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Does anyone ever act "inappropriately"?

Tuesday April 22, 2008

Is it possible for any person to act inappropriately if we use only that person's yardstick as a measure? The answer is, no. Everything imagines himself to be acting according to the highest good as he perceives it. The fact that she may not be acting in the highest good according to the reasoning of another is always, internally, irrelevant to the question.

Yesterday I made a statement, following a short discourse on former U.S. President Jimmy Carter's talks with leaders of Hamas in Damacus. I noted that Conversations with God says: "No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world."

That brought this response from a person posting as "Reagonite in NYC" in the Comments Section of this blog:

"Is that ALWAYS true? Yes or no? If yes, then does that mean that Nazism was appropriate for Germany and Central Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, "given their [the Nazis'] model of the world?" If yes, then does that mean that waterboarding and other forms of torture are appropriate in dealing with captured Al Quaeda terrorists, "given their [US intelligence agencies'] model of the world?"

"If it is NOT ALWAYS true, then WHO decides when exceptions to the general principle are valid? And under WHAT conditions?

"Would kindly appreciate a clarification or explanation from anyone on this board, including from Neal Donald Walsch and/or from someone familiar with his writings. Many thanks in advance :-) Reagonite in NYO"

I am pleased to respond here. Yes, my friend, in my understanding and in my experience, that is always true. The Conversations with God books tell us that "beliefs create behaviors." If we want to alter humanity's future and put an end to the self-destructive behaviors that our species exhibits, we are going to have to alter humanity's Cultural Story. That is, our beliefs.

It is our beliefs that create our "model of the world." For instance, if we believe that a person acting in self-defense is innocent of any wrong doing, no matter what he does, then he will feel free to do anything at all in the name of self defense -- including preemptively striking another nation on the suspicion that the other nation is planning to strike his.

This is what I call Suspicion Diplomacy, and it largely, if not completely, describes our foreign policy during most of the years of the second Bush Administration. We have the right--if we think you are going to strike us or our friends--to strike you. So you'd better not give us cause to even think that.

This is our "model of the world", and nothing the U.S. has done is considered inappropriate by those Americans who hold this model as their belief. Belief creates behavior.


My friend, you have asked...Does that mean that "Nazism was appropriate for Germany and Central Europe in the 1930s and 1940s...?

It may not have been appropriate for all of Germany and Central Europe, but it was appropriate for those who believed that it was. And that is the point. Neither Hitler nor his followers thought for one minute that they were doing anything but what was best for their country. It is essential to understand that if we are to understand how Hitler and his Nazis could have done what they did.

This does not condone what they did. This simply (and tragically) explains it. The true tragedy of the Hitler experience is not that a 'Hitler' came along, but that so many people went along. They went along because their belief system supported their actions. Their model of the world was reflected in their choices.

The fact that their model of the world was insanely distorted is beside the point. It is their model that drove the engine of their experience. It is their model that produced their behavior.

You have asked, "...then does that mean that waterboarding and other forms of torture are appropriate in dealing with captured Al Quaeda terrorists, their [US intelligence agencies'] model of the world?"

That is a very good question. That is a very piercing and painful question. And the answer is equally piercing and painful: Of course it does. Waterboarding is appropriate to those who are doing it--or they wouldn't be doing it. It may not be appropriate in the minds of others...but that doesn't seem to matter, now, does it...

My statement was NOT that "everything that anyone does is appropriate for everyone else in the world, so long as the person doing it agrees with what he is doing..." That is not what I said. What I said was: "Nobody does anything inapppropriate, given their model of the world."

Obviously, the sentence intends to carry the meaning that nobody does anything that THEY think is inappropriate. This is made clear by the fact that they have done it.

So when we find people acting in a way that WE deem to be "inappropriate," our task within the New Spirituality movement is to find out how they could think such a thing to be apppropriate. This can only be done by sitting down and talking with your enemies. It CAN'T be done by simply shouting at your enemies that they are acting inappropriately and to stop it or else. That is insanity. That gets one nowhere.

As we have seen.

Conversations with God offers a wonderful tool to use in situations such as this. It is a simple question: "What hurts you so bad that you feel you have to hurt me in order to heal it?"

This is what Jimmy Carter was trying to find out.

Comments
D.L. Tanner
April 23, 2008 2:55 PM

Neale's assertion that "Everything imagines himself to be acting according to the highest good as he perceives it" fails to recognize that people can and do consciously choose not to live up to their own ideals of "highest good". It is universally recognized that Love is the highest good - a conviction placed in our hearts by the First Cause of all life. However, humans also have the freedom and ability to choose otherwise. That is the problem. Until humanity makes the conscious choice to align themselves with the highest moral law in the universe - the Law of Love - nothing will change.

Janey Darnell
April 23, 2008 8:36 PM

Given my model of the world, I don't always agree with N.D. Walsch, however I always enjoy reading his viewpoints. And especially his latest comments on the Clinton/Obama race (seems to me human nature is not changing...people want to see more of people like themselves...nothing suprising in that) and ideas about acting "inappropriately". Been having a hard time dealing with people who refuse to get involved in environmentalism or even take 5 minutes to learn about what their government is doing...and wondering why God allowed the creation of such a short sighted species. I can't quite see Her/His/Its model of the world/creation, but I'm trying. ;-j

Peter
April 24, 2008 7:00 AM

"Is it possible for any person to act inappropriately if we use only that person's yardstick as a measure?"

One example often used for the purpose of defining this question is a generally accepted rightous moral conclusion about genocide as practiced by the Nazis.

While it's clear to me that genocide is an indefensible abomination, the question that still arises for me in this case is; how did it happen that so many German people could somehow justify to themselves what was being done to a particular ethnic group which had lived among them for generations?

Fear for their own safety seems to be part of that mental equation but what else? How had so many German Christians lost the human connection between themselves and the Jewish people, so much so that they would allow them to be reviled and abused by the Nazi party who represented them? Even if they didn't know about the death camps, as many have claimed, they surely condoned the abuse of Jews.

The answer is that there was a serious conflict of beliefs between the Jewish people and German Christians, a conflict which wasn't found only in Germany.

Jewish people had been taught to believe, for many generations, that they were "the chosen people", chosen by God to lead because of their supposed God given superiority. This belief, a preposterious illusion to others, was one which was not in question among the Jews. It was a long established fact of life, one upon which to act in dealings with others and in which to take refuge from criticism of it by those who felt demeaned by it.

The German people, on the other hand, had been endoctrinated to believe that they were a group apart also, "the master race", a similarly illusory creation of the mind.

Given those two opposing beliefs and the attitude of arrogance which attended them, why would it surprise anyone that a serious conflict arose between "the chosen people" and "the master race"?

The Nazis created that issue, using it to justify and act upon their own fears and hatreds.

Arrogance is clearly the illusion and the enemy. It is something which we Americans should look at closely now, particularly during this next national election.
Some of our most prominent elected leaders have shown a lot of arrogance, and they have built a new set of policies about pre-emptive war-making which threaten to destroy our most treasured liberties.

May God's Will prevail. For that to happen, many more of us must become attuned to God within ourselves.

Josh
April 27, 2008 11:00 AM

The US wasn't thinking that Iraq might be thinking about striking, 9/11 was orchestrated so the US could go into Iraq to kill people, and keep the war going for as long as possible, for world domination purposes.

Patrick
April 28, 2008 8:39 AM

This message could not have been more timely at this point in my life and journey. Thank you Neale. It helps me to understand more about having compassion for those that I have felt offended by and compassion for myself in the mistakes and offenses I have made in this quest.

The "world" and this experience and all the range of perceptions and emotions can be quite a patch to sort through yet this simplifies...at least for me, a perspective that I have re-membered and am re-membering from reading the CWG books long ago.

If my perception is one of fear I will act according to my belief in the basis for that fear or even in the belief in fear it self and to me that would be appropriate at that time. If my perception is one of compassion for those in fear...as I am in fear as well and can understand through my own personal pain a connection...compassion has a chance to enter as I allow it to be the driving force of who I really am thus, these actions will be equally appropriate given THIS model of the world I perceive and accept as my reality.

Conclusivley this calls me to personal responisibility to do my best to dig deeply for empathy and consider my own actions based on my model of the world (my CHOSEN beliefs)...my friends, loved ones, and even those I don't know yet and maybe act less self-serving and "preemptively consider" how my actions might be received and their effects, prior to making the decision to act.

At least, this is how I understand it in my current world model. I feel it is brilliant.

Thank you, God

Thank you, Neale

Peace, Patrick

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