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Obama and hell

Friday July 25, 2008

Categories: God, Politics

What does Barack Obama think about God sending people to hell as a punishment of everlasting and indescribable torture if they do not come to Him through Jesus Christ? Is Obama a true "Christian?"

Newsweek magazine, in its July 21 edition, ran a fascinating and informative cover story about Sen. Obama under the headline WHAT HE BELIEVES in which it explored, in considerable detail, the religious persuasion of the presumptive Democatic presidential nominee.

Among other things, the story should serve to put an end to the idea -- still, amazingly, held by some apparently dim-witted Americans -- that Mr. Obama is a Muslim. Apparently, according to some polls, some 25% of the electorate hangs onto this idea. (Perhaps they do so not out of simple, raw ignorance, but out of malicious intent, hoping to spread the idea by sharing it with others, even though they know it is not true. Not that being a Muslim, in and of itself, should disqualify anyone from becoming President of the United States in a land of "equal opportunity for all," but most people understand that many, many Americans have no intention of offering such equal opportunity to a Muslim, for goodness sake. For that matter, not even to a Mormon.)

The Newsweek article offered a terrific insight into Mr. Obama's spiritual life -- and I was very impressed by the wonderful journalism done here. Most interesting of all to me was Mr. Obama's views about the standard Christian doctrine of eternal damnation.

That doctrine states that those who do not come to God through Jesus Christ will be condemned to unremitting torture in the everlasting fires of hell -- nomatter how good a person has been in her or his life. It does not matter whether one has been kind and generous, caring and compassionate, patient and understanding, forgiving and loving all throughout life.

Posh, says God. Meaningless trivia. I am concerned only with doctrinal adherence regarding the Reentry Process. I threw you out of Paradise because you were not Perfect, and I made it impossible for you to ever BE Perfect, so I sent you my Son, Jesus, to make things right by shedding his blood on your behalf -- for a blood sacrifice is the only thing that will do. THAT is how bad you all are! And Jesus TOLD you that the only way back to Me was through Him. If you do not believe that, I will extract my blood from YOU! You shall writhe and burn in incomprehensible pain.anguish, and torture forever, and even forever more.


(Well, maybe Standard Christian Doctrine doesn't put it in those terms, but that's what it means; that's what it comes down to.)

Newsweek says that Mr. Obama told its reporters, in the background for the story, that his mother was a wonderful person who did good works all her life, and tried hard to show compassion and caring for all. She taught him, among other things, to be tolerant of other people's views, even when he may disagree with them.

That is where he obtained his political training, in a sense. Then he related how Franklin Graham, the son of Rev. Billy Graham and now head of Dr. Graham's ministry, asked him how, as a Christian, he could, in Newsweek's words, "reconcile New Testament claims that salvation was attainable only through Jesus Christ with a campaign that embraces pluralism and diversity."

Mr. Obama told Newsweek that he replied:

"It is a precept of my Christian faith that my redemption comes through Christ, but I am also a big believer in the Golden Rule, which I think is an essential pillar not only of my faith but of my values and my ideals and my experience here on Earth. I've said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know...I do not believe she went to hell."

So there you have it. Does that mean that Barack Obama is not a Christian? I am anxious to hear from all of the other Christian bloggers on Beliefnet on this question -- although I don't expect a single one of them to respond here to this question. Will you? Do you have an answer to this question? What do you think...is Sen. Obama a Christian if he doesn't believe that his mother went to hell?

Comments
eastcoastlady
August 1, 2008 10:50 AM

CassieMack,
I can only thank G-d that my fate is not subject to your judgment.

Being apparently very judgmental, per the words used in your post...

mohanchous
August 3, 2008 11:02 PM

CassieMack:

I can only thank G-d that my fate is not subject to your judgment.

Being apparently very judgmental, per the words used in your post...

I think you misinterpret. It's not I who am judgmental, it is God. What I quoted came out of the Bible. And I abhor the God of the Bible.

If you are going to follow Christianity, you have to choose between Biblical Christianity replete with God's cruelty as I have expounded above, or else make over Christianity with some semblance of human decency. The former is inhuman, the latter deceitful. Which is why I reject Christianity.

K. Koje
August 4, 2008 10:54 AM

It is always the saddest thing for me to watch the terrible dumbing of human minds perpetrated by folks who stand and present themselves as spiritual leaders without even a stab at examining realistically what they believe. The Biblical description of love should settle absolutely and for all time whether God ["God Is Love"]would create a system of torture for those who displease "him". This when a thorough examination of the history of the Christian Church would point directly to the authors of the lie and debunk it most effectively. Organized Christianity is drenched in the blood of billions of human beings since its inception. It is responsible for untold suffering, for brutal wars, savage betrayals and grand theft on a scale, unprecedented in history. Is there any wonder its God would reason that even his son must die in torture, betrayal and pain? Get real! The Infinite Spirit, Creator of life, has nothing to do with this sad story.

Mind is a wonderful thing. It always exists. Always has, always will. We have mind even when we don't have body. Mind is the evidence of our immortality. However, the beliefs of the mind follow it beyond its release from the body. Believe that God torments you in hell for your sins and you will get exactly what you believe. Again the True "God" has nothing to do with this!

don
August 11, 2008 9:01 PM


Where did this idea come from about a firely hell reserved for the devil and his followers...including those of the human race who have decided to follow him?

From the bible?

To follow satan is to be in rebellion AGAINST God.

So if the idea is clearly stated in the bible (the question above is about christian belief) then why is there even a question. Just look it up and get it straight from the horses mouth.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

mark steele
September 11, 2008 9:59 PM

There is no such thing as satan or the devil and no one judges us except us.
Why would the all that is want to harm a part of itself?
All this born again poppycock is utter nonsense,actually it is so confused that it has even chucked a few imaginary bits into the bible like this thing called the rapture.
The rapture is more star trek than religion but i suppose scare tactics have worked for thousands of years and if it is not broke why fix it.
We go where we want to go and there is no dood with a big tail and a cutlery set waiting for us.
Just the appleorange no more no less

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