I had a long chat with a reporter yesterday. She's writing a story for News 21 about the changes afoot among "evangelical" voters in the coming election. I put scare quotes around "evangelical" because much of our conversation revolved around...
Seriously, I think of myself as an "evangelical" more as cultural label than a theological label, esp. as I've wandered into this conversation. That's not to say I listen to christian radio nor is it to say that I consider my political affiliation as part of an evangelical bloc. I think it's more of a part of my identity like my race, age and gender. I was born and grew up in the evangelical world and as much of my life was in that world they have become "my people" and I have become "one of them" in spite of my theology not because of it.
Adam Lehman
July 6, 2008 1:54 PM
Great idea. But i think that labeling a group simply by how they are percieved (especially by the media) is going to be more detrimental than beneficial. The same could be done to most any denomination or religious group as the media seems to focus on negative media instead of positive media.
i think you know the results you'd get anyways.
Sean Witty
July 6, 2008 8:02 PM
I agree with TJ, that the term "evangelical" is all but worthless and find it striking that those who signed the manifesto (some I admire and consider friends) think it's a term worth reclaiming or holding on to. What possible good comes from such a document (and term) other than to do exactly what Jesus appears to do over and over again - to make it harder and harder to know who's "in" and who's "out"?
Rick
July 8, 2008 6:44 AM
Tony,
These "labels" like "evangelical" and "fundamental" were originally created as a way of declaring what a person or group agrees with in the face of extra-biblical teachings that were circulating at the time. The problem is that through a period of time these labels took on new meanings as dictated by those who sought to put their own extra-biblical beliefs into the group.
I definitely would consider myself one who believes the inerrancy of God's Word, the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross, the call to personal holiness in our world and the physical return of Christ to earth, but I would not call myself a fundamentalist due to it's newer connotations.
Tom
July 14, 2008 8:23 PM
Whatever you want to do with "labels".....Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the person who takes a jab at the "evangelical" were hoping to get media coverage (as if they were doing it more to be in the press than to stand for their beliefs) is the same guy who started his blog by saying he working with a reporter as part of a news story (I assume he MAY be mentioned in that story?).
Kind of a pot calling the kettle black?
JP
July 23, 2008 9:04 AM
Both perspectives are completely supportable! On the one hand, we can learn a lot from the ways a group defines and describes itself. This is the "emic" perspective--the insider's viewpoint. On the other hand, outsiders tend to be more objective, and their "etic" perspectives are frequently even more useful than insiders' perspectives. I think the most important question, though, is: Why? Why is the term used, what are the local (or textual) contexts of its use, and what is to be gained or lost by that specific use. Otherwise, we could miscommunicate!
Viva the disconnect! :)
Seriously, I think of myself as an "evangelical" more as cultural label than a theological label, esp. as I've wandered into this conversation. That's not to say I listen to christian radio nor is it to say that I consider my political affiliation as part of an evangelical bloc. I think it's more of a part of my identity like my race, age and gender. I was born and grew up in the evangelical world and as much of my life was in that world they have become "my people" and I have become "one of them" in spite of my theology not because of it.
Great idea. But i think that labeling a group simply by how they are percieved (especially by the media) is going to be more detrimental than beneficial. The same could be done to most any denomination or religious group as the media seems to focus on negative media instead of positive media.
i think you know the results you'd get anyways.
I agree with TJ, that the term "evangelical" is all but worthless and find it striking that those who signed the manifesto (some I admire and consider friends) think it's a term worth reclaiming or holding on to. What possible good comes from such a document (and term) other than to do exactly what Jesus appears to do over and over again - to make it harder and harder to know who's "in" and who's "out"?
Tony,
These "labels" like "evangelical" and "fundamental" were originally created as a way of declaring what a person or group agrees with in the face of extra-biblical teachings that were circulating at the time. The problem is that through a period of time these labels took on new meanings as dictated by those who sought to put their own extra-biblical beliefs into the group.
I definitely would consider myself one who believes the inerrancy of God's Word, the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross, the call to personal holiness in our world and the physical return of Christ to earth, but I would not call myself a fundamentalist due to it's newer connotations.
Whatever you want to do with "labels".....Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the person who takes a jab at the "evangelical" were hoping to get media coverage (as if they were doing it more to be in the press than to stand for their beliefs) is the same guy who started his blog by saying he working with a reporter as part of a news story (I assume he MAY be mentioned in that story?).
Kind of a pot calling the kettle black?
Both perspectives are completely supportable! On the one hand, we can learn a lot from the ways a group defines and describes itself. This is the "emic" perspective--the insider's viewpoint. On the other hand, outsiders tend to be more objective, and their "etic" perspectives are frequently even more useful than insiders' perspectives. I think the most important question, though, is: Why? Why is the term used, what are the local (or textual) contexts of its use, and what is to be gained or lost by that specific use. Otherwise, we could miscommunicate!