Of course, we are all deeply saddened by the fires in California, and the prayers of every person are sent to those who have been so devastated by these extraordinary events. I continued in this space yesterday a series of...
In the absence of That Which Is Not, That Which IS, is not.
I don't quite understand the need to have That Which Is Not in order to experience That Which Is. Can't we experience That Which Is by living in relation to other Things That Are?
I recall reading the analogy of white, or something along these lines, in Friendship With God. You start with yourself in a plain white room. Here you are nothing in relation to that. I understand that point. Then you add a dot of color somewhere on the wall. You are now something relative to that. The dot is not something That Is Not, yet you now have a spatial relationship, a size relationship, etc. to that dot. Add a cat and you have something that is friendly and fuzzy, and you have a new experience of being in relation to that. But nowhere in the analogy do you need anything nonexistent to experience these relationships and experience Who You Are in relation to them. For example, I don't know why you would need to know fear or hate in order to love the cat, or to know you love the cat. I agree with most of what I read in CWG, but this one question has always bothered me.
Carmen rasmussen
October 23, 2007 4:35 AM
my holy experience,,
when iwas yuong i love so much of de preist,
to kepeng teich of de holy speiret am always
happy, whith de other young cheild,
because we are play de big garden ,,
and we seit in de grass whith de preist
and he tel abuot GOD and engel am so ejoy
so much to haerd abuot GOD and engel,
and de preist he pek up 4 times a wekk
guoing to de garden and we seit de grass
tuolkeng abuot GOD and engel,,
am always guoing de church to look de crus
de time hes haenge de crus and i ask my self
why people hurting hem, most of i love hem so,,
when some boday seid to me de GOD hes auot ther in de
mountain am looking for JESUS am twessted my haed
to search of JESUS he was not ther and am cry,
so et that de last of my expeireince of de holy ,,
love and peace,,
Walter
October 23, 2007 4:55 AM
The real thing is that I thought that these questions plagued me.
But as soon as I stop(ped) thinking there was and is only that great feeling of being.
I only think without a reason things that I want, want to do or want to experience.
And that's a beautiful gift, given to yourself.
Walter
October 23, 2007 5:14 AM
We have to listen to our soul,
If we would like to be healty.
In the end we are here,
Because there is no escaping to ourselves.
As long as a human doesn't meet himself,
In the eyes and in the hart,
Of it's fellow man,
He is on the run.
As long as he doesn't allow that his
Fellow man are part of his inner world,
There is no security.
As long he is afraid,
To show himself, he can not
Or others get acquainted with each other
He will be alone.
Karen LI
October 23, 2007 7:39 AM
This was truly excellent. I am who I am. To be true to ourselves in each moment. And that truth is love, creation. We are never alone because we are connected to all that is. We cannot appreciate the sweet without the sour; Love that is given without conditions. What a wonderful way to begin my day, thank you Neale.
Carmen rasmussen
October 23, 2007 8:02 AM
i have a question to al of you engel?
i have my self i dont untherstant ,,
for exsomple i can se my mind and fel
somthing to happeind my freind or my
i can se my mind,,for exsomple abuot whith
neale hes guoing de trep of de shep,he have
no conex of eternet i alraedy se in my mind
befor hes selleing,and i fel et ,am egnor dis
because i dont want to beleve,
and also et happeind to my dother she was
de robber insaide de huos de stel all
de mony and de other tings to ?
and that felleng and my mind why i can se ?
and i dont want to say to my dother or
DW, because de think am crecy that why am egnor that,
from now on am be careful what messege i get,
somboday can tel me why i have that ?
love and peace,,
Wisdum
October 23, 2007 8:43 AM
Uhhhhhh ! Whut !
"Come to Me, like a child "
Does an overabundance of words make one smart, or is it just a facade of fancy dance intelligence signifying nuthin !
Even God,just uses WORD
LUV 2 ALL
Wisdum
Carmen rasmussen
October 23, 2007 9:45 AM
thank you for your answer me,,
MR WISDOM thank you for your time,
love and peace,
michelle
October 23, 2007 11:19 AM
Hi Carmen,
It sounds like you have a gift. My mom has such a gift and I have learned to trust her gift. So when she occasionally calls me and says things like, "I had a vision of you . . ." then my ears perk up. Don't be afraid of this gift which perhaps is becoming more finely attuned as you are spirituallly growing with Neale Donald Walsch's help and message to trust your self/Self.
Have a great day Carmen.
Love and peace to you my friend,
Michelle
P.s. I think wisdum was talking to neale's message and not you
Cully
October 23, 2007 11:36 AM
ahhHa... but Mat, is "fancy dancing" truly a sign of *intelligence* or is it just another facade???
You intrigue me and scare me at the same time - I find it... tempting, attractive, mysterious (or is that Mister Rios) ;-)
Cully
hey now
October 23, 2007 11:44 AM
i'm not "deeply saddened" by it!
Marko from Milwaukee WI
October 23, 2007 12:02 PM
Jim, we don't have to have such large negative contrasts.
Eventually as we evolve (notice that the word love is in evolve as we love to evolve) we can have contrast, but they don't have to be negative contrast (unless that's our choice) Vanilla and chocolate ice cream are contrasting flavors, but desirable ones.
Wisdum
October 23, 2007 12:24 PM
Hi ALL,
thanks for your comments. Carmen, you touch my heart all the time. . . And Michelle, you are right I was talking about Neale ... I'm sorry Neale, I just couldn't sit through that, it was like beating my head against a concrete block. "The pen is mightier than the sword" but concrete builds a hell of a wall to climb over. I prefer to "Dance In The Moment" like Greg ... and play with God in the forest,like Walter, and walk in the Light like Michelle, and cry tears of joy like Carmen and Joy. And I absolutely have a serious problem with self-righteousness and half truth (half truth is no Truth, to me !) Are we ALL looking to be free, or shall we still succumb to religious Roman bondage ? I'm free! ... I'm free!... Thank God, I'm free at last ! ... What, you only have three nails ? No problem, I'll just cross my feet ... "Father forgive then, for they ain't got a clue, as to whut they dew " (or is that do ?)
I appreciate what you are presenting us, simply unconditional love.
"simplicity is bliss"
Giinew
Anonymous
October 23, 2007 5:59 PM
i feel ya!
Snowfire
October 23, 2007 7:52 PM
What is the point of life?
God wants company, He wants a family.
sf
btw. i enjoyed your movie, haven't read the books yet will do so at some point.
Wilderness Wanderer
October 23, 2007 10:55 PM
Thank you Neale for your eloquent expression of your ah ha moment. I am still waiting for mine. I am still asking myself those same questions. Everytime I think I've got an answer, I find that I'm back to wandering in the wilderness. I'll be glad when I can hold on to that Holy Experience. I really want to be in that place at all times instead of this wilderness journey. It's very lonely.
Sylvia Smith
October 24, 2007 7:05 AM
I agree. I notice that every leader or teacher seems to lead us all back to what we know best ourselves. th simple folk medicine are proven time time again even colleges like Harvard and Yale.
Gef
October 26, 2007 8:51 PM
I am realy apreciating the discussions on your site Neale and find you have a unique ability to articulate the 'Holy Experience'. I praise God for the annointing He has given you.
For those of you who feel awed or insignificant in relation to someone like Neale or you feel a real sense of envy....I wish my experience of God was like Neales.....I wish God used me to change the lives of 1000's.....I wish I could speak to stadiums full of people...I wish I could do something significant with my life....take heart....God has a plan and a purpose for everyone. It really is a case of the grass is greener on the other side. You go chasing an experience with God and looking at what other people have and thinking it looks so much better than your experience or that you don't even have an experience (HA,HA,HA,HA !!!!)
STOP....and smell the roses...If you don't have an experience with God, who's air are you breathing ??? who supplied yuor wife and kids? who has been patiently and lovingly whispering in your ear your whole life trying to say "HEY !! I LOVE YOU !! Would you do a few important things for me today ? "
BEING the master for who you have been looking and creating the TRUTH.... Jesus " Only did the will of His father" Buddha's purpose was to STOP his ego, to clear his mind of HIMSELF(his ego) so that he could be insinc with the energy of the universe....I have to stop here because I don't understand anyone except Jesus but can relate it to what others are trying to do.
Basically, let go of your ego, appreciate that you have no claims to anything...your life, your friends, your family, your financial situation, your sanity, your dreams, your children, your goals, the air you breathe...none of it is yours.
When you realize that you will start to use it as God intended you to.......How is that you ask ???? Ask him !! But remember...its not the way your ego wants, be faithful with the small things before you are trusted with the big ones. God even used a donkey in the bible and if you look at EVERY person in the bible, Moses, David, Gideon and on and on, none of them were special, they were just obedient and as soon as they stopped being obedient, everythign went wrong. What is so special about the 'masters' ? They didn't live for themselves (their ego)... let's get out there and save the world, one act of random kindness at a time.
God bless you Neale, God bless you ALL, may we all be a blessing to each other.
Joy
November 1, 2007 11:38 PM
LIVING WITOUT STRIVING to be a sage, saint oe holy
RELAXED into peace of mind -- choosing to live/exist in body and mind without the pressure to be holy, get more, have more, know more, and to understand all the mystery of God. Accepting, allowing, knowing that I am whole/holy and complete now -- stops the incessant urging to fill up every moment to "do" or to "go". BEING STILL NOW with the spaciousness of being the frame through which the nameless source lives ---basking in the absence of longing, vacant of any concern ---being still is the correct posture for the moment. Relieved of all "what ifs" --- all goals for the future --- all visions of becoming grand with the power of KNOWING that I am being GRAND in this instant. The sage chooses to practice BEING immersed in the now. Accepting life as it is presented - as a witness --- with appreciation ---for noticing --- the seed --- that "became" out of nothing, who swam in the womb without instruction, and without striving, or hurry, grew into a baby --- or a rose.
TWENTIETH VERSE of TAO: "Give up learning and you will be free from of all your cares. What is the difference between yes and no? Good and Evil? Must I fear what others fear? Should I fear desolation when there is abundance? Should I fear darkness when that light is shining everywhere? In the Spring, some go to the park and climb the terrace ---but I alone are drifting, not knowing where I am ---like a new born babe before it learns to smile, I am alone without a place to go - most people have too much----I alone seem to be missing something ---mine is indeed the mind of an ignoramus --- in it's unadulterated simplicity ----Iam but a guest in this world. While others rush about to get things done, I accept what is offered. I alone seem foolish, learning little, spending less. Others strive for fame, I avoid the limelight ---preferring to be left alone. Indeed, I seem like an idiot----no mind---no worries. I drift like a wave on the ocean, I blow as aimless as the wind. All people settle down in their grooves -- I alone am stubborn and remain outside. BUT wherein, I am most different from others --- is in knowing to take great sustenance from the great mother."
2,500 years ago Lao-tsu considered himself an outside the groove of those he witnessed striving to be satisfied. Taking dictation from the TAO, in this 20th verse, Lao-tsu humbly admitted that he did not know where he was in the eternal universe that has no beginning or end. Wisely choosing to be "lived" by the TAO that births, that satisfys and mystifies ---the message is to choose to swim with the current ---to sink deeply with it and allow it to fill in all the crevices, all the needs. Simplify by choosing to not acquire more things, or to acquire a title. You may be critcized for being unmotivated - but the GIFT/SECRET of non-striving --- is in the knowing that I am here as a guest who is always being provided for. Missing nothing --- as all things are merely illusions ---To NOT desire to be somebody else, to have more security, or compare self to what "others" want or have - allows me satisfaction NOW. Now is all there is.
I have traded in striving for arriving. " I accept what is offered " This may be perceived as foolish - but in the surrendering of desire --- is the acceptance of exactly what I needed to be fulfilled, to be happier than God. If and when a perception differs with this teaching - allow it, and thank it for passing through - and let it be. A sage does not argue or defend, there is no striving to be a saint/angel, one just is.
sad
November 15, 2007 12:17 AM
You don't think you've fallen short of God. sad. Do you not know(Romans 3:23)You are impressed with your convulted thoughts that don't need the God of the Bible.
I know what I AM. I don't have to find out who I am......I am a debtor whose debt has been paid. I'm free from the guilt and shame of my past sins, my present sins, and my future sins. It should have been me on that Cross. But, God's sinless son went there for my sinful self; my sinful thought life.
I'm sorry you are searching for freedom in all the wrong places and having conversations with a false God. Satan wanted to be equal with God too; he wanted to be God; he wanted to create a false reality to accomodate the desire for peace and harmony.
Peace without the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, is perhaps the most violent harmony of all.
-Sad
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In the absence of That Which Is Not, That Which IS, is not.
I don't quite understand the need to have That Which Is Not in order to experience That Which Is. Can't we experience That Which Is by living in relation to other Things That Are?
I recall reading the analogy of white, or something along these lines, in Friendship With God. You start with yourself in a plain white room. Here you are nothing in relation to that. I understand that point. Then you add a dot of color somewhere on the wall. You are now something relative to that. The dot is not something That Is Not, yet you now have a spatial relationship, a size relationship, etc. to that dot. Add a cat and you have something that is friendly and fuzzy, and you have a new experience of being in relation to that. But nowhere in the analogy do you need anything nonexistent to experience these relationships and experience Who You Are in relation to them. For example, I don't know why you would need to know fear or hate in order to love the cat, or to know you love the cat. I agree with most of what I read in CWG, but this one question has always bothered me.
my holy experience,,
when iwas yuong i love so much of de preist,
to kepeng teich of de holy speiret am always
happy, whith de other young cheild,
because we are play de big garden ,,
and we seit in de grass whith de preist
and he tel abuot GOD and engel am so ejoy
so much to haerd abuot GOD and engel,
and de preist he pek up 4 times a wekk
guoing to de garden and we seit de grass
tuolkeng abuot GOD and engel,,
am always guoing de church to look de crus
de time hes haenge de crus and i ask my self
why people hurting hem, most of i love hem so,,
when some boday seid to me de GOD hes auot ther in de
mountain am looking for JESUS am twessted my haed
to search of JESUS he was not ther and am cry,
so et that de last of my expeireince of de holy ,,
love and peace,,
The real thing is that I thought that these questions plagued me.
But as soon as I stop(ped) thinking there was and is only that great feeling of being.
I only think without a reason things that I want, want to do or want to experience.
And that's a beautiful gift, given to yourself.
We have to listen to our soul,
If we would like to be healty.
In the end we are here,
Because there is no escaping to ourselves.
As long as a human doesn't meet himself,
In the eyes and in the hart,
Of it's fellow man,
He is on the run.
As long as he doesn't allow that his
Fellow man are part of his inner world,
There is no security.
As long he is afraid,
To show himself, he can not
Or others get acquainted with each other
He will be alone.
This was truly excellent. I am who I am. To be true to ourselves in each moment. And that truth is love, creation. We are never alone because we are connected to all that is. We cannot appreciate the sweet without the sour; Love that is given without conditions. What a wonderful way to begin my day, thank you Neale.
i have a question to al of you engel?
i have my self i dont untherstant ,,
for exsomple i can se my mind and fel
somthing to happeind my freind or my
i can se my mind,,for exsomple abuot whith
neale hes guoing de trep of de shep,he have
no conex of eternet i alraedy se in my mind
befor hes selleing,and i fel et ,am egnor dis
because i dont want to beleve,
and also et happeind to my dother she was
de robber insaide de huos de stel all
de mony and de other tings to ?
and that felleng and my mind why i can se ?
and i dont want to say to my dother or
DW, because de think am crecy that why am egnor that,
from now on am be careful what messege i get,
somboday can tel me why i have that ?
love and peace,,
Uhhhhhh ! Whut !
"Come to Me, like a child "
Does an overabundance of words make one smart, or is it just a facade of fancy dance intelligence signifying nuthin !
Even God,just uses WORD
LUV 2 ALL
Wisdum
thank you for your answer me,,
MR WISDOM thank you for your time,
love and peace,
Hi Carmen,
It sounds like you have a gift. My mom has such a gift and I have learned to trust her gift. So when she occasionally calls me and says things like, "I had a vision of you . . ." then my ears perk up. Don't be afraid of this gift which perhaps is becoming more finely attuned as you are spirituallly growing with Neale Donald Walsch's help and message to trust your self/Self.
Have a great day Carmen.
Love and peace to you my friend,
Michelle
P.s. I think wisdum was talking to neale's message and not you
ahhHa... but Mat, is "fancy dancing" truly a sign of *intelligence* or is it just another facade???
You intrigue me and scare me at the same time - I find it... tempting, attractive, mysterious (or is that Mister Rios) ;-)
Cully
i'm not "deeply saddened" by it!
Jim, we don't have to have such large negative contrasts.
Eventually as we evolve (notice that the word love is in evolve as we love to evolve) we can have contrast, but they don't have to be negative contrast (unless that's our choice) Vanilla and chocolate ice cream are contrasting flavors, but desirable ones.
Hi ALL,
thanks for your comments. Carmen, you touch my heart all the time. . . And Michelle, you are right I was talking about Neale ... I'm sorry Neale, I just couldn't sit through that, it was like beating my head against a concrete block. "The pen is mightier than the sword" but concrete builds a hell of a wall to climb over. I prefer to "Dance In The Moment" like Greg ... and play with God in the forest,like Walter, and walk in the Light like Michelle, and cry tears of joy like Carmen and Joy. And I absolutely have a serious problem with self-righteousness and half truth (half truth is no Truth, to me !) Are we ALL looking to be free, or shall we still succumb to religious Roman bondage ? I'm free! ... I'm free!... Thank God, I'm free at last ! ... What, you only have three nails ? No problem, I'll just cross my feet ... "Father forgive then, for they ain't got a clue, as to whut they dew " (or is that do ?)
LUV 2 ALL
Wisdum
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a06_1193136515
Holy it is....
Dear Neale
Thank you for everything.
I appreciate what you are presenting us, simply unconditional love.
"simplicity is bliss"
Giinew
i feel ya!
What is the point of life?
God wants company, He wants a family.
sf
btw. i enjoyed your movie, haven't read the books yet will do so at some point.
Thank you Neale for your eloquent expression of your ah ha moment. I am still waiting for mine. I am still asking myself those same questions. Everytime I think I've got an answer, I find that I'm back to wandering in the wilderness. I'll be glad when I can hold on to that Holy Experience. I really want to be in that place at all times instead of this wilderness journey. It's very lonely.
I agree. I notice that every leader or teacher seems to lead us all back to what we know best ourselves. th simple folk medicine are proven time time again even colleges like Harvard and Yale.
I am realy apreciating the discussions on your site Neale and find you have a unique ability to articulate the 'Holy Experience'. I praise God for the annointing He has given you.
For those of you who feel awed or insignificant in relation to someone like Neale or you feel a real sense of envy....I wish my experience of God was like Neales.....I wish God used me to change the lives of 1000's.....I wish I could speak to stadiums full of people...I wish I could do something significant with my life....take heart....God has a plan and a purpose for everyone. It really is a case of the grass is greener on the other side. You go chasing an experience with God and looking at what other people have and thinking it looks so much better than your experience or that you don't even have an experience (HA,HA,HA,HA !!!!)
STOP....and smell the roses...If you don't have an experience with God, who's air are you breathing ??? who supplied yuor wife and kids? who has been patiently and lovingly whispering in your ear your whole life trying to say "HEY !! I LOVE YOU !! Would you do a few important things for me today ? "
BEING the master for who you have been looking and creating the TRUTH.... Jesus " Only did the will of His father" Buddha's purpose was to STOP his ego, to clear his mind of HIMSELF(his ego) so that he could be insinc with the energy of the universe....I have to stop here because I don't understand anyone except Jesus but can relate it to what others are trying to do.
Basically, let go of your ego, appreciate that you have no claims to anything...your life, your friends, your family, your financial situation, your sanity, your dreams, your children, your goals, the air you breathe...none of it is yours.
When you realize that you will start to use it as God intended you to.......How is that you ask ???? Ask him !! But remember...its not the way your ego wants, be faithful with the small things before you are trusted with the big ones. God even used a donkey in the bible and if you look at EVERY person in the bible, Moses, David, Gideon and on and on, none of them were special, they were just obedient and as soon as they stopped being obedient, everythign went wrong. What is so special about the 'masters' ? They didn't live for themselves (their ego)... let's get out there and save the world, one act of random kindness at a time.
God bless you Neale, God bless you ALL, may we all be a blessing to each other.
LIVING WITOUT STRIVING to be a sage, saint oe holy
RELAXED into peace of mind -- choosing to live/exist in body and mind without the pressure to be holy, get more, have more, know more, and to understand all the mystery of God. Accepting, allowing, knowing that I am whole/holy and complete now -- stops the incessant urging to fill up every moment to "do" or to "go". BEING STILL NOW with the spaciousness of being the frame through which the nameless source lives ---basking in the absence of longing, vacant of any concern ---being still is the correct posture for the moment. Relieved of all "what ifs" --- all goals for the future --- all visions of becoming grand with the power of KNOWING that I am being GRAND in this instant. The sage chooses to practice BEING immersed in the now. Accepting life as it is presented - as a witness --- with appreciation ---for noticing --- the seed --- that "became" out of nothing, who swam in the womb without instruction, and without striving, or hurry, grew into a baby --- or a rose.
TWENTIETH VERSE of TAO: "Give up learning and you will be free from of all your cares. What is the difference between yes and no? Good and Evil? Must I fear what others fear? Should I fear desolation when there is abundance? Should I fear darkness when that light is shining everywhere? In the Spring, some go to the park and climb the terrace ---but I alone are drifting, not knowing where I am ---like a new born babe before it learns to smile, I am alone without a place to go - most people have too much----I alone seem to be missing something ---mine is indeed the mind of an ignoramus --- in it's unadulterated simplicity ----Iam but a guest in this world. While others rush about to get things done, I accept what is offered. I alone seem foolish, learning little, spending less. Others strive for fame, I avoid the limelight ---preferring to be left alone. Indeed, I seem like an idiot----no mind---no worries. I drift like a wave on the ocean, I blow as aimless as the wind. All people settle down in their grooves -- I alone am stubborn and remain outside. BUT wherein, I am most different from others --- is in knowing to take great sustenance from the great mother."
2,500 years ago Lao-tsu considered himself an outside the groove of those he witnessed striving to be satisfied. Taking dictation from the TAO, in this 20th verse, Lao-tsu humbly admitted that he did not know where he was in the eternal universe that has no beginning or end. Wisely choosing to be "lived" by the TAO that births, that satisfys and mystifies ---the message is to choose to swim with the current ---to sink deeply with it and allow it to fill in all the crevices, all the needs. Simplify by choosing to not acquire more things, or to acquire a title. You may be critcized for being unmotivated - but the GIFT/SECRET of non-striving --- is in the knowing that I am here as a guest who is always being provided for. Missing nothing --- as all things are merely illusions ---To NOT desire to be somebody else, to have more security, or compare self to what "others" want or have - allows me satisfaction NOW. Now is all there is.
I have traded in striving for arriving. " I accept what is offered " This may be perceived as foolish - but in the surrendering of desire --- is the acceptance of exactly what I needed to be fulfilled, to be happier than God. If and when a perception differs with this teaching - allow it, and thank it for passing through - and let it be. A sage does not argue or defend, there is no striving to be a saint/angel, one just is.
You don't think you've fallen short of God. sad. Do you not know(Romans 3:23)You are impressed with your convulted thoughts that don't need the God of the Bible.
I know what I AM. I don't have to find out who I am......I am a debtor whose debt has been paid. I'm free from the guilt and shame of my past sins, my present sins, and my future sins. It should have been me on that Cross. But, God's sinless son went there for my sinful self; my sinful thought life.
I'm sorry you are searching for freedom in all the wrong places and having conversations with a false God. Satan wanted to be equal with God too; he wanted to be God; he wanted to create a false reality to accomodate the desire for peace and harmony.
Peace without the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, is perhaps the most violent harmony of all.
-Sad
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