Baptists, the Bible and Women

Wednesday September 17, 2008

In the wake of Gov. Sarah Palin's selection as the Republican vice presidential nominee, there has been considerable "speculation" about why Evangelicals in general, and Southern Baptists in particular, have responded so favorably to her candidacy. As Sally Quinn reasoned...
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Alan
September 20, 2008 2:34 PM

First of all, even Gov. Palin would have a problem with Mr. Land's views. It is my understanding that the many 'Spirit-filled' churches welcome women to speak/preach from the Bible to men and women. I, a former SBC'er, would also like to add and argue that it is a valid question as to why some evangelicals will support a female VP candidate but not a female pastor. Mr. Land argues that it is scriptural. However, like Mr. Land, all Christians including me, pick and chose the scripture we want to take as literal. Mr. Land picks this one as he is a man and it serves him well. I may chsoe the scripture where the syrophonecian(sp?)woman questions Jesus.I assume that scripture supporting violence or slavery would be set aside as contextual by Mr. Land. Why not the passages he quotes regarding woman ministers?

Walter
September 20, 2008 8:22 PM

I assume Alan is FORMER SBC for a reason. Its obvious he does not agree with the idea of accepting the Bible's instruction on the leadership of a church.

It makes sense that there is a difference between a church and a business or governmental agency. No conservative Bible believing Christian that I am aware of believes there is a biblical mandate for women who are not Christian to go to church. Yet, scripture is clear that we are to not forsake the assembling together. There is a reason for that. There is a distinction between the church and not the church.

Notice the woman Lydia in Acts 16 who came to faith in Christ. There is no biblical teaching that she needed to leave her business and stay home (nor of anyone else needing to do that). But there IS a teaching that men are to be pastors. The church is not the world. She was free to be a business leader. However, she was not free to be the leader of the church.

In the same way Lydia could be a business owner, Governor Palin is able to be a governor, a vice-president, or even a president.

brad
September 21, 2008 7:27 AM

Ok I had to respond after reading this post and the one about pulling the magazine about women pastors.

Walter says "It makes sense that there is a difference between a church and a business or governmental agency."

Ok I see your point. Based on this statement the church needs to be separate from state. Do you mean only for this case? If so that's very hypocritical. If one follows that ideology then the church should not push for the Ten Commandments in the schools, courts, state capitols, etc. Be consistent. Just like picking and choose which scripture to follow literally making you're having your cake and eating it too to have church and state separate so you can justify supporting Palin then forcing church all up in public by injecting the Ten Commandments, the Nativity, etc on civic, tax-payer paid land and calling this a Godless country. After all, this country was founded on Christian conservative values so why not say Palin is breaking scripture.

creedofcrusades
September 22, 2008 2:03 AM

The great liberal "search for hypocrisy" goes on I see. Most of the search is simply an attempt to crush opposition by misdirection. For instance..."how can the theological vision that women are subservient to men jibe with a Palin vice presidency?". The SBC declares that a wife is to submit to her husband..not women to men. David Gushee is either a liar are just not very well educated.
Secondly we are speaking of church offices being restricted (and family relationships perhaps). Vice President isn't a church office. I support Palin for VP, pray that she wins the office. But if my church selected her as deacon or pastor I would leave my church. No conflict there. Or, heaven forbid!, any hypocrisy.
And it should be remembered that a male only church leadership is historic, normative Christianity. The churches who call female pastors are the oddballs..not the reverse. In fact, without checking, I would say that at least 98% of Chrisitanity is in agreement here.The largest American Protestant denomination, Southern Baptists, reject female pastors not to mention the largest denomination in the world(and the US)...Roman Catholicism.
To a liberal 20 years is forever. But female priests and pastors are actually a short passing fad...a qirky fancy...of rich western nations with ill attended churches which will pass away as the rest of the world continues to embrace historic Christianity in huge numbers.

Gary
September 27, 2008 3:18 PM

Aren't some elements of biblical doctrine for the purpose of orderly management while on earth? It seems that these elements at times with women in leadership allow for exceptions especially with interpreted inconsistancies in Paul's letters. With that understood, it seems to me that the Scriptures implies that it is God's desire for men to lead and maybe even in the overseement in government as well. It should not been seen so much as a restriction on women as it is to protect all members in a society as males act as a hedge in their leadership in the home and in their country. Maybe we need to give up more football games and prove out point guys?

dll
November 18, 2008 7:43 AM

What sense does this article make? Is he saying that we should practice being one way in the church and another way in public?
If my job makes me head over my husband in a pulic office eg. governor of a state or the president of the country, guess what when we get to church on sunday morning... I am still his president.

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