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The Evangelicalization of Secular America (Jeff Sharlet)

Tuesday October 16, 2007

Since I'm going to disagree with Hanna, I'll start with some good feelings about her new book, God's Harvard, the first real work of narrative nonfiction about Christian fundamentalism and political power. Hanna has gone further than any other writer...
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bryon
October 16, 2007 9:11 PM

Jeff Sharlet tells it like it is. Christian evangelicalism is something to be watched suspiciously and it is a duty of all freedom loving Americans to cry foul when it extends its power. We can't hate Christian evangelicalism because they are us: our neighbors, our family, our friends. Why these ideas has such a hold on those I hold dear, I don't know. But I truly believe that without it our nation would finally live up to some of its highest ideals. In the meantime, we truly need voices like Jeff Sharlet to point out the truth. Hopefully more will listen.

Jeff Sharlet
October 17, 2007 10:28 AM

Thanks, Bryon. But, just to be difficult, I'll argue with you as well: I don't think the U.S. would live up to its highest ideals without evangelicalism because A) America without evangelicalism simply isn't America. It'd be so radically different I can't imagine what it's ideals would be. B) "Ideals" themselves are pretty far down the path of evangelicalism. I'm not sure that we'd be thinking in terms of national ideals absent evangelicalism. And many of the idealist moments of American life -- such as have been infused with evangelicalism.

I'd like to also say that "suspicion" isn't really the right attitude, but then I'm reminded by Jerry Jenkins' entry of the evangelical penchant for calling the powerful "servants." Of course I understand the scriptural basis of this -- but any time a powerful person tells you he or she is just a servant, suspicion -- hell, disbelief -- is warranted.

Jerry B. Jenkins
October 17, 2007 2:08 PM

I couldn't agree more, Jeff. That's why I began by saying I have long been uneasy about Evangelicals in positions of political power. Some may begin with that servanthood ideal, but too many are quickly influenced by the perks of attention and wealth.

William
October 17, 2007 2:39 PM

As someone who works in politics, I have to say, Mr. Jenkins, that your last sentence applies to many of the people I run into in my profession.

They profess a desire to "make good public policy," but, their actions often prove otherwise -- that they're more interested in the attention and wealth. Undoubtedly, many -- like myself -- entered politics to be true public servants, but were led astray as they grew in recognition, power and wealth. So this isn't something that only applies to the religious right.

Jim
October 18, 2007 4:35 AM

My perception of evangelicals, which may or may not be accurate, is that they are trying to put new wine into old bottles. The new wine is modern culture, the old bottle is old time religion. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with old religion. Indeed there is much to praise there.

But religion can't remain locked in the past any more than the arts, technology or anything else in our culture. The Bible is the story of spiritual growth. The concept of God in the New Testament is much fuller, richer, and more intimately tied to mankind than the God of the Old Testament. He is more compassionate and less authoritarian. He is more positive than negative (Love your enemies, love your neighbor instead of thou shalt not kill, covet, steal....). Religion must grow along with everything else or it will get "left behind."

We see it already in the waning influence of the old organized religions. Their decline has nothing to do with people's lack of interest in God. People overwhelmingly believe in God, but the old religion fails to satisfy their growing understanding. The concept of God as pure Love is taking hold, and the implications of that are startling. Old religion still expect the world to cling to Old Testament notions of a god whose love is conditional. That is like telling a high school student he needs to get back into first grade.

S. John
October 19, 2007 4:31 PM

Jeff, does that mean that one needs to be suspicious of Jesus, Son of God, the servant?

Jeff Sharlet
October 20, 2007 9:51 AM

S. John -- Well, I'm Jewish. So, uh, yeah. I'm skeptical of Christ's claims.

But that's neither here nor there. Jerry and I were talking about contemporary politicians. Is Jesus running for something?

Or how about this: Is someone who claims to be representing God's will running for something? Yes, you should be very suspicious of anyone who claims such an anointing.

S. John
October 20, 2007 7:49 PM

Jewish? Then you should be aware of the importance of leaders on the side of good not evil, past and present.

Your Prophet Isaiah said, "...a Son will be given us; and the Government will be on His shoulders; His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." (Is 9:6)

We should be suspicious of a representative who is godless, has no morals, no conscience, promotes promiscuity and lawlessness, being voted into office by felons, illegals and the deceased.

When (the Jew) Jesus' birth was announced by angels, they said "On earth peace, willing good among men." Wow, that's diabolical... His followers should be carefully monitored...

Jeff Sharlet
October 21, 2007 9:26 PM

S. John -- I'm sure you didn't mean to, but you just crossed the line. Don't kid yourself -- your philo-semitism is anti-semitism by another name. Trying to tell me that "my" prophet Isaiah wrote of the coming of Jesus. Please. That's repugnant and insulting.

Richard W. Chadburn
October 22, 2007 10:41 AM

All: I am strongly opposed to any efforts to "Christianize" the USA. We are a secular nation that reverently respects all beliefs/lack of beliefs. We are not and have never been a Christian nation. I stand for a complete separation of church and state. Atheists/agnostics have made valuable contributions to our pluralistic country. Respectfully, Richard

S. John
October 23, 2007 10:40 AM

Sorry Jeff, I'm just 13, didn't mean say something wrong.

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