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Bart Ehrman: How the Problem of Pain Ruined My Faith

Thursday April 17, 2008

For most of my life I was a devout Christian, believing in God, trusting in Christ for salvation, knowing that God was actively involved in this world. During my young adulthood, I was an evangelical, with a firm belief in the Bible as the inspired and inerrant word of God. During those years I had fairly simple but commonly held views about how there can be so much pain and misery in the world. God had given us free will (we weren't programmed like robots), but since we were free to do good we were also free to do evil—hence the Holocaust, the genocide in Cambodia, and so on. To be sure, this view did not explain all evil in the world, but a good deal of suffering was a mystery and in the end, God would make right all that was wrong.

In my mid 20s, I left the evangelical fold, but I remained a Christian for some twenty years—a God-believing, sin-confessing, church-going Christian, who no longer held to the inerrancy of Scripture but who did believe that the Bible contained God's word, trustworthy as the source for theological reflection. And the more I studied the Christian tradition, first as a graduate student in seminary and then as a young scholar teaching biblical studies at universities, the more sophisticated I became in my theological views and in my understanding of the world and our place in it.

Suffering increasingly became a problem for me and my faith. How can one explain all the pain and misery in the world if God—the creator and redeemer of all—is sovereign over it, exercising his will both on the grand scheme and in the daily workings of our lives? Why, I asked, is there such rampant starvation in the world? Why are there droughts, epidemics, hurricanes, and earthquakes? If God answers prayer, why didn't he answer the prayers of the faithful Jews during the Holocaust? Or of the faithful Christians who also suffered torment and death at the hands of the Nazis? If God is concerned to answer my little prayers about my daily life, why didn't he answer my and others’ big prayers when millions were being slaughtered by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, when a mudslide killed 30,000 Columbians in their sleep, in a matter of minutes, when disasters of all kinds caused by humans and by nature happened in the world?

I read widely in the matter. I read philosophers, theologians, biblical scholars, great literary figures and popular authors from Plato to Sartre, from Apuleius to Dostoevsky, from the Apostle Paul to Henri Nouwen, from Shakespeare to T.S. Eliot to Archibald Macleish, from C. S. Lewis (with whom I was very taken) to Harold Kushner to Elie Wiesel.

Eventually, while still a Christian thinker, I came to believe that God himself is deeply concerned with suffering and intimately involved with it. The Christian message, for me, at the time, was that Jesus Christ is the revelation of God to us humans, and that in Jesus we can see how God deals with the world and relates to it. He relates to it, I thought, not by conquering it but by suffering for it. Jesus was not set on a throne in Jerusalem to rule over the Kingdom of God. He was crucified by the Romans, suffering a painful, excruciating, and humiliating death for us. What is God like? He is a God who suffers. The way he deals with suffering is by suffering both for us and alongside us.

This was my view for many years, and I still consider it a powerful theological view. It would be a view that I would still hold on to, if I were still a Christian. But I'm not.

About nine or ten years ago I came to realize that I simply no longer believed the Christian message. A large part of my movement away from the faith was driven by my concern for suffering. I simply no longer could hold to the view—which I took to be essential to Christian faith—that God was active in the world, that he answered prayer, that he intervened on behalf of his faithful, that he brought salvation in the past and that in the future, eventually in the coming eschaton, he would set to rights all that was wrong, that he would vindicate his name and his people and bring in a good kingdom (either at our deaths or here on earth in a future utopian existence).

We live in a world in which a child dies every five seconds of starvation. Every five seconds. Every minute there are twenty-five people who die because they do not have clean water to drink. Every hour 700 people die of malaria. Where is God in all this? We live in a world in which earthquakes in the Himalayas kill 50,000 people and leave 3 million without shelter in the face of oncoming winter. We live in a world where a hurricane destroys New Orleans. Where a tsunami kills 300,000 people in one fell swoop. Where millions of children are born with horrible birth defects. And where is God? To say that he eventually will make right all that is wrong seems to me, now, to be pure wishful thinking.

As it turns out, my various wrestlings with the problem have led me, even as an agnostic, back to the Bible, to see how different biblical authors wrestle with this, the greatest of all human questions. The result is my recent book, God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question--Why We Suffer. My contention is that many of the authors of the Bible are wrestling with just this question: why do people (especially the people of God) suffer? The biblical answers are striking at times for their simplicity and power (suffering comes as a punishment from God for sin; suffering is a test of faith; suffering is created by cosmic powers aligned against God and his people; suffering is a huge mystery and we have no right to question why it happens; suffering is redemptive and is the means by which God brings salvation; and so on). Some of these answers are at odds with one another (is it God or his cosmic enemies who are creating havoc on earth?), yet many of them continue to inform religious thinkers today.

My hope in writing the book is certainly not to encourage readers to become agnostic, the path that I took. It is instead to help people think, both about this biggest of all possible questions and about the historically and culturally significant religious responses to it that can be found in the most important book in the history of our civilization.

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Comments
Kel williams
May 21, 2009 6:34 PM

There are some significant typos in the new "Jesus interupted" book.

Page 37 sites Luke 1:23, but it should site Luke 3:23.

Bart, email me for other insights. Overall, the book is thought provoking in the political motives of Bible writers etc.

email me

Kel

anon
May 24, 2009 11:41 PM

"Either the story of Jesus as the risen-from-the-dead Son of God (put forth by the NT documents) is true or it is not. Dr. Ehrman's textual issues fail to undermine the trustworthiness of these documents and their historical testimony is very solid for the resurrection."

What eyewitness accounts do you refer to, Jeff Young? Are they written in the first person?

rey
May 25, 2009 12:40 PM

I am sure that it was Calvinists that made Ehrman lose his faith, since he says he lost his faith due to the “problem of evil.” In other words, the Calvinists wouldn’t shut their Satan worshiping mouths and let him enjoy the joy of his salvation……oh no, they had to convince him that God is the cause of evil, and they eventually convinced him that there is no way for God to exist and not be the cause of evil, and therefore, he became an agnostic. Stay away from Calvinists. When they start their spiel about God being evil, just say "Shut up you Satan worshiping heretics" and walk away.

Fernando
May 27, 2009 11:54 PM

I am glad to have read comments like that one by Marilyn and Eric de Telder. I can hardly suffer those others that insist on the story of a fallen world where people are basically evil, those who rely on "Satan" as a supposed adversary of God etc. I haven't gotten to the point where Dr. Ehrman is, of leaving the faith behind and becoming an agnostic, but certainly any sensible understanding of God has to surpass the nonsense of the fear-mongering literalists that abound in these forums.

brainout
June 3, 2009 11:04 PM
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Suffering occurs primarily because God will never shave the Truth: good truth, bad truth, any truth, because truth. Now you can and SHOULD ask, "Can't God MAKE any 'truth' He likes?" Of course, the answer is YES (ignore the Calvinists here, who always put shackles on God and denude Him of His Sovereignty).

So then: would Truth be WORTHWHILE, if it were sliced, diced, pared, or otherwise manipulated? Or is truth worthwhile, only if FREE? And of course we want to say "Yes, only if FREE." Okay, then: it must be FREE TO BE BAD, too.

That means free to FAIL. Satan's essential Trial argument is that God is unfair to make Truth be FREE. And we humans echo Satan's argument. Yet think: God's commitment to FREEDOM resulted in Son taking on Humanity and adding it to Himself to PAY for essentially the opportunity cost of creation. (I try to cover all these big questions in my "Thinking series" webpages.)

Now, the ultimate reason for suffering is like Paul states in Philippians 3:10, to know Him and have the fellowship of His Suffering. For think: how could Christ in His Humanity fully become One with Father UNLESS He was made sin, yet not sinning Himself? So for us, suffering acts like a flashback, a way to identify with Christ on the Cross, to know better what it was like for Him, to have more RAPPORT with Him, to learn His Love better. So then suffering is never pointless. Deeper in Him (so to speak), results.

Now, that suffering question is totally apart from Verbal Plenary Inspiration VPI. VPI is provable; it's NOT the monopoly of those stupid religious councils of Constantine's time or any other time. VPI is so provable, even the foreknown copyist errors give you valuable doctrinal information. Just use 1John1:9 and ask God about the textual problems you think you see. Very simple, really.

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