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Jim Wallis: The Bible is Neither Conservative or Liberal

Thursday June 12, 2008

Categories: How Would God Vote?

Thanks for your post, David. I'm looking forward to this discussion with you.

You claim that the Bible has a conservative rather than liberal worldview. I would suggest that the Bible is neither "conservative" or "liberal" as we understand those terms in a political context today. I have written about what I call "prophetic" politics that leads to a fourth option - neither liberal, conservative, or libertarian.

It is traditional or conservative on issues of family values, sexual integrity and personal responsibility, while being progressive, populist, or even radical on issues like poverty and racial justice. It affirms good stewardship of the earth and its resources, supports gender equality, and is more internationally minded than nationalist--looking first to peacemaking and conflict resolution when it come to foreign policy questions, instead of bowing to the habit of war.

Yet in all those areas, the Bible does not prescribe specific policies on the issues facing us today. While we can use Scripture as a normative vision, we must, as the National Association of Evangelicals puts it, "do detailed social, economic, historical, jurisprudential, and political analysis. Only if we deepen our Christian vision and also study our contemporary world can we engage in politics faithfully and wisely."

Let's take the issue of taxes that you raise. We cannot simply use historical texts from the Egyptian or Hebrew monarchies of 3,000 years ago as a policy prescription for the 21st century United States. But, as a preacher, I couldn't resist looking at the texts. Genesis 47 is after a famine, when the people had lost all their land. Joseph proposes that they return to farming the land and give one-fifth to Pharaoh. Their response was "You have saved our lives! We are grateful to my lord and we shall be serfs to Pharaoh." The condition of serfdom was certainly better than starvation. In 1 Samuel 8, the point of the story is not the 10% rate that the king will take, but that the king will give it to his "eunuchs and courtiers" rather than benefiting the society. And in 1 Kings 12, the complaint of the Israelites is about forced labor, not taxation. In the dialogue, they ask Rehoboam to "lighten the harsh labor", to which he replied, "My father made your yoke heavy, but I will add to your yoke." It wasn't taxes at issue.

But deeper than that, you say that people should be responsible for how they spend their money. The ideal of democracy is the collective will of the people speaking through their elected representatives. Our polity is certainly flawed. But I'd be willing to do a test. Let's ask the people if they'd rather have spent more than $500 billion over the last five years on jobs, education, healthcare and housing or on the war in Iraq. I'd be willing to accept the result, would you?

The fact is that our taxes are dreadfully misused, not that they exist. In the 2008 discretionary budget (excluding Social Security and Medicare), the Defense Department plus the additional spending specifically for the Iraq war is 60% of the budget. Every other function of the federal government receives 40%. The problem, David, is priorities, not taxes. In the 1 Samuel passage you cited, the first warning about a king is about his warmaking, "He will take your sons and appoint them as his charioteers and horsemen."

Let's move to a specific issue - overcoming poverty. There are now 36.5 million people below the official poverty line ($20,614 for a family of 4). In looking for the appropriate policies to deal with that problem, I apply two fundamental principles of Catholic social teaching. First, the common good - what benefits the society as a whole, particularly the weakest and most vulnerable; and subsidiarity - every problem should be dealt with at the lowest possible level.

There are three sectors of society that have a role in overcoming poverty to which we can apply the principle of subsidiarity. Faith-based and community organizations have a role - local congregations and organizations, and national denominations and organizations. Government at all levels has a role - local, state, and national. The private sector has a role - small business and large national corporations along with labor unions.

The challenge is overcoming poverty is to find the appropriate role for each level of each sector with a unified strategy. It is true that local congregations can provide mentoring and support networks for people in ways that government never could. But congregations cannot provide health insurance for 47 million people, jobs for the 8.5 million who are unemployed, and housing for the millions who have lost their homes through foreclosure. That requires efforts from government and the private sector.

Charity, as you propose in your book, is important, David. But good public policy for government and a committed private sector are also important. Wouldn't you agree?


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Gene Bearman
June 13, 2008 4:19 PM

I agree somewhat with Mr Wallis about the bible being traditional on family values and personal responsibilty, but how he derives gender equality from that is beyond me -is that part of traditional family values? Starting at the fall of man in Genesis gender equality is eliminated and in the New Testamant that concept is still not in effect as is shown by Paul who commands that women not even be heard in gatherings, not even so much as to ask a question. That does not sound like gender equality. I can't figure out where Mr. Wallis' assertion that the bible is "internationally minded rather than nationalist...either. Where does that assertion come from? Yes , blessed are the peacemakers - but watch out for the nation that needs to be judged - God has no problem with this including Israel itself which has endured past judgements through wars and is protected by God in other wars.
By the way - Mr. Wallis shows through his question on spending for Iraq that democracy is overrated - and nowhere in the bible are there democratic societies or any inkling that a democracy -if one ever comes to exist - is a good idea.

eastcoastlady
June 14, 2008 3:26 PM

How I miss the three rabbis chatting!

What was the reason their column was discontinued, again?

And who is best qualified to debate the Torah? Someone who is not Jewish? BIG mistake.

Stephen
June 18, 2008 6:12 PM

He writes "looking first to peacemaking and conflict resolution when it come to foreign policy questions, instead of bowing to the habit of war."

I am not sure where he gets this from. The old testament is full of wars being used by God to settle differences, punish evil empires etc. I don't find much evidence of diplomacy being used to settle disputes. If you go to the New Testament, Jesus stayed away from politics almost entirely. He did say blessed are the peace keepers, but I think he was talking about personal issues not country to country issues,

Robbie
June 18, 2008 10:03 PM

In this post, Wallis perfectly displays the difference between religious liberals and religious conservatives. Liberals do not take Biblical commandments seriously, as conservatives do. Liberals read the Bible as interesting stories and/or history. Conservatives read the Bible as God's Word and a guide to life.

Jim Wallis claims, "the Bible does not prescribe specific policies on the issues facing us today." If this is true, then can the Bible prescribe ANY rules on how we should live today, apart from politics?

Wallis adds, "We cannot simply use historical texts from the Egyptian or Hebrew monarchies of 3,000 years ago as a policy prescription for the 21st century United States." Is this how the Christian Wallis views his own sacred texts? Are these texts just "historical texts," interesting to look at, but not useful in making prescriptions for our 21st century lives?

In Genesis 47, the Israelites are, indeed, desperate. Yes, living as serfs under Pharoah, that is, living with a 20 percent tax rate, is better for the Israelites than starvation. But, so what? The point is that the Bible equates a 20 percent tax rate with serfdom.

Wallis argues, "In 1 Samuel 8, the point of the story is not the 10% rate that the king will take, but that the king will give it to his 'eunuchs and courtiers' rather than benefiting the society." Actually, this is only part of the warning that God and Samuel give to Israel. God and Samuel also warn that a king will institute conscription, rather than having an all-volunteer military. Also, God, through the prophet Samuel, warns that a king will force more of the Israelites to do work for him (i.e., becoming government workers), probably in the name of "benefiting the society." This in contrast to allowing individuals to benefit from their labor. The Israelites are warned about giving too much power to a strong central government. So, God is really warning the Israelites of the dangers of big government!

Later, it seems King Solomon fell into the trap of big government and foreign alliances. King Solomon's public works projects forced the king to lay a "heavy yoke," i.e. high taxes and forced labor, on the Israelites. Rather than listening to the elders who had served his father, King Rehoboam listened to "the young men who had grown up with him." For Rehoboam and his friends youth and "change" meant more than the wisdom of the elders. "My little finger is thicker than my father's waist" (1 Kings 12:10, NIV).

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