The world faces an extraordinary array of problems, as we all know. But here is something we do not know: Who is working to solve them? Part of the problem with problems is that there are so many people who...
"I believe that this is a soul journey we are on, having nothing to do with the human body. It has no more to do with your body than a bookcase that you built has to do with the hammer and saw you used to build it. Like the hammer and saw, your body is simply your tool. Nothing else. Simply that."
Nothing to do with the body? Are you crazy? (laugh) if that is true we would be nonphysical beings residing on earth. We could not experience the body the way we do in the physical. At this juncture we may be more than our body, probably much more.
However, the decision is to experience this world with and having a physical body is a big reason we are here. Eventually we may change the physical body like getting a new care and have uPgrade and or radically change it. That is much further down er, uP the advanced evolutionary scale.
Eventually and when we die or leave our physical body for perhaps a less physical body or a non physical body or no body at all are journey will have nothing to do with are body. At present I beg to differ considerably.
I get the body is something we have not are, that is, not part of the whole of what we are, but at present, my God, it is certainly a part of who currently are in the physical experience of life on earth, even if it's a physical illusion.
Marko-Milwaukee WI
June 3, 2008 10:28 AM
Correction: it should read "Eventually we may change the physical body like getting a new [car] not care [my edit apparently did not go through the 1st time I posted] and have uPgrade and or radically change it. That is much further down er, uP the advanced evolutionary scale.
Blake Hayner
June 3, 2008 1:11 PM
I am the experience not the body, the soul is the recorder not the producer. I spend my life creating occurrences that cause effects to my body and mind generating emotions that affect my life in intricate ways.
I can either choose to flow easily with events or go against the current and struggle. Both paths have their outcomes and both lead me to the same conclusion. Less pain and struggle causes less growth and lighter understanding. More pain causes deeper insight and excited growth.
The Earth is a pain planet having more ways to achieve growth than pleasure planets that offer slower development with the same effort. I am part of a process that if I trust the process the outcomes will be easily had.
Worrying about the outcomes is a waste of energy because the outcome is always for my highest purpose I will experience the highest result by trusting the process.
I am experiencing what you and I co-create in a process called God which is liken too a computer program running constantly. The process is not controlled by God; we need only input our desires and the computer will create the results. God is nothing more than a concept to name the process.
The process is the spirit of a body with its perpetual individual cells working together to give life so that the body can experience itself in its highest form.
Each human being is a galaxy each spirit its own God and all of us connected to the immortal source. We are endless and we are one off the scale being called the cosmos.
Blessings
Blake Hayner
Marko-Milwaukee WI
June 3, 2008 2:00 PM
Blake I like much of your post here. I do however disagree that pain is the quicker way to soul growth or that pleasure planets create slower growth because they have little or no pain to experience.
That's very old school Protestant work ethic bible theology influenced, at least in my book it is.
Yet regardless, societies, planets of luxury, art, beauty and pleasure have most likely outgrown the need to have pain and the contrast they experience does not need to involve pain or very little it at all.
The contrast might be having a great day contrasted with a super good day, contrasted further with a uber over the top good day. No need to have negative contrast.
I do believe and promote that you can spiritually grow by being lighter in negativity, having fun and enjoyment. It doesn't seem to be popular among many spiritual hard heads but I have a few converts.
The interesting thing about negativity is that it has behind it a blessing, a silver lining. Meaning that good is behind it all and inevitable.
It matters less if you call it God, a process etc. It's what we experience at this time through the filter of our current awareness.
My understanding is that all societies, worlds go through the evolution process from being a primitive society and move forward to an advancing society.
All get to a point where technology advances to the point of destroying society because the spiritual advancement has not kept pace with the technological. That's where we seem to be heading or are right now.
So those pleasure planets also started out primitive wise and moved uP the scale of evolution. You could also argue that they are a place where people choose to sustain a certain state of beingness for very extended times. It's out of choice that they do this.
We can be free of negativity and still yearn, long and have great passion to grow spiritually to advance beyond our current capabilities, have fun and grow at the rate we choose and decide to.
phillip
June 3, 2008 2:55 PM
Marko; I think Neal's point is our problems come from thinking we are just a body. When we think we are just bodies, we think we are separate from one another. When we think we are separate from one another, our behavior can reflect that - and it's not always pretty. Neal believes that if it is our intention to make this "upgrade", it cannot happen if our consciousness is localized to our bodies.
I do not believe there is such thing as time. So, I don't believe in Achievements. Because achievements take TIME to achieve. I never set goals, because goals take TIME to achieve.
Take Jackie-Joyner-Kersee for example. At a track meet, what's likely going on in her head is, "I must shorten the amount of time between myself and the finishing line. I must shorten it to such a point where it is so short, that it is almost non-existant." In the mind of a runner, someone trying to reach the finishing line, TIME is the problem.
And so it is with the "Upgrade" you speak of, Marko! No effort has to be made for this amazing thing to happen. This amazing thing is actually happening RIGHT NOW. It is possible for you to not be consciously aware of this, though. And that most certainly would be the case if you believed you had to go through pain and torment your entire life. Neale, myself and others try to live our lives trying to tell people that this divine "upgrade" can be made at any moment.
If you've ever been in a meeting, try to imagine those big projection machines they use to show a presentation. Also, imagine the screen that those machines project the image on. That white, empty, blank screen is the physical plane. The projector is you. Whatever happens on that screen is up to you. Should you choose to allow your idea of "Self" to become localized to your human body - sure, ok - but is that what you have planned for your Presentation? Is the 3D projector somehow going mold itself into the 2 dimensional plane of the screen and become part of its own projection?
It is my belief that this phenomena cannot happen, though it is possible for a soul to think it is happening. It is too easy to fall into thinking that we are not in 100% control & creation of everything when we believe we are these bodies AT ALL. We are absolutely so much more than the 2 Dimensional projection. We are projecting absolutely everything.
Look between the keypads of the keyboard in front of you. Do you see specs of dirt, dust, and hair maybe? By virtue of your projection, those materials are there - and they are of no lesser or higher value than the human body, because they are part of the 2D image currently being projected. They serve a divine purpose.
To think that the human body is anything more in value than these materials between your keyboard is to think that one form of energy can be higher in value than another.
To think this way is to observe 2 clay sculptures which were molded from 2 masses of clay identical in weight and say, "That one is heavier."
To think this way is to observe 2 identical pieces of pepperoni pizza...
Ok sorry, some of you might be vegatarians. My deepest apologies. To think this way is to observe 2 identical pieces of delicious Vegetarian pizza on a pan, both containing the same amount of onions, and say "I am going to eat this piece instead of the other, because it has more onions".
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???? I currently am of the temperament that this does not. Perhaps this post has not made any sense. I hope it has!
I have a tendancy to just sort of rant. I hope I am still on topic.
The problem is - one thing is worth more than the other - even though they are the same. And, when this happens with human bodies........ oh boy......
Love,
Phillip Washington
Marko-Milwaukee WI
June 3, 2008 3:33 PM
Phillip,
I get what you say of the body,-- and Neale very well could (probably) mean just what you say. From my perspective, he did not qualify but implied what he said and that nuance is the point of view I presented. So no big qualms on that.
You said in part "Neale, myself and others try to live our lives trying to tell people that this divine "upgrade" can be made at any moment."
Ahh yes, you are theoretically and esoterically correct. However, our theory is usually way in advance of our practice or understanding. Shadow beliefs and the under currents of unrecognized sponsoring thoughts need to be dealt with b4 heading to the instant uPgrade you speak of.
You/we have a conception and theory that has in many (not all cases) not yet moved into the space of functioning reality.
So we need to go from theory to functionality before we make the uPgrade you talk of.
Most have not made that jump yet, and I know of no one who has in this current time and space called earth experience.
Our view of time as an illusion and all physical life as illusion is again a theory not quite put into functional reality.
However, the mere fact that we bring uP these ideas and talk about them and live and move into the space as best we are able at any given moment,-- lends the focus to come closer to becoming more understood and eventually understood where theory and functioning reality blend simultaneously.
BryOnTheRoad
June 3, 2008 4:23 PM
Hello !
The end of the primaries must be a relief for Democrats today.
It seems that Hillary will finally have to bow out. BUT WAIT... The convention rules make it possible for delegates to switch votes. And the Super's - [despite anything they say] - don't actually vote until the convention.
Today, The AP proclaimed Obama has secured enough delegates to win the nomination - by virtue of the Super's who've committed to Obama.
Hillary might as well wait as long as possible. I hate to point this out people - but this IS POLITICS! And this is the era of camera's and microphones all over the place.
Michelle Obama could bash America again.
[and by the way, it was her right to do so in the now famous speech in Milwaukee - not judging it here - I'm merely pointing out a possibility].
Do the Clinton's know something else ? Does the tape exist?
[Was Michelle Obama taped at the pulpit?]
Listen to what Hillary says tonight folks.
If Hillary continues to press on after tonight .... The Clinton's have bee eluding to "reasons" why Obama cannot win in November.
Just for the record .. of the two candidates .. I prefer Barack Obama.
However, never under estimate Bill and Hillary Clinton's ability to either deny what's true for everyone to see .... or to bury a rival if they have the means to do so.
The Clinton's are second to none when it comes to changing the tide of events.
phillip
June 3, 2008 5:54 PM
Marko:
You said that "our theory is usually way in advance of our practice or understanding. Shadow beliefs and the under currents of unrecognized sponsoring thoughts need to be dealt with b4 heading to the instant uPgrade you speak of."
And then you said that "You/we have a conception and theory that has in many (not all cases) not yet moved into the space of functioning reality."
And I say to you that the theory is RIGHT behind the "practice" and the "functionality". Whatever theory is currently present is the theory that will be demonstrated in practice. I do not think there is any pathway, or "heading" to any place. I believe it is a constant practice of whatever theory is currently present. I think it is possible to not be aware of this - as consciousness can be localized to the body - and then one can only be aware of the practicing. Does that make sense?
First I theorize that I can type a complete sentence, and then I behave as though I can, and then I do. This was the theory I was just operating on. Now I am operating under the theory that I can jump on one leg while answering my cellphone. You did not see this but before I was typing this sentence, I actually did just this. Now I have completed a sentence and demonstrated the theory of sentence typing, as you have in turn demonstrated the theory of sentence reading. There was no waiting period. There was no line you will have to stand in to finish reading this sentence. If there was, come back Saturday at 8PM.
In my opinion, that is how fast creation and "change" happens. So, what is the actual theory we are trying to demonstrate? What are our "Shadow thoughts", actually? WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? Do we have to wait?
Would it not serve humanity to acknowledge and accept that our "theories" are RIGHT BEHIND our practices? Would it not make more sense to believe that thought is the first thing to precede function? Then there would be no wait! No waiting period. No background check. No "Shadow thoughts". We can erase the following words off of the dry erase board:
Pain
Suffering
Debt
Loss
If someone claims they are theorizing that pillows can float - and then to demonstrate that theory they throw a television out of the back of a moving car ..... one could believe that their actual theory had more to do with moving cars and televisions.
You say; "Most have not made that jump yet, and I know of no one who has in this current time and space called earth experience."
I know of many.
Love,
Phillip Washington
Jim
June 3, 2008 8:05 PM
Hmmmm, interesting stuff here.
I consciously began my spiritual journey when I was 19, I'm 55 now. I was experincing a huge wave of energy which I had to learn to ride or be ridden. I chose to ride. It was an incredible time, I had many powerful spiritual experiences. Out of body stuff, incredible highs and insights.
With all I've experienced, I still get caught up in the my body is me thing, even though I'm aware of the difference between my body and my awareness.
Let me encourage everyone. This is a very cool process, it won't hurt.
It is liberating.
From the beginning, when we came into this world, we've been told that reality is something else. But the reality that we've been taught is incorrect. Nothing in this world is constant, except for change. It's beyond what we see on the surface, everything has many layers of depth, every flower,every child,every sky above us.
Think of this possiblity, this grand possiblity. This moment in life is a great opportunity.
amilius
June 4, 2008 2:34 AM
They used to do something at the Magic Mountain Los Angeles called the Connoisseur's Roller Coaster Tour. I did it just once in '86. It was an epiphany.
After closing, the park would let patrons pay additional to ride on the various coasters in small groups of 10-12 while the park managers ran diagnostics on the coasters. Each group went to a different coaster ride. Everyone would pick a seat, ride, then change seats. The different coasters went in a specific rotation. When one coaster finished several rides, the next group would be moved in.
The night I went, I was with a group of friends from New York. We had flown in on a ridiculously inexpensive airfare. We were the last to sign up for the tour, a major blessing. We kept riding each ride until the next ride had moved on. I think we rode the first coaster 5 consecutive times. It was about the 27th ride, as I was changing from the front to the back end of the Colussus Wooden Coaster, that it occurred to me is that life is a roller coaster ride for the soul that One designs for One's selves. We even get to design the dismounts.
Think about it, why would anyone exit the physical world the same way every time? Makes sense to me.
How else do you imagine an eternal Being might choose to savor the luxury of time than playing the game of evolving awareness through the course of lifetimes?
In first grade, at Our Lady of Good Counsel, I remember asking my teacher, " So we go to heaven, then what? " I got my answer on the roller coasters many years later. magic Mountain doesn't do the Connoisseur's Tour anymore. They should revive the tour.
We are all One. One designed it this way. Namaste.
Prince
June 4, 2008 3:13 AM
Hi Neale,
It's truly an honor to be able to share with you some of my thoughts about your books. First of all, I truly think they are very very good, even great, as good as you could do with God help. I especially listen to the dialogues over and over, and could repeat many if not all verbatim. I just love it. Now, a few times around reading the book, I always wondered if everything in the Bible is wrong? I mean, God says that the Bible was not his/her/its creation, or his/her/its words, but still quotes very often the Bible. I also feel and notice, heard that there are many codes in the Bible, and verses that when they are read in a specific manner, a certain number of times, empower in some way, or heal the person who's been doing that task. So, this is so much power, didn't those words come from God. Also, there are many books, book of Jean, Book of.... etc.. None of these came from God?
I would ask the same for Islam, Islam is such a beautiful religion, the Koran is so beautiful as a text, and Mosques are truly wonders. How can all of this not be from God? There are of course from men, so from God, but how can not they be as good for help as your books are?
Finally, i don't know if you would know the answer to that question but, do you really feel one can do whatever he/she wants in Life? I believe we have a personality that is almost pre-set for us. I mean, you were meant to be Neale Donald Walsh. I am not meant to become Neale Donald Walsh in the end. (iam 25 yrs old). I will be whoever I become. but...I mean, Jesus was meant to be Jesus.. and so on and on.
So, even if we try our hardest, won't we just end up doing being what was meant for us to be?.. as i write the question, i feel the answer already..lol..but anyway, thank you for your time, and Long Eternal Life to you. Love from Paris.
Prince.
Clair
June 4, 2008 6:24 AM
Thank you, Neale. I am enjoying your blog. You said, "You can use that tool to gratify your own personal whims or to help the whole world. That choice is yours. If you think you are your body, you may be tempted to make the first choice. If you believe that your body is something you have, not something you are, you may be inspired to make the second choice."
I have realised that when consciousness is embodied so tightly in a human form, that a person believes this form is all they are, then their goal or relationship with life seems to be one of acquisition and competitiveness.
But when a person's consciousness expands beyond their form, they are able to perceive a depth and quality of life interacting with them, and will move into a more harmonious relationship with life. They know themselves and life as abundant, and it is from this place of being that they will act in a powerful and sustainable way.
You also said, "When you want for the whole world what you want for yourself—peace, joy, wisdom, happiness, and love—you multiply the energy you send out. This is called The Multiplier Effect."
I think the effectiveness of what you are wanting or intending to contribute to life is determined by the depth of consciousness within yourself. If your perception or filter of life is that something is missing, then you may be more likely to use personal will and 'effort' to accomplish your process of creation.
If you know yourself and life as abundant, even in its appearance of scarcity, then you are more likely to be aligning yourself with a stream of consciousness that has exponential power and is effortless. 'Wherever two or more are gathered in my name' does have such significance in this context.
Just as consciousness may be embodied within any form and can expand beyond it, so are the solutions of life contained within any problem and beyond it. In terms of being equal to that energy which creates a problem, we have a power to transform in life what we have or are already in a process of accomplishing in ourselves.
Linda
June 4, 2008 11:21 AM
Neal,
Why did you add in your post "I am sure you agree"? Why are you sure we all agree with your post. Would you please allow your readers to give their own meaning to what they read and observe? Your comment is subtle manipulation. Believe it or not, you might even have some Conservative readers.
Nishant
June 4, 2008 4:56 PM
you are too much into logic Neale.
life is far beyond any logic.
about who we are, i would say, we are the highest form of consciousness on earth.
of course on another level we are no body as the earth itself is no body.
but you Neale know this of course...
Nishant
June 4, 2008 5:00 PM
you know Neale, Linda is right here.
all this is much to much about what YOU Neale think.
isn't it about time for Neale to disappear?
maacespana
June 8, 2008 3:38 PM
I don't think Neale meant for all of us to agree, it is simply a sort of speech. I think Linda feels manipulated, it is coming from the way she perceives it. I don't perceive it that way. I read the message and got the substance of it. Then I got my own conclusions which are very similar to his. I might not agree on everything, but I would only feel manipulated when I decide I was manipulated,not necessarily that I had been. Remember we are bound to makes mistakes. Nobody if perfect.
Love and Peace Always
Anonymous
July 10, 2008 9:33 AM
Hello Neale and thank you for your words of wisdom. it is not easy to believe that what little one has is of any use to another. Due mainly because of the frustration felt when I received "half answers" I put myself in the shoes of the person asking and feel they too would be frustrated with my inability to give more.
You say I am to look and study into my questions. The biggest of all questions is why? Everyone who knows me knows this is the first question on my lips. It is everything I am and how I think. Reading throught your book What God wants,it makes total sense. yet also it sounds too simple!The answers are profoundly difficult and prove impossible to change without some radical "Event" happening to make people see on a first-hand level that this system of mankind's misguided attempt at ruling itself cannot continue for much longer. Within that answer lies the thought that God will have to step in to put right the wrongs. This thought of a God who will destroy this system as it stands is, to most thinking people an abhorent one. Where does one draw the line between good and evil? Yet what is one to do? Do we continue to allow those who choose greed, fear, tyranny etc to continue without prevention until there is nothing left? Until anarchy, and destruction is the only way of life? Because this is how I see it going, how it already is! Yet too, this thought is so difficult to hold. evil holds sway, so how does one set about changing this? when-ever mankind is backed into a corner his first thought is I. Not WE, but I! To change this behaviour there has to be some radical and huge change..... to bring people up short. to show them the results and understand their actions.
Obviously a fear of God is not working. That is plain to see. Belief systems, as you so rightly say, just continue to separate. So how does one change this deeply ingrained belief system?
I'm sure like me you've spoken to many, and seen the wall slam down behind their eyes, seen them glaze over? How do you get through to a deadened mind? How do you change things when they choose not to listen?
Returning to my thought earlier whete I mentioned the thought of considering a God who destroys, goes contrary to the resonance within. Such is my quandary. Because I can't accept that mankind has to be destroyed to remove wickedness, but at the same time I know Something has to happen to remove the wickedness of mankind. Something has to stop the outrage of mankind's atrocities shown to fellow man and animals on this planet. Is it purely a change of thinking?
I don't consider it possible for man to do so. How do you bring about changes in those whose minds are closed and focused only on what they have been taught to believe, generations of belief systems. How do you turn them over? How also do you hope to change the thoughts of those surviving and bringing money to the table? How to change those whose way of life is so ingrained in that attainment of riches and security. How does one change them? How do you change their way of dealing with their fellowman and their dealings with nature? Impossible I say! Because greed outways their need to change. So the one question that comes loud and clear from your book What God Wants, is, HOW?
HOW do we turn mankind's inherent greed, evilness and fear around.
HOW do we show them violence, fear and greed is not the answer. HOW can we show them wisdom and explain a different way to them when they choose not to listen?
Their actions will continue to have an effect of our lives. no matter how "Good" we choose to become, no matter how much we consider ourselves to be "Part" of God, we cannot stop them from destroying everything around them. Greed, fear, ignorance, stupidity and a total refusal to see there are problems in this world are the leaders of today and those in power use this and always will. So, do we, who choose goodness have to live under their tyranny until pain and suffering kill us? To die being the only way to remove ourselves from this plane of existance, because in my lack of understanding on how you consider we are going to change this deeply ingrained pattern of mankind, I really find it hard to believe how it is you can see how it will change! Not everyone has a spiritual belief or need. Many do not even see a need to answer to a greater good, being only concerned with the "I" and what it can get out of others. I look forward to your answer.xx Jeannette
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"I believe that this is a soul journey we are on, having nothing to do with the human body. It has no more to do with your body than a bookcase that you built has to do with the hammer and saw you used to build it. Like the hammer and saw, your body is simply your tool. Nothing else. Simply that."
Nothing to do with the body? Are you crazy? (laugh) if that is true we would be nonphysical beings residing on earth. We could not experience the body the way we do in the physical. At this juncture we may be more than our body, probably much more.
However, the decision is to experience this world with and having a physical body is a big reason we are here. Eventually we may change the physical body like getting a new care and have uPgrade and or radically change it. That is much further down er, uP the advanced evolutionary scale.
Eventually and when we die or leave our physical body for perhaps a less physical body or a non physical body or no body at all are journey will have nothing to do with are body. At present I beg to differ considerably.
I get the body is something we have not are, that is, not part of the whole of what we are, but at present, my God, it is certainly a part of who currently are in the physical experience of life on earth, even if it's a physical illusion.
Correction: it should read "Eventually we may change the physical body like getting a new [car] not care [my edit apparently did not go through the 1st time I posted] and have uPgrade and or radically change it. That is much further down er, uP the advanced evolutionary scale.
I am the experience not the body, the soul is the recorder not the producer. I spend my life creating occurrences that cause effects to my body and mind generating emotions that affect my life in intricate ways.
I can either choose to flow easily with events or go against the current and struggle. Both paths have their outcomes and both lead me to the same conclusion. Less pain and struggle causes less growth and lighter understanding. More pain causes deeper insight and excited growth.
The Earth is a pain planet having more ways to achieve growth than pleasure planets that offer slower development with the same effort. I am part of a process that if I trust the process the outcomes will be easily had.
Worrying about the outcomes is a waste of energy because the outcome is always for my highest purpose I will experience the highest result by trusting the process.
I am experiencing what you and I co-create in a process called God which is liken too a computer program running constantly. The process is not controlled by God; we need only input our desires and the computer will create the results. God is nothing more than a concept to name the process.
The process is the spirit of a body with its perpetual individual cells working together to give life so that the body can experience itself in its highest form.
Each human being is a galaxy each spirit its own God and all of us connected to the immortal source. We are endless and we are one off the scale being called the cosmos.
Blessings
Blake Hayner
Blake I like much of your post here. I do however disagree that pain is the quicker way to soul growth or that pleasure planets create slower growth because they have little or no pain to experience.
That's very old school Protestant work ethic bible theology influenced, at least in my book it is.
Yet regardless, societies, planets of luxury, art, beauty and pleasure have most likely outgrown the need to have pain and the contrast they experience does not need to involve pain or very little it at all.
The contrast might be having a great day contrasted with a super good day, contrasted further with a uber over the top good day. No need to have negative contrast.
I do believe and promote that you can spiritually grow by being lighter in negativity, having fun and enjoyment. It doesn't seem to be popular among many spiritual hard heads but I have a few converts.
The interesting thing about negativity is that it has behind it a blessing, a silver lining. Meaning that good is behind it all and inevitable.
It matters less if you call it God, a process etc. It's what we experience at this time through the filter of our current awareness.
My understanding is that all societies, worlds go through the evolution process from being a primitive society and move forward to an advancing society.
All get to a point where technology advances to the point of destroying society because the spiritual advancement has not kept pace with the technological. That's where we seem to be heading or are right now.
So those pleasure planets also started out primitive wise and moved uP the scale of evolution. You could also argue that they are a place where people choose to sustain a certain state of beingness for very extended times. It's out of choice that they do this.
We can be free of negativity and still yearn, long and have great passion to grow spiritually to advance beyond our current capabilities, have fun and grow at the rate we choose and decide to.
Marko; I think Neal's point is our problems come from thinking we are just a body. When we think we are just bodies, we think we are separate from one another. When we think we are separate from one another, our behavior can reflect that - and it's not always pretty. Neal believes that if it is our intention to make this "upgrade", it cannot happen if our consciousness is localized to our bodies.
I do not believe there is such thing as time. So, I don't believe in Achievements. Because achievements take TIME to achieve. I never set goals, because goals take TIME to achieve.
Take Jackie-Joyner-Kersee for example. At a track meet, what's likely going on in her head is, "I must shorten the amount of time between myself and the finishing line. I must shorten it to such a point where it is so short, that it is almost non-existant." In the mind of a runner, someone trying to reach the finishing line, TIME is the problem.
And so it is with the "Upgrade" you speak of, Marko! No effort has to be made for this amazing thing to happen. This amazing thing is actually happening RIGHT NOW. It is possible for you to not be consciously aware of this, though. And that most certainly would be the case if you believed you had to go through pain and torment your entire life. Neale, myself and others try to live our lives trying to tell people that this divine "upgrade" can be made at any moment.
If you've ever been in a meeting, try to imagine those big projection machines they use to show a presentation. Also, imagine the screen that those machines project the image on. That white, empty, blank screen is the physical plane. The projector is you. Whatever happens on that screen is up to you. Should you choose to allow your idea of "Self" to become localized to your human body - sure, ok - but is that what you have planned for your Presentation? Is the 3D projector somehow going mold itself into the 2 dimensional plane of the screen and become part of its own projection?
It is my belief that this phenomena cannot happen, though it is possible for a soul to think it is happening. It is too easy to fall into thinking that we are not in 100% control & creation of everything when we believe we are these bodies AT ALL. We are absolutely so much more than the 2 Dimensional projection. We are projecting absolutely everything.
Look between the keypads of the keyboard in front of you. Do you see specs of dirt, dust, and hair maybe? By virtue of your projection, those materials are there - and they are of no lesser or higher value than the human body, because they are part of the 2D image currently being projected. They serve a divine purpose.
To think that the human body is anything more in value than these materials between your keyboard is to think that one form of energy can be higher in value than another.
To think this way is to observe 2 clay sculptures which were molded from 2 masses of clay identical in weight and say, "That one is heavier."
To think this way is to observe 2 identical pieces of pepperoni pizza...
Ok sorry, some of you might be vegatarians. My deepest apologies. To think this way is to observe 2 identical pieces of delicious Vegetarian pizza on a pan, both containing the same amount of onions, and say "I am going to eat this piece instead of the other, because it has more onions".
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???? I currently am of the temperament that this does not. Perhaps this post has not made any sense. I hope it has!
I have a tendancy to just sort of rant. I hope I am still on topic.
The problem is - one thing is worth more than the other - even though they are the same. And, when this happens with human bodies........ oh boy......
Love,
Phillip Washington
Phillip,
I get what you say of the body,-- and Neale very well could (probably) mean just what you say. From my perspective, he did not qualify but implied what he said and that nuance is the point of view I presented. So no big qualms on that.
You said in part "Neale, myself and others try to live our lives trying to tell people that this divine "upgrade" can be made at any moment."
Ahh yes, you are theoretically and esoterically correct. However, our theory is usually way in advance of our practice or understanding. Shadow beliefs and the under currents of unrecognized sponsoring thoughts need to be dealt with b4 heading to the instant uPgrade you speak of.
You/we have a conception and theory that has in many (not all cases) not yet moved into the space of functioning reality.
So we need to go from theory to functionality before we make the uPgrade you talk of.
Most have not made that jump yet, and I know of no one who has in this current time and space called earth experience.
Our view of time as an illusion and all physical life as illusion is again a theory not quite put into functional reality.
However, the mere fact that we bring uP these ideas and talk about them and live and move into the space as best we are able at any given moment,-- lends the focus to come closer to becoming more understood and eventually understood where theory and functioning reality blend simultaneously.
Hello !
The end of the primaries must be a relief for Democrats today.
It seems that Hillary will finally have to bow out. BUT WAIT... The convention rules make it possible for delegates to switch votes. And the Super's - [despite anything they say] - don't actually vote until the convention.
Today, The AP proclaimed Obama has secured enough delegates to win the nomination - by virtue of the Super's who've committed to Obama.
Hillary might as well wait as long as possible. I hate to point this out people - but this IS POLITICS! And this is the era of camera's and microphones all over the place.
Michelle Obama could bash America again.
[and by the way, it was her right to do so in the now famous speech in Milwaukee - not judging it here - I'm merely pointing out a possibility].
Do the Clinton's know something else ? Does the tape exist?
[Was Michelle Obama taped at the pulpit?]
Listen to what Hillary says tonight folks.
If Hillary continues to press on after tonight .... The Clinton's have bee eluding to "reasons" why Obama cannot win in November.
Just for the record .. of the two candidates .. I prefer Barack Obama.
However, never under estimate Bill and Hillary Clinton's ability to either deny what's true for everyone to see .... or to bury a rival if they have the means to do so.
The Clinton's are second to none when it comes to changing the tide of events.
Marko:
You said that "our theory is usually way in advance of our practice or understanding. Shadow beliefs and the under currents of unrecognized sponsoring thoughts need to be dealt with b4 heading to the instant uPgrade you speak of."
And then you said that "You/we have a conception and theory that has in many (not all cases) not yet moved into the space of functioning reality."
And I say to you that the theory is RIGHT behind the "practice" and the "functionality". Whatever theory is currently present is the theory that will be demonstrated in practice. I do not think there is any pathway, or "heading" to any place. I believe it is a constant practice of whatever theory is currently present. I think it is possible to not be aware of this - as consciousness can be localized to the body - and then one can only be aware of the practicing. Does that make sense?
First I theorize that I can type a complete sentence, and then I behave as though I can, and then I do. This was the theory I was just operating on. Now I am operating under the theory that I can jump on one leg while answering my cellphone. You did not see this but before I was typing this sentence, I actually did just this. Now I have completed a sentence and demonstrated the theory of sentence typing, as you have in turn demonstrated the theory of sentence reading. There was no waiting period. There was no line you will have to stand in to finish reading this sentence. If there was, come back Saturday at 8PM.
In my opinion, that is how fast creation and "change" happens. So, what is the actual theory we are trying to demonstrate? What are our "Shadow thoughts", actually? WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? Do we have to wait?
Would it not serve humanity to acknowledge and accept that our "theories" are RIGHT BEHIND our practices? Would it not make more sense to believe that thought is the first thing to precede function? Then there would be no wait! No waiting period. No background check. No "Shadow thoughts". We can erase the following words off of the dry erase board:
Pain
Suffering
Debt
Loss
If someone claims they are theorizing that pillows can float - and then to demonstrate that theory they throw a television out of the back of a moving car ..... one could believe that their actual theory had more to do with moving cars and televisions.
You say; "Most have not made that jump yet, and I know of no one who has in this current time and space called earth experience."
I know of many.
Love,
Phillip Washington
Hmmmm, interesting stuff here.
I consciously began my spiritual journey when I was 19, I'm 55 now. I was experincing a huge wave of energy which I had to learn to ride or be ridden. I chose to ride. It was an incredible time, I had many powerful spiritual experiences. Out of body stuff, incredible highs and insights.
With all I've experienced, I still get caught up in the my body is me thing, even though I'm aware of the difference between my body and my awareness.
Let me encourage everyone. This is a very cool process, it won't hurt.
It is liberating.
From the beginning, when we came into this world, we've been told that reality is something else. But the reality that we've been taught is incorrect. Nothing in this world is constant, except for change. It's beyond what we see on the surface, everything has many layers of depth, every flower,every child,every sky above us.
Think of this possiblity, this grand possiblity. This moment in life is a great opportunity.
They used to do something at the Magic Mountain Los Angeles called the Connoisseur's Roller Coaster Tour. I did it just once in '86. It was an epiphany.
After closing, the park would let patrons pay additional to ride on the various coasters in small groups of 10-12 while the park managers ran diagnostics on the coasters. Each group went to a different coaster ride. Everyone would pick a seat, ride, then change seats. The different coasters went in a specific rotation. When one coaster finished several rides, the next group would be moved in.
The night I went, I was with a group of friends from New York. We had flown in on a ridiculously inexpensive airfare. We were the last to sign up for the tour, a major blessing. We kept riding each ride until the next ride had moved on. I think we rode the first coaster 5 consecutive times. It was about the 27th ride, as I was changing from the front to the back end of the Colussus Wooden Coaster, that it occurred to me is that life is a roller coaster ride for the soul that One designs for One's selves. We even get to design the dismounts.
Think about it, why would anyone exit the physical world the same way every time? Makes sense to me.
How else do you imagine an eternal Being might choose to savor the luxury of time than playing the game of evolving awareness through the course of lifetimes?
In first grade, at Our Lady of Good Counsel, I remember asking my teacher, " So we go to heaven, then what? " I got my answer on the roller coasters many years later. magic Mountain doesn't do the Connoisseur's Tour anymore. They should revive the tour.
We are all One. One designed it this way. Namaste.
Hi Neale,
It's truly an honor to be able to share with you some of my thoughts about your books. First of all, I truly think they are very very good, even great, as good as you could do with God help. I especially listen to the dialogues over and over, and could repeat many if not all verbatim. I just love it. Now, a few times around reading the book, I always wondered if everything in the Bible is wrong? I mean, God says that the Bible was not his/her/its creation, or his/her/its words, but still quotes very often the Bible. I also feel and notice, heard that there are many codes in the Bible, and verses that when they are read in a specific manner, a certain number of times, empower in some way, or heal the person who's been doing that task. So, this is so much power, didn't those words come from God. Also, there are many books, book of Jean, Book of.... etc.. None of these came from God?
I would ask the same for Islam, Islam is such a beautiful religion, the Koran is so beautiful as a text, and Mosques are truly wonders. How can all of this not be from God? There are of course from men, so from God, but how can not they be as good for help as your books are?
Finally, i don't know if you would know the answer to that question but, do you really feel one can do whatever he/she wants in Life? I believe we have a personality that is almost pre-set for us. I mean, you were meant to be Neale Donald Walsh. I am not meant to become Neale Donald Walsh in the end. (iam 25 yrs old). I will be whoever I become. but...I mean, Jesus was meant to be Jesus.. and so on and on.
So, even if we try our hardest, won't we just end up doing being what was meant for us to be?.. as i write the question, i feel the answer already..lol..but anyway, thank you for your time, and Long Eternal Life to you. Love from Paris.
Prince.
Thank you, Neale. I am enjoying your blog. You said, "You can use that tool to gratify your own personal whims or to help the whole world. That choice is yours. If you think you are your body, you may be tempted to make the first choice. If you believe that your body is something you have, not something you are, you may be inspired to make the second choice."
I have realised that when consciousness is embodied so tightly in a human form, that a person believes this form is all they are, then their goal or relationship with life seems to be one of acquisition and competitiveness.
But when a person's consciousness expands beyond their form, they are able to perceive a depth and quality of life interacting with them, and will move into a more harmonious relationship with life. They know themselves and life as abundant, and it is from this place of being that they will act in a powerful and sustainable way.
You also said, "When you want for the whole world what you want for yourself—peace, joy, wisdom, happiness, and love—you multiply the energy you send out. This is called The Multiplier Effect."
I think the effectiveness of what you are wanting or intending to contribute to life is determined by the depth of consciousness within yourself. If your perception or filter of life is that something is missing, then you may be more likely to use personal will and 'effort' to accomplish your process of creation.
If you know yourself and life as abundant, even in its appearance of scarcity, then you are more likely to be aligning yourself with a stream of consciousness that has exponential power and is effortless. 'Wherever two or more are gathered in my name' does have such significance in this context.
Just as consciousness may be embodied within any form and can expand beyond it, so are the solutions of life contained within any problem and beyond it. In terms of being equal to that energy which creates a problem, we have a power to transform in life what we have or are already in a process of accomplishing in ourselves.
Neal,
Why did you add in your post "I am sure you agree"? Why are you sure we all agree with your post. Would you please allow your readers to give their own meaning to what they read and observe? Your comment is subtle manipulation. Believe it or not, you might even have some Conservative readers.
you are too much into logic Neale.
life is far beyond any logic.
about who we are, i would say, we are the highest form of consciousness on earth.
of course on another level we are no body as the earth itself is no body.
but you Neale know this of course...
you know Neale, Linda is right here.
all this is much to much about what YOU Neale think.
isn't it about time for Neale to disappear?
I don't think Neale meant for all of us to agree, it is simply a sort of speech. I think Linda feels manipulated, it is coming from the way she perceives it. I don't perceive it that way. I read the message and got the substance of it. Then I got my own conclusions which are very similar to his. I might not agree on everything, but I would only feel manipulated when I decide I was manipulated,not necessarily that I had been. Remember we are bound to makes mistakes. Nobody if perfect.
Love and Peace Always
Hello Neale and thank you for your words of wisdom. it is not easy to believe that what little one has is of any use to another. Due mainly because of the frustration felt when I received "half answers" I put myself in the shoes of the person asking and feel they too would be frustrated with my inability to give more.
You say I am to look and study into my questions. The biggest of all questions is why? Everyone who knows me knows this is the first question on my lips. It is everything I am and how I think. Reading throught your book What God wants,it makes total sense. yet also it sounds too simple!The answers are profoundly difficult and prove impossible to change without some radical "Event" happening to make people see on a first-hand level that this system of mankind's misguided attempt at ruling itself cannot continue for much longer. Within that answer lies the thought that God will have to step in to put right the wrongs. This thought of a God who will destroy this system as it stands is, to most thinking people an abhorent one. Where does one draw the line between good and evil? Yet what is one to do? Do we continue to allow those who choose greed, fear, tyranny etc to continue without prevention until there is nothing left? Until anarchy, and destruction is the only way of life? Because this is how I see it going, how it already is! Yet too, this thought is so difficult to hold. evil holds sway, so how does one set about changing this? when-ever mankind is backed into a corner his first thought is I. Not WE, but I! To change this behaviour there has to be some radical and huge change..... to bring people up short. to show them the results and understand their actions.
Obviously a fear of God is not working. That is plain to see. Belief systems, as you so rightly say, just continue to separate. So how does one change this deeply ingrained belief system?
I'm sure like me you've spoken to many, and seen the wall slam down behind their eyes, seen them glaze over? How do you get through to a deadened mind? How do you change things when they choose not to listen?
Returning to my thought earlier whete I mentioned the thought of considering a God who destroys, goes contrary to the resonance within. Such is my quandary. Because I can't accept that mankind has to be destroyed to remove wickedness, but at the same time I know Something has to happen to remove the wickedness of mankind. Something has to stop the outrage of mankind's atrocities shown to fellow man and animals on this planet. Is it purely a change of thinking?
I don't consider it possible for man to do so. How do you bring about changes in those whose minds are closed and focused only on what they have been taught to believe, generations of belief systems. How do you turn them over? How also do you hope to change the thoughts of those surviving and bringing money to the table? How to change those whose way of life is so ingrained in that attainment of riches and security. How does one change them? How do you change their way of dealing with their fellowman and their dealings with nature? Impossible I say! Because greed outways their need to change. So the one question that comes loud and clear from your book What God Wants, is, HOW?
HOW do we turn mankind's inherent greed, evilness and fear around.
HOW do we show them violence, fear and greed is not the answer. HOW can we show them wisdom and explain a different way to them when they choose not to listen?
Their actions will continue to have an effect of our lives. no matter how "Good" we choose to become, no matter how much we consider ourselves to be "Part" of God, we cannot stop them from destroying everything around them. Greed, fear, ignorance, stupidity and a total refusal to see there are problems in this world are the leaders of today and those in power use this and always will. So, do we, who choose goodness have to live under their tyranny until pain and suffering kill us? To die being the only way to remove ourselves from this plane of existance, because in my lack of understanding on how you consider we are going to change this deeply ingrained pattern of mankind, I really find it hard to believe how it is you can see how it will change! Not everyone has a spiritual belief or need. Many do not even see a need to answer to a greater good, being only concerned with the "I" and what it can get out of others. I look forward to your answer.xx Jeannette
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