President Clinton questions McCain's emotional stability?
From: Casting Stones
Thursday July 10, 2008
During a conversation about philanthropy and global issues at the Aspen Ideas Festival, Former President Bill Clinton made some comments about the lingering psychological impact of having been a prisoner of war. The context was a discussion about former South...
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Basically your argument is Pres. Clinton is wrong because McCain is a war hero and Pres. Clinton was a draft dodger.
Sen. McCain should be critized on this. Why? Because he has no substance other than being a war hero. Actions are more important then words.
If I believed his words then he is pro-veteran. If I believe his actions(like his voting record) then he is anti-veteran.
I'm hoping he isn't a liar and he was mistaken about the GI bill -- because he and pres bush did not support it at all. But now both of them claim to have supported it, and McCain has claimed to have voted for it(which he wasn't present in the senate during the vote so he abstained).
We shouldn't give someone a free pass because they are a war vet. And I feel that we should give the same scrutiny to Sen. McCain as we did Sen. Kerry when he tried the same thing in 2004. Or is it ok because Sen. Kerry wasn't one of us he was a democrat?
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What is this drivel?: "The context was a discussion (by President Wild Bill Clinton) about former South African President Nelson Mandela. Okay, so we know the conversation wasn't about McCain.
It gets even better: "Was President Clinton questioning the emotional stability of another famous POW, Senator McCain? I don't know."
Let's repeat that last sentence typed by Dr. Land above: "I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW."
I guess Dr. Land's business isn't spreading the gospel, it's starting the pettiest political straw man arguments he can. I guess that's what folks do in Ethics Department of the Southern Baptist Convention.
It's guys like this who are spoiling ministry opportunities and making Christians look bad.
Well, God still loves Mr. Land. I can't say I feel the same. Luckily I'm saved by grace.
I wonder if Dr. Land was equally offended when another liar who avoided service in Vietnam questioned the mental state of John McCain.
firedoglake.com/2008/06/30/wingnuts-only-bush-and-rove-are-allowed-to-question-mccains-military-record/
You see, far too often conservatives such as Dr. Land criticize those on the left for behavior they often ignore when it shows up in their own ranks. This is unfortunate, for it spoils any constructive witness they may have on the issue and merely makes them sound like hypocritical political hacks.
You may not like it, Dr. Land, but there are a lot of people who question McCain's mental stability.
I think the man is a national treasture, but I'm afraid of what I view as an impulsive, reckless side to his personality that may disqualify him from being a desirable Commander-in-Chief. I've heard conservative Republican women interviewed who said they were afraid McCain might start WWIII.
My brother, who voted for Bush in the last two elections, and is a Republican, thinks McCain may be a little bit crazy because of his experiences as a POW.
Yes, and Bush was very hard on McCain during the 2000 primary election. Clinton may have dodged the draft, but at least he wasn't chicken-hawk enough to take America into a major war without any sense of the cost to our military or troops or the American people.
er, national treasure.
I was lucky in WWII and flew 31 missions without much mishap when the average before getting hit and downed was 14. So, I feel that unless you have "been there, done that", you are not totally qualified to send others into harm's way. This is particularly true when all manner of evasive tactics are used to avoid service to your country and then work to become a leader to those who did their duty. Cowards and other Summertime Patriots should be disqualified for leadership.
It is not only fair to question the effects of captivity on Senator McCain's psychological balance, it's imperative.
The objective fact is, Senator McCain has gone through some extremes since his return as a bona fide military hero. He committed adultery on his wife, who forgave him. He spends money like a fish, or his current wife's money at least, and he is well known for moments of both unusual clarity and unusual anger.
If John McCain is elected President, he is a man who could order a strike on a Middle Eastern nation in a fit of anger and end civilization as we know it. It's entirely fitting and indeed necessary to consider whether this is a possibility. The fact that he earned his military hero status does not exempt him from the same scrutiny given any other candidate for the office. What I'm open to is a way to resolve the question once and for all.
I'll never figure out why Mandela is such a hero to ppl. He was convicted of terrorism ( he killed a women and her baby with a bomb). And while Prez of S. Africa he invaded Lesotho where he is now known as "The butcher of Lesotho".
Apparently his temper is well known in the Senate but the news media likes him and doesn't report on it much. Here's one quote:
Also
And in case anyone thinks he's a nice guy there's this:
I imagine the Republicans there ate that up.
I'll give an URL for these quotes in a following post in case it gets held up.
Here's the URL for the quotes I gave above, hopefully just above:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/30/123006.shtml
Richard Land's own biography is here:
http://erlc.com/article/richard-land-d-philoxon-long-bio
In it he mentions no military service whatever. So we have a draft dodger criticizing Bill Clinton for criticizing John McCain's temperament. Hypocrisy thy name is Richard Land.
Oh, and isn't it important to discuss the temperament of a candidate for president? So what public good does Land think he's serving by trying to stifle such discussion?
Land supported GWB in the last election when it was clear he was very high on the list of worst ever presidents. Clearly Land has disqualified himself from any discussion of political candidates.
" As my grandmother used to say, "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
How come you didn't take her advice, Mr. Land? I've read a lot of the 'stones' you've thrown at God's gay and lesbian children.
Has Mr. Land written a column about McCain's purported 'family values' of having an affair with his secretary? Of his having abandoned his (sick) wife to re-marry?
It is no wonder the 'right' are no longer believed/trusted.
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