another Dr's care...it was a nightmare!I tried to commit suicide, I did not just think about it, talk about it, I had crying spells, I became very aggressive, throwing things which I had NEVER done before in my life. Next I found myself sitting on the floor of my bathroom in my townhouse trying to slice my wrist with a razor. Later, I got in my car and was about to drive it off the road into White Rock Lake when it occurred to me. I don't want to DIE, I am not mad at myself I am unhappy with the X husband, the medications, the Dr. I am seeing etc. I need to hurt THEM not myself! That is the only thing that saved me, a moment of sanity and I had taken myself off of the Depokote and Tegretol that the Dr had experimented with me on. I felt like a guinea pig and told him that. I suggest to ANY of you reading this to PLEASE talk to your Dr's. you have the right to refuse treatment and medications that you do not think are in your own best interest. Today I had to have the girls at my Dr's ofc put a call into my Dr. to let them know that a GI doctor who just performed a colonoscophy on me on Tue. and I have only seen ONE time told me to go off of my Cymbalta and to begin taking something he prescribed for me. When I went to Walgreens to get it filled I read the computer print out on the medication with the warnings, etc on it. Thank GOD I took the time to do so. The medication is one which is prescribed for anxiety, depression and acts as a sleep aid also. It said NOTHING about the Colon or Irritable Bowel Syndrome which is what I was needing treatment for. When questioned about it, the pharmacist called the Dr. to which he replied that it keeps the colon from having spasms and will also help with the depression. He is NOT a psychiatrist, he should NEVER tell someone with reoccuring depression, SEVERE depression to go off of thier medications. This is not only unprofessional but inappropriate as well. I did NOT quit taking my Cymbalta and I refused the other medication which I had never heard of. Today when I showed the name of the medication and the Dr's follow up instructions after my procedure to them at my appt. the Dr. my psychiatrist who has me in EXTENSIVE therapy at present due to the last yr I have lived through with being physically assaulted and then abandoned by my Bipolar husband she had not heard of it either. She was not familiar with it and told me NOT to stop my Cymbalta, that I had done the right thing. She like Therese's present Dr. is humble and will listen. Not all Dr's are like that, as I have already shared I have had some who did not monitor me after prescribing things for me that made me worse rather than better. I am among those who DO want to improve and continue to recover. We do NOT enjoy the depression, the side effects of the medications or the attitudes of people who don't know thier butt from a hole in the ground. Thankyou Terese for this timely post, I am with ya and you remain in my thoughts and prayers. Much love especially during this time of the yr!
Mary Anne
"We think you need to change your lifestyle"
"You got yourself into this mess, you can get yourself out" (I asked to borrow a little money from my very rich "best friend" after a manic episode left me in a financial bind, I needed the money to get my truck out of the body shop, which I needed get my job back. I mentioned if I had diabities or cancer rather than mental illness, he and the rest of my "friends" from church would be having a sausage feed to raise money and putting out coffee cans at the grocery store, no response)
"We'll help you but you have to help yourself first"
"Just put your nose to the grindstone"
"All she needs is to get back to work"
"I like Marq but I don't think I like Marquos"
"We all been real busy but if you really need us we'll be there"
"I know you've got 'issues' but you've got to get your life straightened out, bite the bullet, get your act together"
"Your Dad really does love you, but he wants to see you to get your life straightened out"
"You know, that really sounds psychotic!" (My therapist of three years upon reading an account I wrote of two previous psychotic episodes that were in my file)
"You cut your hair?" (My nurse practitioner the first time she saw me in a dress and heels and wearing makeup, my hair had not changed)
There's lots more, these are the more subtle ones. Mental illness is seen as a character flaw. We take thousands of dollars of medications a month, go to psychiatrists (who have more training than MD's), often wind up in the hospital, have medical diagnosis' painstakingly identified in a very thick book, which qualify as disabilities, we suffer as much or more than any illness group, but yet we simply "don't have what it takes", and we are weak.
" In retrospect I know exactly why that happened: I wanted to stay sick!"
I have a wording problem with this statement. How about this?
" In retrospect I know exactly why that happened: The DOCTORS explained that I wanted to stay sick!"
I say blame the patient because depression is simply the suppression of God in you. You won't be depressed when your light is shining. Don't hide your light. As many of us do not feel safe and/or confident to simply be who we are, i.e., children of god, we end up depressed. Don't suppress your God given nature.
keith
Keith does not belong on this web site. I am a born again Christian and was told once that my depression was because of sin in my life. Obviously, Mr. Keith, you have never had bonified depression and your response goes along with, "Just snap out of it", that I heard for so many years, so you truly don't know what it is like. We wish we could just "snap out of it". Fortunately, my husband of 40 plus years did not have your attitude when I was hospitalized.
Ditto to what Dawn said above. Keith's comments are literally sickening. For years I believed that something was "wrong" with my faith -- that if I just believed more strongly or more thoroughly, I would be happy. This twisted method of thinking quickly leads to the following suppositions:
1. It is my fault that I'm depressed because I don't believe in God enough
2. It is GOD'S fault that I'm depressed because if he made me feel better, I could believe more easily.
3. God isn't making me feel better because I don't believe strongly enough... see number one
Yes, some people are depressed because of situations. But clearly Keith does not understand depression as a mental illness. As a counselor who was also a co-worker once said to me, "It's chemical. It's like having cancer except that if you had cancer, you'd get sympathy."
I agree with the ladies ,keith does not know deep depression .I am a prayer warrior so i spend time with God often and it is thru his love that gives me the courage that yes,this too will pass ,those comments only judge and hurt people struggling with depression .They are not very compassionate like you said ,like i want to feel bad ?Keith doesn,t seem to understand and seems like he;d rather judge .But that;s not his job but God;s .
Ineed help
Thank you for the article. It is simply wonderful. I suffer from depression and I am learning more and more from this site. Thanks
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