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Dear Neale:
You addressed a question (and fear) that I too have had since I read the CWG books. The question of whether or not GOD cares what we do or how we feel twards Him. The idea that he doesn't was hard for me to accept even though I had the exact same feelings years before I read your book. I have taught myself that if there is a sin it was people not actively communicating with God. If I was actively with God I was not living in sin, but if not I was in sin. It didn't mattered whether I was doing good or bad I was in sin if I wasn't activaly seeking GOD thru prayer or meditation. All else was sin. The fears and sense of alonness began when I realized through His words in your books that I was right. To know, really know that God doesn't care what we do Is a harsh reality to accept even knowing that it is true.
I believe and accept almost all your (HIS) words in the books and sometimes I feel alone because of them. I have lost my understanding of the need for prayer and now I just talk to Him as a friend. And yes
He does answer sometimes.
I have a friend who heals people and I have to wonder what it is that she does that I don't. Is He more pleased with her than me? I don't think so but I don't have an answer.
Thank You
Bill
Deb Reilly
August 17, 2008 10:34 AM
God has no opinion about anything?
God is not some murky, 'secret', or Candy Store in the Universe.
You belittle God, Neale. And your tutor laughs.
Deb Reilly
August 17, 2008 10:42 AM
Bill, God is not more pleased with your friend than with you. God didn't give me Barbara's voice, or Mother Theresa's drive for the greater good, but God loves us equally.
All of us have been given a unique set of gifts and challenges to develop and use in our lives.
God is healing through your friend. God is using you in a different, but no less important way.
If something is making you feel alone, it is not of God. God is always with you.
May peace
August 17, 2008 10:56 AM
Dear Neale: you dont know how meeting you have changed my life. And I did not have the pleasure to meet you in person yet. But I have been reading your books since I was 17 and now in my 30s I have to tell you that it all was a sort of beautiful connections (coincidences I used to think) since the moment that your first book came in to my hands.
I read your last book "Happier than God" and you gave precisely the information I needed, complete and clear. The part that was not revealed until now, in full detail within all the wise manuscripts that many brilliant authors wrote, was what humankind is needing right now. I know that at present times there are hundreds of thousands of people all around the world trying to live this reality, trying to reshape reality and embrace life as it is. And knowing that the way to create our experience as we desire works better when we do it out of unconditional love, that is, thinking about the benefit of others first than ours, and that in doing so we benefit as well because we are the same is what gave me the last impulse to create in my life the experience I was trying to for so long time. I had my own personal miracle few weeks ago, and I still feel like I am dreaming. Now there is just one thing I still am trying to understand about this mechanism. And it is that you said we rather choose whatever can bring peace, love and joy to those whose life we touch. And I just feel that in the end, we will always have to ask God to take some decisions for us. I mean, we are not fully aware of all the consequences of our present decisions in the long run (I mean future wise). And we can not know ultimately if the decisions and elections we make are going to be for the benefit of others in the long run neither. I am still trying to solve this mistery.
Thank you Neale, God bless you for being in this world.
T
August 17, 2008 11:23 AM
Deb;
I was kinda hoping that God was the candy store of the universe. That sounds like a "highest thought" to me.
Why is that belittling God and who is the tutor???
Respectfully,
T
Cynthia
August 17, 2008 11:38 AM
Thanks Neale, I'm so glad God tells you like it IS....
I'm sorry people, but if you need a religion keep making one and keep fighting over which one is right.
You will experience all you need to experience in the process of awareness to know Who you really are.
Claire Brown
August 17, 2008 11:39 AM
"Not caring what we do is not the same as not loving us."
Neale, I appreciate your sharing your insights with all of us. But I had to smile when I read your description of a parent sending children out to play. As a mother, and now a grandmother of two small boys, 3 and 5, I know that mothers (and teachers of small children) definitely DO care how children play with one another. Teaching small children how to share and play together is a major job and concern of mothers and teachers. It is this caring about what their children do that is one of the ways that they show their love for their children.
Claire
Prasad
August 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Deb,
Of course, God couldn't have an opinion about anything. The logic is clearly explained by Neale. How could All That Is have an 'opinion' about some part of ItSelf?
Do you have an opinion about your head or toe or liver or intestine? You can observe their function, and you can tell that to yourself. But you can only be yourself talking to yourself about yourself, right? That's utmost what God's opinions can be about. There's nothing to be compared with anything else, and all that's left is simple observation.
It is easy to accept the logic that God, being All That IS, has no preferences. This can be taken to mean that to say that striving for good has no value at all in God's eyes, and all people who do things with Love are equal to those who do things with Hate and Fear. That's a shock. That doesn't seem fair does it?
The logic of the above question is simple, the answer is simpler. We do things that define ourselves in whatever way we choose. Period. So if I wanna be a thief, I thieve. If I wanna be a murderer, I murder. If I wanna be a saint, I commit saintly acts. But these are good roles or bad roles to play. These are just roles in the Big Game. That's how Neale sees things, I guess.
This answer is satisfactory to me, still unsatisfactory. I can't explain it. Of what value is the 'good' things we do? Just self definition? Then 'bad' stuff that we do also serve self definition. Why should one self definition , that of Love, Unity, Peace, be favorable to the humanity than Hatred, Fear ?
Why does every religion stress on service to humanity? Why does every mythology speak of Self sacrifice for a greater 'good' (God, maybe)? Why does every story of religion speak of 'values' , ethical, moral? I agree these are 'made' up, but these are also 'inspirations' from Divinity. Why should we seek to understand the true nature of the Divine? Why should we Love? Why should we move on to a world of greater understanding, peace, and harmony?
What the heavens are we looking for as human beings?
Love and Light.
Deb Reilly
August 17, 2008 1:20 PM
I hear the voice of God.
I hear the voice of Satan.
Literally.
This morning, Satan asked me, "Debbie, if you know God loves you no matter what you do, why do you waste your time being such a goody-goody?"
The answer is simple.
God cares about everything. That does not mean God judges us. We judge ourselves. I have an imperfect understanding of how much God loves me, but I know it's beyond description. I am trying to improve the best I am capable of not just for me. I want to show my appreciation for all I have been given by God. I thank God.
What I meant by saying God is not a candy store is that God does not give us everything we want. (As no loving parent gives their children everything they want.) God gives us everything we need, and lots of things we want. Personally, I know I've been given many things I never would have thought to ask for.
I have no religion. What church would have me? Life is not some frivolous game to casually drift through, thinking, "Oh well. Next time I'll try harder." This is it. And all the things we are learning will enrich our eternity together.
Icarus
August 17, 2008 1:32 PM
Hi Neale,
Can God really do more than one thing at a time or is God like a computer or a human which/who can only do one thing at a time, but time shares so fast that it seems like simultanious multitasking?
I would never use words that others might not know, like "satsang". After all I'm not writing to me.
Icarus
SheerLuckHolmes
August 17, 2008 1:33 PM
Prasad,
You ask, “Why should one self definition , that of Love, Unity, Peace, be favorable to the humanity than Hatred, Fear ?”
What I get, at this point, is that what is left, after you let go of right vs. wrong or better vs. worse, is what works and doesn’t work.
Let’s start at God=Life Life=God. These inadequate human words mean the same energy. We are Life experiencing Life, here in the physical and beyond physical, all at the same time. What works and what doesn’t work then becomes what continues, expands and enhances Life and what doesn’t. Love works to continue, expand and enhance Life. Hatred doesn’t (although living a life of hatred does offer a life experience of what love is not, thereby providing the contrast and understanding of both). “Understanding, peace and harmony…” works to continue, expand and enhance Life=God/God=Life. Lack of understanding, warring and disharmony do not. However, they do, again, offer the experience of not working that allows us to “get” the difference and choose to move into the understandings, peace, harmonies, Self sacrifice for the “greater good”, values, ethics, and morals that we “make up” that do work.
At any rate, that is my understandings at this point. And at this point they work for me, until I see and “get” something more.
T
August 17, 2008 3:31 PM
Thanks for the reply, Deb. I understand better now.
It reminds me of when, in CwG, God said, "You can't have anything you want". Neal was like, "what?".
"You can't have anything you wan't"
I understand it now. The act of "wanting" produces want. If I "want" candy, I will have "want" for candy.
The trick is to "attract" candy. At least for me.
T
GiftofWisdom
August 17, 2008 5:20 PM
Hey Deb Reilly,
you wrote:
I hear the voice of God.
I hear the voice of Satan.
Literally.
Which voice you hear the most of? Something is wrong when you are having Conversations with Satan like yall friends. How do you discern the voice of God and Satan? Because if you know its Satan why put up with his words if you alreadly know he is a liar? Something is really wrong if Satan be speaking to you so freely.
Deb Reilly
August 17, 2008 6:05 PM
And you are sure of this because?
Every clairvoyant who is hearing a 'sage spirit' is hearing Satan. How do I know? Because any spirit other than Satan glorifies God. Every spirit but Satan is enthralled with God. Every spirit but Satan is grateful to God.
Satan has been speaking to people for thousands of years under the guise of some other personality. Why am I hearing Satan as Satan? I do not know. But I am no longer afraid of a spirit who has terrified me in the past. Satan is THE liar of the Earth. Discernment has been a process, because Satan poses as God, but there are subtle and not so subtle differences.
God is never glib. God never pokes fun at anyone. God is always loving and kind. God never compares. God never tells the future. God never makes judgments.
Those are just a few things for you to think about.
God is completely AWESOME!
Love,
Deb Reilly :-)
Lisa | Holistic-Treatment-for-Depression
August 17, 2008 7:43 PM
I guess I have questions about God being here for OUR use and not the other way around. Although we have free will, does that mean that our will is more important than God's? I don't believe that. Perhaps this is another way of saying that our free will enables us to live a life separate from God -- which so many people choose to do -- but the idea that God would be used for some sort of evil - like a war or murder -- doesn't seem right to me.
Perhaps this is something you could elaborate on, as I feel like I'm not really understanding your point.
Lisa
William Daspit
August 17, 2008 8:06 PM
Dear Neale,
You asked the following questions in the blog section of your Newsletter #305 (Aug 16). I am responding to those questions.
Jesus died on the cross because he loved us, you say. Fair enough, and okay. But why was his death necessary in the first place? What was he saving us from? And why was our being "saved" even necessary? Those are the questions. Any thoughts on this?
Jesus was an avatar. He came to earth of his own free will. His purpose in incarnating was to demonstrate by example how to love God, how to love one's neighbor, and how to love all manifestations of God. Another reason Jesus came to earth was to teach, by example, that each person is first and foremost a spiritual being and that "dying" in the normal sense means only that the physical body no longer exists in physicality. What Jesus demonstrated is that each person can be their own saviour by following his example. Jesus the Christ is one of many Christed avatars. Of all the Christed avatars, Jesus is the one who is the most Self-realized in God. Jesus did not come to earth to start a church or any particular religion. The religion named after Jesus was developed by others who attempted to understand the teachings of Jesus as best they could. There is a wonderful book titled "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" by Claire Heartsong. In this book there is a great deal of information on the life of Jesus. I highly recommend that anyone wanting to know the true stories about Jesus read this book.
William Daspit
Brier, WA
langzaam
August 17, 2008 8:55 PM
Dear Neale, In soooooo many sentences you said that God is Nature.
Jeanne Webster
August 17, 2008 9:26 PM
I am posting to give my two cents on why it was necessary for Jesus to die on the cross.
I believe the concept that Jesus died for our sins to be completely ego based, but then again it is always all about us. If we could push past the idea that he died for our sins we may open new discussion on why it was necessary for him to die.
IMHO it was not about the dying at all, but about eternal life. Crucifixtion was the "pushishment du jour" back in those times. This was not a one time event just presented for Jesus. He crossed alot of powerful people with his teachings and they didnt like it.
The real kicker for me was that Jesus rose from the dead. It was proof positive of everlasting life. The perfect testiment to the truth of everything he taught. How would we even have the idea of everlasting and eternal life if he hadnt died and then risen?
But then again it presented the opportunity for control and a healthy dose of guilt to enter the religious picture. "He died for your sins" is a wonderful way to insure that we submit and capitulate to the man made laws of religion. To keep us so ashamed that we cut ourselves off from our own divinity and urged us to trade our orignial power for forgiveness.
Everywhere you look there are the reminders of the horror of Jesus being put to death. The cross hangs in every church and around the necks of those that are Christian. Who wouldnt live in guilt and remorse if everytime you went to commune or visit God, you were reminded his only begotten son died so horribly.
Personally I believe in Jesus and his teachings and the Christ grid, but I dont wear a cross. I wear a small stone that reminds of the best example he could have ever left us with, we do live, there is everlasting life. So roll the stone away!
susan
August 17, 2008 10:20 PM
After reading Neale's and everyone's posts and considering, it made me think that the if we apply the idea of
"Love God with all your heart"
to what Neale says, then it could mean to Love LIFE and the endless posssibility for expression.
And likewise, the idea of
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
would be a very helpful idea to take along on the playground because obviously, its a lot more fun to play when nobody is punching you in the nose.
And if everyone is
a) living their life's highest expression and
b) allowing others to do the same, and
c) not harming others to get what you want (Because you already have everything you want there's no need to take away from another's experience),
then wow... that sounds like heaven to me.
Prasad
August 17, 2008 10:20 PM
Dear SheerLuckHolmes,
>>What I get, at this point, is that what is left, after you let go of right vs. wrong or better vs. worse, is what works and doesn’t work.
I agree that Love works, and Hate does not. But to produce what? You answered this too -
>>“Understanding, peace and harmony…” works to continue, expand and enhance Life=God/God=Life. Lack of understanding, warring and disharmony do not.
Fear does not enhance Life,God? Are you assuming that God is 'good', again? Doesn't Fear produce anger, rage, in much quantities? Can God be 'limited' by our Fears? Is that how it works?
I thought Fear and Love merely show different aspects of Divinity, aspects that look totally contradictory to one another. Are these somehow less of God than Love? If so, why? God is All That Is, right? How is one form better or good than another? Why should we even care about choosing Love than Fear and Hate, if God is All Loving and doesn't care about what we do here on earth?
Honestly speaking, I see the point as I have gotten to the root of this argument by following a similar line of thought in my mind. But I think for most, this is a radical God who does not bother about us doing good or bad, who says good-bad doesn't exist. Such a God seems dangerous to many people, and perhaps these kinds of questions come in their mind too. I think most find it intriguing as to why one must be a good person on earth if God doesn't care.
Love and Light.
SheerLuckHolmes
August 18, 2008 12:10 AM
Prasad,
You keep asking about what is better than - less than. Read Neale's books again, read his post at the top of this thread.
God is everything and all energy, not an individual being (unless It wants to be from time to time). All that exists that we can be aware of is God expressing as life, from each person on the planet down to the smallest particle within an atom to everything that is not even physical. All is God=Life=energy=intelligence= omnipresence in all things moving, shifting and expressing, to experience Itself, to know Itself.
I am not assuming that God is good or bad, but God will allow us to express the energy that is God into the experience of good or bad, for those experiences produce understandings which produce evolution. A child touches a hot stove. That experience is bad because the child is hurt. That experience is good because the child learns that hot things can burn and the child will be more careful, therefore the child evolves. But the experience is good and bad at the same time. But it is neither good nor bad because learning has taken place. So it becomes what works and what does not work. God wants to grow and expand and experience Itself through an evolving Creation.
Must a person be a good person on earth if God doesn’t care. No, there is no “must”. There is only experience and the evolution that is the result of experience. Each person will evolve according to their unique gifts, skill, and talents into greater and more refined expressions of themselves as they learn what works and what doesn’t.
But does God care? I think God cares quite a bit, or else why go to all the trouble to create a Universe or more? I think God cares enough to be each and every particle of everything that exists. I think God cares and values experience, learning and evolving so much that God is willing to be everything all at once. Good, bad, high, low, black, white, cold, hot, solid, gas, man, woman- all this and everything else to support the process of Life.
Now, brother, that’s caring.
Twenty Six
August 18, 2008 3:00 AM
Thanks Neale!
And great inputs everyone. This discussion is really going forward..
About parenting..
My observation and experience tells me that parents rarely welcome any changes in their way of raising their children. I know that we reflect and consider, often question ourselves, but it just never seems to be a subject of change.
Anyone ever hear the phrases?: When i was young... My parents... I was raised...
I have observed and i can't say that i (in my experience) remember a parent ever saying: I chose this... I believe that... What i learned...
It's easy to think and believe that everything we do for our children we do with Love. News is we don't. In reality a lot of times we often do things out of fear. Many parents often tell their kids: It's only the weak that draws attention to problems or problems to attention - It's only the weak that involves in fighting or "trouble".
Who wish trouble for their kids? I assume no parent does. The truth is that we cannot keep them from "trouble" - And what happens when the child ends up in "trouble" and refers to what his parents told him - That it is only the weak... - How is that child going to feel then?
And one can only imagine how many situations this example applies too.
I hope you understand my point here and what i'm saying. My english is somewhat limited. And sorry if this is off topic in any way.
Hugs,
Twenty Six
Twenty Six
August 18, 2008 3:38 AM
Sheerluckholmes,
You put it so well. Thank you!
I believe as parents our "job" is to support and lead our kids through this learning process. Our "job" is not to teach them what works and whats not. Which is what i was trying to point out in my earlier post.
/Twenty Six
Prasad
August 18, 2008 5:47 AM
Dear SheerLuckHolmes
>>>You keep asking about what is better than - less than.
Not exactly. I am asking, what should be the drive for humans to strive to create a world of peace, Love and equality? Why do it at all? I perfectly understand that there are no 'should's or 'shouldn't's in creation. It's all personal reality creation, and experience.
But then, why bother? This way (Love) or that way (Fear/Hate), we experience something new, expansive. Is there a purpose to humanity as a whole to move to a higher (more spiritual) experience? Is that why all religions stress on doing 'good', service to humanity and nature?
Why is it that enlightened beings become automatically 'good'? Why is it that enlightened beings become symbols of Love, and not Fear? Enlightenment by itself means "transcendence", beyond the world of Duality, all opposites. How is this place not a mixture of Love and Fear, or devoid of both? ( Love is supposedly this transcendence itself, and all emotions are a form of Love, including fear. But apparently Fear/Hate seems everything opposite to Love/Compassion. Its indeed a strange dichotomy )
>>>A child touches a hot stove. That experience is bad because the child is hurt. That experience is good because the child learns that hot things can burn and the child will be more careful, therefore the child evolves. But the experience is good and bad at the same time. But it is neither good nor bad because learning has taken place. So it becomes what works and what does not work.
There seems the flaw in the logic here. Touching the fire, the child learns something. Yes. But how does that become 'not functional/working' by itself? It is not functional only if the child doesn't want to get hurt, right? Now imagine the child is a part of God. So if God wants to have the experience of not-getting-hurt, then its perfectly fine to use the learning from having touched the fire once, to not touch it again. But if God wants to experience getting hurt, then its OK to touch the fire again.
What works and what doesn't work can be said only given a destination to reach, right? My question is, why go for that destination at all??? I assume the answer to this is your statement-
>>God wants to grow and expand and experience Itself through an evolving Creation.
But hey, God is All That Is, right? So why does He/She 'want' the experience at all? And why does He/She want to 'grow', 'expand'??? Aren't these terms meaningless from the point of view of All That Is? So why learn from the experience? Why re-member? Why seek enlightenment? Why Love? Why Create? If Creation is to satisfy the 'desire' of God to Experience Himself, that doesn't that suggest an incompleteness of God ItSelf?
Love and Light.
SheerLuckHolmes
August 18, 2008 12:23 PM
Amazingly Neales next blog answers your questions perfectly, so I'll just bow out and referr you to Neale's post, "Why 'bad' things happen" dated Monday August 18.
GiftofWisdom
August 18, 2008 7:20 PM
Deb-
Are you a physic? or have you practiced any type of witchcraft? or been around it?
Yes I agree Satan has been speaking to people for thousands of years but I don't agree he has been speaking to God's people like he is speaking to you. You either full of God or you not. Good and evil spirits can not dwell in the same body temple. The bible teaches that. God and the devil does not dwell together. You say you don't know why you are hearing satan as satan that is a serious thing that you should check out. Since he doesn't terrify you anymore he has become normal to you. He is a master of deception. I seen satan at work in people, I seen demonic possessed people, I seen God power at work, I have seen evil at work and God at work.
The reason I ask if you can discern the spirits because I know he has poses himself as God to people. Don't forget the devil was once with God in heaven. Thats why its good to know who God really is and not let books that doesn't line of with the bible take you off course. Jesus said "my sheep know my voice." Remember the devil wants to be God, he has physic and God has prophets.
And God does nothing unless he reveals it to his prophets, so he does tell the future but he doesn't tell when the world is coming to an end.
God told a modern day prophet about the economy, the midwest floods, Hurricane Katrina, and many more. This prophet I do know and he wrote a book in the 80s that mention all these things and also mentioned there will be a black president in the U.S. He's no physic but a prophet of God.
Maria
August 18, 2008 11:44 PM
The other day I was in the supermarket line, waiting for my turn, and the son-in-law of woman who used to work for me got in the line next to mine. At first I felt a little bit uncomfortable, because lately, him and his wife avoid talking to me, I don’t know for what reason, but then I just wished them all the best and minded my business. But I still felt uncomfortable, so knowing how feelings are important I thought how would I feel if the best happened to him. “I would feel very happy.” Believe it or not at that very moment the man who was in front of him, who had a full cart let him move ahead in the line. I was in awe. I had seen it before but never as explicitly and immediately. And as for me, I was so happy the rest of the weekend. It was wonderful. God does respond to our thoughts and feelings.
Love, love, love
Maria
Rick
August 18, 2008 11:46 PM
Hi Neale,
First of all I want to thank you for all you have tought me about God. At last a teaching that made sense.
I was raised catholic, as a child I was forced to go to church every Sunday, I never cared for any of it, starting with the smell of incense.
Now I'm an adult and don't care for any organized religion and I'm happy with that. I started reading your books shortly after my father passed away in November 1993. I needed answers, and reading your books gave me a sense of knowing, understanding the whole cycle of life; all of a sudden life made sense, and I thank you for that.
However, in your books, I don't recall reading about dark entities, white entities, ghost encounters. Can you explain some of this?. Today I was reading a book about some of this stuff and it left a strange feeling in me.
I feel that when we leave our physical bodies we move into a higher dimension full of love and total knowledge; what I read didn't indicate any of this.
Your insight will be very much appreciated.
Thank You,
Rick.
Deb Reilly
August 20, 2008 12:32 AM
Gift of Wisdom,
Thanks for your concern. Believe me, when this first started, I was scared out of my wits! I am with God. I turn Satan off.
I have learned that Satan has more access to us than I ever believed.
As a child, I was taught that Satan was almost as powerful as God, and he had many fallen angels under his power. Neither is true. Satan is like a flea to God's Universal Love.
I know Christians do not believe that Satan can inhabit the same space as God, but I know different. Satan is always on the prowl. Satan will exploit any flaw within us to dig his way in and spread his poison. Satan is whispering his hateful thoughts to everyone. It is up to us not to listen. It is up to us to turn to God always! We are not perfect, but we can ask God to be with God in spirit always.
(No, I was never into anything like witchcraft, nor have I been around it.)
I could be wrong, but I do not believe God ever tells the future. That's Satan's thing. Please think about it. God gave us the wonderful gift of free will. If God told us what the future would bring, that would effect our free will. Satan has tried to tell me the future many times. He is a liar, but even liars hit the mark some times.
Love and Peace in Christ,
Deb
Sol
August 20, 2008 3:03 AM
Deb,
Sorry to bother you again, and I do appreciate your previous response to me, but the unwavering certainty you exhibit in the existence of Satan is interesting to me. Why is it that past life regressive therapy, liked we talked about earlier, and paranormal phenomenon like being psychic, are always the work of the red suited hooligan? (Pardon my playfulness if you will).
Why do I ask this? Because I would be willing to bet that most people are willing to look at alternative explanations as to why things are the way they are in our world without claiming (so righteously as you presumably do) that it is indeed Satan who is responsible, and I'm curious to learn from someone like you why or how this is true for you?
God never tells the future? What if a psychic tells someone not to get on a certain plane, and the person heeds the advice or warning and it ends up saving that person's life because the plane crashed? What about the psychics that work with law enforcement and help solve crimes? Are they under Satan's spell as well? Is this a gift to help people, or is Satan just working his magic?
Another reason I am so curious about people who believe in Satan as a real entity is because they seem to want it both ways, making it so it is always a win-win situation for them. For example, when I hear you speak of Satan it is of something that is indeed out to cause us harm or make our life or the lives of others miserable and difficult. Yet, when I took part in Eckhart Tolle's online class, all the Christians (at least the fundamentalists) were saying he was an "angel of light" who was working on Satan's behalf to steer people away from Scripture. Yet someone like Tolle has brought about a lot of good in this world and changed peoples' lives for the better no matter how much people try to dismiss him. So I guess I am getting two different messages here. One that says Satan is evil and wants to bring about evil in this world through us, (Hitler comes to mind) and another that says Satan is a liar and a deceiver who works through people like Tolle to lead people away from the Bible, even though he quotes Jesus rather extensively, and even though that person may exude peace, love, and tolerance for others while teaching and helping people to create a better life for themselves. Which one is it, or is it both? Seems a bit selfish and greedy to own both definitions of Satan, and it appears to me that religion has a monopoly on him. Having it both ways is usually an indication of falsity, distortion of the truth, or lack of the truth.
Is Satan's actual, real presence evident in someone like Hitler or Tolle? If it's both, then I think that a person that asserts this, (not saying you Deb) loses all credibility. So you can see how someone like me finds this to be very problematic.
Well, just some questions I have because like I said, I find it interesting that his existence is so real to you. Take care, and I look forward to hearing your response, and again, appreciate your previous, and very thoughtful response last week.
God bless,
Sol
P.S. Your experience of the divine or Satan is a personal one and I have only respect for you if you wish to keep that way. I ask to learn, not to exert my ego or what I believe to be true.
Anonymous
August 20, 2008 7:03 AM
Hello,
I just need to say...have some of you read Neale's books????
THEIR IS NO DEVIL...OR EVIL!!
If you insist on beleiving in a devil/demon then maybe you should consider the fact the real demon is your own mind. It is your mind that is trying to 'talk' to you.
Quiet your mind, it's hard but you can do it. Be quiet and then listen to THAT voice!
Tera
Deb Reilly
August 20, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Sol,
You are not bothering me. I've decided to go ahead and write my story, but I'll give you the abridged version.
I turned away from the Catholic faith as a young woman because I couldn't accept the dogma. Hell for missing mass? Limbo for unbaptized babies? God sent His Son to die for our sins?
I learned about reincarnation at 15 and embraced it. It made so much sense! I was interested in Edgar Cayce, Carl Jung's 'synchronicity', and later Waye Dwyer, and John Anderson, to name a few. I toyed with the idea of being regressed in order to reveal my own past lives, which I was convinced I'd lived. I believed God was busy running the Universe, but dropped in from time to time to check on things. When I heard about "The Secret", I dropped everything until I got the movie. Then the book.
I made a list and told "The Universe" what I wanted.
Number ten on the list was Bliss.
And that's just what I received. Did God give me what I wanted because I expected it? No. God opened the door to me being open to receive this gift.
I know Satan exists because of what I've been given. Direct, in my face, first hand experience.
(Did you misunderstand my reference to Tolle? I think he's great.)
Sol, Satan doesn't only have access to people like Hitler or Tolle. Satan has access to all of us. And no, I do NOT blame every ill that befalls the world on that spirit. I don't blame Satan when I mess up. I have free will. If I choose to get swept up in jealousy, or hurt feelings after a seed has been planted, that's on me.
About telling the future. I've been given images of future happenings I had no way of knowing on my own. Some of these things helped me, and some had no outright significance except to further convince me that life on Earth is not all there is. "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio..."
God uses Satan for good. If a psychic tells a person not to get on a plane, I believe that's Satan trying to scare someone silly and ruin their vacation. The fact that the person cancels their trip and is rescued is God using Satan for good. When a psychic helps the police solve a crime, that is not the psychic telling the future. I believe that is the psychic being 'in spirit' and hearing God speak silently. Psychics make mistakes. I believe those mistakes are due to a lack of discernment, and they are listening to Satan.
Before I forget, please don't lump me in with any group. I'm only me. There is plenty of beauty in the bible, but there is plenty of crazy too. (I was kicked out of a bible study by very nice middle-aged 'friends' who couldn't abide me pointing out that craziness-though gently and with caution).
Satan is smarter than your description of 'him'. Satan is savvy, and multi-faceted. Satan has been around for at least a few thousand years--plenty of time to learn the craft of taunting us. It is impossible to box and label Satan as an out-of-control raging, lying, mindless liar. Such a spirit would be obvious, and easier to fight.
Here's an analogy. Kids are warned to stay away from strangers. So they usually do, and they are safe from lunatics. But a conniving, planning, cunning pedophile neighbor, teacher, parent will slowly court his/her victim so that unaware, they are trapped. Once ensnared, the gloves come off, and the child is left wondering how they ever allowed themselves to be brutalized and used. That is the way Satan works.
Why does religion seem to have a monopoly on Satan? Because religion is old. Satan was out of the closet in those days. I think Satan has learned that it's easier to do his thing if we are not aware he exists. I think Satan made a big mistake with me. He was given access by God, and believe me, Satan had a field day. The mask was removed.
What I have gained through this amazing experience of hearing God and hearing Satan has changed my life. I am a new woman. I have a new life. I am learning who God IS and who God is NOT.
God is more magnificent than I'd ever dreamed.
I love you Sol. Have a wonderful day. I hope to hear from you soon.
Deb Reilly
August 20, 2008 8:58 AM
Hi Terra,
I have read all of Neale's books.
Satan exists.
Love,
Deb
Anonymous
August 20, 2008 10:07 AM
Hi Deb,
Satan exists for you because you beleive so strongly in him.
However....Satan does not exist for me...
Tera
Sol
August 20, 2008 7:56 PM
Hey Deb, thanks for the reply. I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree on the existence of Satan. I have to agree with Tera though, "Satan exists for you because you believe so strongly in him." I'd be willing to bet that you believe in Satan as much as you do God, in equal proportion. I would much rather spend my time and energy on the latter because what you focus on and bring your attention to expands and gives power to it. Like Tera says, "Satan does not exist for me" not because I am free from negative thoughts and imperfection, but because I like everyone have an ego, and not an actual, real entity intruding on my spirit. Why would God's love and wisdom allow His children to be possessed, controlled, or manipulated by an entity who wishes to do us harm? We do it to ourselves and each other enough without the help of someone like Satan. We're responsible for our actions, deeds, and words -- not a scapegoat like the devil.
In my own humble belief, Satan is a "tulpa." According to traditional Tibetan doctrines, a tulpa is an entity created by an act of imagination, like the fictional characters of a novelist. Thoughts are energy and have a vibrational frequency, and they are indeed powerful, to the point that if enough time and energy is spent on them, they actually become things in objective reality. Definitions of tulpa on the Web: In mysticism a tulpa is the concept of a being or object which is created through sheer willpower alone. I happen to believe that Lucifer is the greatest tulpa ever created by us, and like you said, he has been around for a long, long time, and plenty of time for the collective human psyche to continually renew and strengthen his imagined presence in our lives. I guess the question is do we attribute that shadowy presence to Satan, or our ego, the pain-body, and emotional pain from the past that comes to the surface more than we probably wish it would. Saying it's Satan is easy, but intellectually dissecting it through personal experience, reading and studying, and further examining and investigating what is really true by going within oneself is hard. I believe that the truth is within each of us -- it's just about recognizing what is true by what resonates with our soul as being true.
What if your "images of future happenings" is just your intuition and sixth sense picking up what's to come? I think we all have intuition, gut feelings, and a psychic ability, but some have it more than others. I have an aunt who picks up a lot of things that eventually happen in her dreams, and it bothered her, but she wasn't scared that it was the work of Satan. I talked to her and told her to ask God to only let her see what she can handle or what is meant for her to see, and she seems to be doing better.
Deb, I sincerely respect your "first hand experience" of Satan, and wish you only the best in what you choose to do with that. Good luck and best wishes in the writing of your story. I'd be the first to buy a copy because I'm fascinated in your experience of both him and God. I enjoy reading your posts because you come from a traditional background, but you are open-minded and seem to favor this spiritual awakening that is taking place in our world. I applaud your courage in your Bible study group. "Friends" in quotations appears to be quite appropriate, because real friends wouldn't kick you out for disagreeing with them in opinions, beliefs, and interpretations of Scripture. I'd say it was a blessing in disguise to get away from those type of people who only see the world in black and white.
God bless,
Sol
Deb Reilly
August 20, 2008 8:54 PM
Sol, drop me a line when the time comes. Yours is on the house.
God bless you,
Deb
Anonymous
August 22, 2008 6:53 PM
Neale-
you are a God wanna be along the same lines as Echart Tolle and others. I fyou can confuse and blur enough, you will succeed in further blinding many. God is love, because HE creates that and places it in us. WIthout God, we are nothing. You know, the day may come when you discover that you have been played and used by Satan and the ones assigned to you to do their work here. Sad day. You wont see it now becuase they are in you, heavy. The words, your thinking, all of it, has been replayed many times see Jesus Seminars. Grand delusion and you have been used. There are only 2 sides, the one you and others represent, that is a godless world where we dont need Jesus or faith in scriptures, or ours. I will go with ours since we have been around longer than yours, and ours promises us eternal life after we die here. thats a safe bet which i will take rather than being "enlightened" here and now. IN the name of JEsus, I pray you will be disocvered and rendered silent in confusion.
susan
August 24, 2008 5:55 PM
see that's something that makes no sense. THis whole thing of Satan using people to destroy the work of God, and people being blind to it. The grand delusion.... That's a fear doctrine created to keep people from straying or scare them in. Nothing like a boogey man to keep the kids in bed at night. I think its really downgrading God to give so much power to something like that. More than likely, if you peeled away the mask you'd see that this Satan is nothing more than your own self filling the need to have an opposite to God. It seems pretty cruel to demand that people find a needle in a haystack without the addition of a pitchfork carrying monster who is much smarter and more powerful than you. How loving is that? It sounds more like a gauntlet based on luck than upon actual choosing.
Anonymous
August 24, 2008 8:09 PM
sorry but it is what it is, and apparently, things have been and are continuuing the way they are based on our choices, not the Lords. Yes there is an evil one, Satan, who is the master liar and deceiver. I and noone knows how much He has been behind the desturction of the world, its violence, the self destructive behaviors that people choose and continue in each day that revolve around money power drugs and sex..BUT it is here and they are doing it. So you either belive that man is all and only evil at the core or that there is a very smart entity that has been around for 1000s of years with plenty of help, with a very large hand in what is happening. God is good. period. Jeus Christ came not to judge, first, but to save. We all get to choose what we want. To belive there is no God and nothing ultimate, means its whatever anyone wants to define as their own truth, morales, laws, etc. And we are arriving very quickly to that point. So you must choose something and stand for it. Neil and many say, throw it all away and make up yourt own world with its own morality. Watch what happens when that kicks off. The devil has been busy wrecking evrything from the inside out and has successfully blinded even those in churches and other groups to act in a manner that is nothing close to what Jesus Christ taught and died for. By doing this He could then point them out and say, see what your "religion" does, how bad it really is, we dont need a God who sponsors that!
Distortion, deceception and lies. Pure. Try really living as Christ has directed and see how very difficult it is, to die to yourself and really love others as you love yourself and then the fight begins.
We believe what we belive because "in practice" it makes more sense than anything out there, once you accept that we sinful, as in less than perfect on any given day. All of us.
digginfortruth.tripod.com
Anonymous
August 24, 2008 8:12 PM
and Susan if you are a parent, dont tell me you dont raise your children with a mixture of fear of punishment for doing bad things and then unconditional love, always taking them back no matter what they have done. This is basic and fundamental. Its just that adults seems to later believe they are beyond this. Do people fear goinig to court and being in jail for the rest of their life if they murder somoone (unless its OJ)...you bet they do.
CARL WYCKA
September 13, 2008 1:27 PM
MR. WALSCH, I CAME UPON YOUR BLOG 'BY ACCIDENT' AND WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE TRUTH EXPRESSED IN SUCH A SIMPLE, UNCOMPLICATED AND LOVING WAY. THANK YOU, AND I LOOK FOWARD TO READING YOUR BOOK. CARL
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Dear Neale:
You addressed a question (and fear) that I too have had since I read the CWG books. The question of whether or not GOD cares what we do or how we feel twards Him. The idea that he doesn't was hard for me to accept even though I had the exact same feelings years before I read your book. I have taught myself that if there is a sin it was people not actively communicating with God. If I was actively with God I was not living in sin, but if not I was in sin. It didn't mattered whether I was doing good or bad I was in sin if I wasn't activaly seeking GOD thru prayer or meditation. All else was sin. The fears and sense of alonness began when I realized through His words in your books that I was right. To know, really know that God doesn't care what we do Is a harsh reality to accept even knowing that it is true.
I believe and accept almost all your (HIS) words in the books and sometimes I feel alone because of them. I have lost my understanding of the need for prayer and now I just talk to Him as a friend. And yes
He does answer sometimes.
I have a friend who heals people and I have to wonder what it is that she does that I don't. Is He more pleased with her than me? I don't think so but I don't have an answer.
Thank You
Bill
God has no opinion about anything?
God is not some murky, 'secret', or Candy Store in the Universe.
You belittle God, Neale. And your tutor laughs.
Bill, God is not more pleased with your friend than with you. God didn't give me Barbara's voice, or Mother Theresa's drive for the greater good, but God loves us equally.
All of us have been given a unique set of gifts and challenges to develop and use in our lives.
God is healing through your friend. God is using you in a different, but no less important way.
If something is making you feel alone, it is not of God. God is always with you.
Dear Neale: you dont know how meeting you have changed my life. And I did not have the pleasure to meet you in person yet. But I have been reading your books since I was 17 and now in my 30s I have to tell you that it all was a sort of beautiful connections (coincidences I used to think) since the moment that your first book came in to my hands.
I read your last book "Happier than God" and you gave precisely the information I needed, complete and clear. The part that was not revealed until now, in full detail within all the wise manuscripts that many brilliant authors wrote, was what humankind is needing right now. I know that at present times there are hundreds of thousands of people all around the world trying to live this reality, trying to reshape reality and embrace life as it is. And knowing that the way to create our experience as we desire works better when we do it out of unconditional love, that is, thinking about the benefit of others first than ours, and that in doing so we benefit as well because we are the same is what gave me the last impulse to create in my life the experience I was trying to for so long time. I had my own personal miracle few weeks ago, and I still feel like I am dreaming. Now there is just one thing I still am trying to understand about this mechanism. And it is that you said we rather choose whatever can bring peace, love and joy to those whose life we touch. And I just feel that in the end, we will always have to ask God to take some decisions for us. I mean, we are not fully aware of all the consequences of our present decisions in the long run (I mean future wise). And we can not know ultimately if the decisions and elections we make are going to be for the benefit of others in the long run neither. I am still trying to solve this mistery.
Thank you Neale, God bless you for being in this world.
Deb;
I was kinda hoping that God was the candy store of the universe. That sounds like a "highest thought" to me.
Why is that belittling God and who is the tutor???
Respectfully,
T
Thanks Neale, I'm so glad God tells you like it IS....
I'm sorry people, but if you need a religion keep making one and keep fighting over which one is right.
You will experience all you need to experience in the process of awareness to know Who you really are.
"Not caring what we do is not the same as not loving us."
Neale, I appreciate your sharing your insights with all of us. But I had to smile when I read your description of a parent sending children out to play. As a mother, and now a grandmother of two small boys, 3 and 5, I know that mothers (and teachers of small children) definitely DO care how children play with one another. Teaching small children how to share and play together is a major job and concern of mothers and teachers. It is this caring about what their children do that is one of the ways that they show their love for their children.
Claire
Deb,
Of course, God couldn't have an opinion about anything. The logic is clearly explained by Neale. How could All That Is have an 'opinion' about some part of ItSelf?
Do you have an opinion about your head or toe or liver or intestine? You can observe their function, and you can tell that to yourself. But you can only be yourself talking to yourself about yourself, right? That's utmost what God's opinions can be about. There's nothing to be compared with anything else, and all that's left is simple observation.
It is easy to accept the logic that God, being All That IS, has no preferences. This can be taken to mean that to say that striving for good has no value at all in God's eyes, and all people who do things with Love are equal to those who do things with Hate and Fear. That's a shock. That doesn't seem fair does it?
The logic of the above question is simple, the answer is simpler. We do things that define ourselves in whatever way we choose. Period. So if I wanna be a thief, I thieve. If I wanna be a murderer, I murder. If I wanna be a saint, I commit saintly acts. But these are good roles or bad roles to play. These are just roles in the Big Game. That's how Neale sees things, I guess.
This answer is satisfactory to me, still unsatisfactory. I can't explain it. Of what value is the 'good' things we do? Just self definition? Then 'bad' stuff that we do also serve self definition. Why should one self definition , that of Love, Unity, Peace, be favorable to the humanity than Hatred, Fear ?
Why does every religion stress on service to humanity? Why does every mythology speak of Self sacrifice for a greater 'good' (God, maybe)? Why does every story of religion speak of 'values' , ethical, moral? I agree these are 'made' up, but these are also 'inspirations' from Divinity. Why should we seek to understand the true nature of the Divine? Why should we Love? Why should we move on to a world of greater understanding, peace, and harmony?
What the heavens are we looking for as human beings?
Love and Light.
I hear the voice of God.
I hear the voice of Satan.
Literally.
This morning, Satan asked me, "Debbie, if you know God loves you no matter what you do, why do you waste your time being such a goody-goody?"
The answer is simple.
God cares about everything. That does not mean God judges us. We judge ourselves. I have an imperfect understanding of how much God loves me, but I know it's beyond description. I am trying to improve the best I am capable of not just for me. I want to show my appreciation for all I have been given by God. I thank God.
What I meant by saying God is not a candy store is that God does not give us everything we want. (As no loving parent gives their children everything they want.) God gives us everything we need, and lots of things we want. Personally, I know I've been given many things I never would have thought to ask for.
I have no religion. What church would have me? Life is not some frivolous game to casually drift through, thinking, "Oh well. Next time I'll try harder." This is it. And all the things we are learning will enrich our eternity together.
Hi Neale,
Can God really do more than one thing at a time or is God like a computer or a human which/who can only do one thing at a time, but time shares so fast that it seems like simultanious multitasking?
I would never use words that others might not know, like "satsang". After all I'm not writing to me.
Icarus
Prasad,
You ask, “Why should one self definition , that of Love, Unity, Peace, be favorable to the humanity than Hatred, Fear ?”
What I get, at this point, is that what is left, after you let go of right vs. wrong or better vs. worse, is what works and doesn’t work.
Let’s start at God=Life Life=God. These inadequate human words mean the same energy. We are Life experiencing Life, here in the physical and beyond physical, all at the same time. What works and what doesn’t work then becomes what continues, expands and enhances Life and what doesn’t. Love works to continue, expand and enhance Life. Hatred doesn’t (although living a life of hatred does offer a life experience of what love is not, thereby providing the contrast and understanding of both). “Understanding, peace and harmony…” works to continue, expand and enhance Life=God/God=Life. Lack of understanding, warring and disharmony do not. However, they do, again, offer the experience of not working that allows us to “get” the difference and choose to move into the understandings, peace, harmonies, Self sacrifice for the “greater good”, values, ethics, and morals that we “make up” that do work.
At any rate, that is my understandings at this point. And at this point they work for me, until I see and “get” something more.
Thanks for the reply, Deb. I understand better now.
It reminds me of when, in CwG, God said, "You can't have anything you want". Neal was like, "what?".
"You can't have anything you wan't"
I understand it now. The act of "wanting" produces want. If I "want" candy, I will have "want" for candy.
The trick is to "attract" candy. At least for me.
T
Hey Deb Reilly,
you wrote:
I hear the voice of God.
I hear the voice of Satan.
Literally.
Which voice you hear the most of? Something is wrong when you are having Conversations with Satan like yall friends. How do you discern the voice of God and Satan? Because if you know its Satan why put up with his words if you alreadly know he is a liar? Something is really wrong if Satan be speaking to you so freely.
And you are sure of this because?
Every clairvoyant who is hearing a 'sage spirit' is hearing Satan. How do I know? Because any spirit other than Satan glorifies God. Every spirit but Satan is enthralled with God. Every spirit but Satan is grateful to God.
Satan has been speaking to people for thousands of years under the guise of some other personality. Why am I hearing Satan as Satan? I do not know. But I am no longer afraid of a spirit who has terrified me in the past. Satan is THE liar of the Earth. Discernment has been a process, because Satan poses as God, but there are subtle and not so subtle differences.
God is never glib. God never pokes fun at anyone. God is always loving and kind. God never compares. God never tells the future. God never makes judgments.
Those are just a few things for you to think about.
God is completely AWESOME!
Love,
Deb Reilly :-)
I guess I have questions about God being here for OUR use and not the other way around. Although we have free will, does that mean that our will is more important than God's? I don't believe that. Perhaps this is another way of saying that our free will enables us to live a life separate from God -- which so many people choose to do -- but the idea that God would be used for some sort of evil - like a war or murder -- doesn't seem right to me.
Perhaps this is something you could elaborate on, as I feel like I'm not really understanding your point.
Lisa
Dear Neale,
You asked the following questions in the blog section of your Newsletter #305 (Aug 16). I am responding to those questions.
Jesus died on the cross because he loved us, you say. Fair enough, and okay. But why was his death necessary in the first place? What was he saving us from? And why was our being "saved" even necessary? Those are the questions. Any thoughts on this?
Jesus was an avatar. He came to earth of his own free will. His purpose in incarnating was to demonstrate by example how to love God, how to love one's neighbor, and how to love all manifestations of God. Another reason Jesus came to earth was to teach, by example, that each person is first and foremost a spiritual being and that "dying" in the normal sense means only that the physical body no longer exists in physicality. What Jesus demonstrated is that each person can be their own saviour by following his example. Jesus the Christ is one of many Christed avatars. Of all the Christed avatars, Jesus is the one who is the most Self-realized in God. Jesus did not come to earth to start a church or any particular religion. The religion named after Jesus was developed by others who attempted to understand the teachings of Jesus as best they could. There is a wonderful book titled "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" by Claire Heartsong. In this book there is a great deal of information on the life of Jesus. I highly recommend that anyone wanting to know the true stories about Jesus read this book.
William Daspit
Brier, WA
Dear Neale, In soooooo many sentences you said that God is Nature.
I am posting to give my two cents on why it was necessary for Jesus to die on the cross.
I believe the concept that Jesus died for our sins to be completely ego based, but then again it is always all about us. If we could push past the idea that he died for our sins we may open new discussion on why it was necessary for him to die.
IMHO it was not about the dying at all, but about eternal life. Crucifixtion was the "pushishment du jour" back in those times. This was not a one time event just presented for Jesus. He crossed alot of powerful people with his teachings and they didnt like it.
The real kicker for me was that Jesus rose from the dead. It was proof positive of everlasting life. The perfect testiment to the truth of everything he taught. How would we even have the idea of everlasting and eternal life if he hadnt died and then risen?
But then again it presented the opportunity for control and a healthy dose of guilt to enter the religious picture. "He died for your sins" is a wonderful way to insure that we submit and capitulate to the man made laws of religion. To keep us so ashamed that we cut ourselves off from our own divinity and urged us to trade our orignial power for forgiveness.
Everywhere you look there are the reminders of the horror of Jesus being put to death. The cross hangs in every church and around the necks of those that are Christian. Who wouldnt live in guilt and remorse if everytime you went to commune or visit God, you were reminded his only begotten son died so horribly.
Personally I believe in Jesus and his teachings and the Christ grid, but I dont wear a cross. I wear a small stone that reminds of the best example he could have ever left us with, we do live, there is everlasting life. So roll the stone away!
After reading Neale's and everyone's posts and considering, it made me think that the if we apply the idea of
"Love God with all your heart"
to what Neale says, then it could mean to Love LIFE and the endless posssibility for expression.
And likewise, the idea of
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
would be a very helpful idea to take along on the playground because obviously, its a lot more fun to play when nobody is punching you in the nose.
And if everyone is
a) living their life's highest expression and
b) allowing others to do the same, and
c) not harming others to get what you want (Because you already have everything you want there's no need to take away from another's experience),
then wow... that sounds like heaven to me.
Dear SheerLuckHolmes,
>>What I get, at this point, is that what is left, after you let go of right vs. wrong or better vs. worse, is what works and doesn’t work.
I agree that Love works, and Hate does not. But to produce what? You answered this too -
>>“Understanding, peace and harmony…” works to continue, expand and enhance Life=God/God=Life. Lack of understanding, warring and disharmony do not.
Fear does not enhance Life,God? Are you assuming that God is 'good', again? Doesn't Fear produce anger, rage, in much quantities? Can God be 'limited' by our Fears? Is that how it works?
I thought Fear and Love merely show different aspects of Divinity, aspects that look totally contradictory to one another. Are these somehow less of God than Love? If so, why? God is All That Is, right? How is one form better or good than another? Why should we even care about choosing Love than Fear and Hate, if God is All Loving and doesn't care about what we do here on earth?
Honestly speaking, I see the point as I have gotten to the root of this argument by following a similar line of thought in my mind. But I think for most, this is a radical God who does not bother about us doing good or bad, who says good-bad doesn't exist. Such a God seems dangerous to many people, and perhaps these kinds of questions come in their mind too. I think most find it intriguing as to why one must be a good person on earth if God doesn't care.
Love and Light.
Prasad,
You keep asking about what is better than - less than. Read Neale's books again, read his post at the top of this thread.
God is everything and all energy, not an individual being (unless It wants to be from time to time). All that exists that we can be aware of is God expressing as life, from each person on the planet down to the smallest particle within an atom to everything that is not even physical. All is God=Life=energy=intelligence= omnipresence in all things moving, shifting and expressing, to experience Itself, to know Itself.
I am not assuming that God is good or bad, but God will allow us to express the energy that is God into the experience of good or bad, for those experiences produce understandings which produce evolution. A child touches a hot stove. That experience is bad because the child is hurt. That experience is good because the child learns that hot things can burn and the child will be more careful, therefore the child evolves. But the experience is good and bad at the same time. But it is neither good nor bad because learning has taken place. So it becomes what works and what does not work. God wants to grow and expand and experience Itself through an evolving Creation.
Must a person be a good person on earth if God doesn’t care. No, there is no “must”. There is only experience and the evolution that is the result of experience. Each person will evolve according to their unique gifts, skill, and talents into greater and more refined expressions of themselves as they learn what works and what doesn’t.
But does God care? I think God cares quite a bit, or else why go to all the trouble to create a Universe or more? I think God cares enough to be each and every particle of everything that exists. I think God cares and values experience, learning and evolving so much that God is willing to be everything all at once. Good, bad, high, low, black, white, cold, hot, solid, gas, man, woman- all this and everything else to support the process of Life.
Now, brother, that’s caring.
Thanks Neale!
And great inputs everyone. This discussion is really going forward..
About parenting..
My observation and experience tells me that parents rarely welcome any changes in their way of raising their children. I know that we reflect and consider, often question ourselves, but it just never seems to be a subject of change.
Anyone ever hear the phrases?: When i was young... My parents... I was raised...
I have observed and i can't say that i (in my experience) remember a parent ever saying: I chose this... I believe that... What i learned...
It's easy to think and believe that everything we do for our children we do with Love. News is we don't. In reality a lot of times we often do things out of fear. Many parents often tell their kids: It's only the weak that draws attention to problems or problems to attention - It's only the weak that involves in fighting or "trouble".
Who wish trouble for their kids? I assume no parent does. The truth is that we cannot keep them from "trouble" - And what happens when the child ends up in "trouble" and refers to what his parents told him - That it is only the weak... - How is that child going to feel then?
And one can only imagine how many situations this example applies too.
I hope you understand my point here and what i'm saying. My english is somewhat limited. And sorry if this is off topic in any way.
Hugs,
Twenty Six
Sheerluckholmes,
You put it so well. Thank you!
I believe as parents our "job" is to support and lead our kids through this learning process. Our "job" is not to teach them what works and whats not. Which is what i was trying to point out in my earlier post.
/Twenty Six
Dear SheerLuckHolmes
>>>You keep asking about what is better than - less than.
Not exactly. I am asking, what should be the drive for humans to strive to create a world of peace, Love and equality? Why do it at all? I perfectly understand that there are no 'should's or 'shouldn't's in creation. It's all personal reality creation, and experience.
But then, why bother? This way (Love) or that way (Fear/Hate), we experience something new, expansive. Is there a purpose to humanity as a whole to move to a higher (more spiritual) experience? Is that why all religions stress on doing 'good', service to humanity and nature?
Why is it that enlightened beings become automatically 'good'? Why is it that enlightened beings become symbols of Love, and not Fear? Enlightenment by itself means "transcendence", beyond the world of Duality, all opposites. How is this place not a mixture of Love and Fear, or devoid of both? ( Love is supposedly this transcendence itself, and all emotions are a form of Love, including fear. But apparently Fear/Hate seems everything opposite to Love/Compassion. Its indeed a strange dichotomy )
>>>A child touches a hot stove. That experience is bad because the child is hurt. That experience is good because the child learns that hot things can burn and the child will be more careful, therefore the child evolves. But the experience is good and bad at the same time. But it is neither good nor bad because learning has taken place. So it becomes what works and what does not work.
There seems the flaw in the logic here. Touching the fire, the child learns something. Yes. But how does that become 'not functional/working' by itself? It is not functional only if the child doesn't want to get hurt, right? Now imagine the child is a part of God. So if God wants to have the experience of not-getting-hurt, then its perfectly fine to use the learning from having touched the fire once, to not touch it again. But if God wants to experience getting hurt, then its OK to touch the fire again.
What works and what doesn't work can be said only given a destination to reach, right? My question is, why go for that destination at all??? I assume the answer to this is your statement-
>>God wants to grow and expand and experience Itself through an evolving Creation.
But hey, God is All That Is, right? So why does He/She 'want' the experience at all? And why does He/She want to 'grow', 'expand'??? Aren't these terms meaningless from the point of view of All That Is? So why learn from the experience? Why re-member? Why seek enlightenment? Why Love? Why Create? If Creation is to satisfy the 'desire' of God to Experience Himself, that doesn't that suggest an incompleteness of God ItSelf?
Love and Light.
Amazingly Neales next blog answers your questions perfectly, so I'll just bow out and referr you to Neale's post, "Why 'bad' things happen" dated Monday August 18.
Deb-
Are you a physic? or have you practiced any type of witchcraft? or been around it?
Yes I agree Satan has been speaking to people for thousands of years but I don't agree he has been speaking to God's people like he is speaking to you. You either full of God or you not. Good and evil spirits can not dwell in the same body temple. The bible teaches that. God and the devil does not dwell together. You say you don't know why you are hearing satan as satan that is a serious thing that you should check out. Since he doesn't terrify you anymore he has become normal to you. He is a master of deception. I seen satan at work in people, I seen demonic possessed people, I seen God power at work, I have seen evil at work and God at work.
The reason I ask if you can discern the spirits because I know he has poses himself as God to people. Don't forget the devil was once with God in heaven. Thats why its good to know who God really is and not let books that doesn't line of with the bible take you off course. Jesus said "my sheep know my voice." Remember the devil wants to be God, he has physic and God has prophets.
And God does nothing unless he reveals it to his prophets, so he does tell the future but he doesn't tell when the world is coming to an end.
God told a modern day prophet about the economy, the midwest floods, Hurricane Katrina, and many more. This prophet I do know and he wrote a book in the 80s that mention all these things and also mentioned there will be a black president in the U.S. He's no physic but a prophet of God.
The other day I was in the supermarket line, waiting for my turn, and the son-in-law of woman who used to work for me got in the line next to mine. At first I felt a little bit uncomfortable, because lately, him and his wife avoid talking to me, I don’t know for what reason, but then I just wished them all the best and minded my business. But I still felt uncomfortable, so knowing how feelings are important I thought how would I feel if the best happened to him. “I would feel very happy.” Believe it or not at that very moment the man who was in front of him, who had a full cart let him move ahead in the line. I was in awe. I had seen it before but never as explicitly and immediately. And as for me, I was so happy the rest of the weekend. It was wonderful. God does respond to our thoughts and feelings.
Love, love, love
Maria
Hi Neale,
First of all I want to thank you for all you have tought me about God. At last a teaching that made sense.
I was raised catholic, as a child I was forced to go to church every Sunday, I never cared for any of it, starting with the smell of incense.
Now I'm an adult and don't care for any organized religion and I'm happy with that. I started reading your books shortly after my father passed away in November 1993. I needed answers, and reading your books gave me a sense of knowing, understanding the whole cycle of life; all of a sudden life made sense, and I thank you for that.
However, in your books, I don't recall reading about dark entities, white entities, ghost encounters. Can you explain some of this?. Today I was reading a book about some of this stuff and it left a strange feeling in me.
I feel that when we leave our physical bodies we move into a higher dimension full of love and total knowledge; what I read didn't indicate any of this.
Your insight will be very much appreciated.
Thank You,
Rick.
Gift of Wisdom,
Thanks for your concern. Believe me, when this first started, I was scared out of my wits! I am with God. I turn Satan off.
I have learned that Satan has more access to us than I ever believed.
As a child, I was taught that Satan was almost as powerful as God, and he had many fallen angels under his power. Neither is true. Satan is like a flea to God's Universal Love.
I know Christians do not believe that Satan can inhabit the same space as God, but I know different. Satan is always on the prowl. Satan will exploit any flaw within us to dig his way in and spread his poison. Satan is whispering his hateful thoughts to everyone. It is up to us not to listen. It is up to us to turn to God always! We are not perfect, but we can ask God to be with God in spirit always.
(No, I was never into anything like witchcraft, nor have I been around it.)
I could be wrong, but I do not believe God ever tells the future. That's Satan's thing. Please think about it. God gave us the wonderful gift of free will. If God told us what the future would bring, that would effect our free will. Satan has tried to tell me the future many times. He is a liar, but even liars hit the mark some times.
Love and Peace in Christ,
Deb
Deb,
Sorry to bother you again, and I do appreciate your previous response to me, but the unwavering certainty you exhibit in the existence of Satan is interesting to me. Why is it that past life regressive therapy, liked we talked about earlier, and paranormal phenomenon like being psychic, are always the work of the red suited hooligan? (Pardon my playfulness if you will).
Why do I ask this? Because I would be willing to bet that most people are willing to look at alternative explanations as to why things are the way they are in our world without claiming (so righteously as you presumably do) that it is indeed Satan who is responsible, and I'm curious to learn from someone like you why or how this is true for you?
God never tells the future? What if a psychic tells someone not to get on a certain plane, and the person heeds the advice or warning and it ends up saving that person's life because the plane crashed? What about the psychics that work with law enforcement and help solve crimes? Are they under Satan's spell as well? Is this a gift to help people, or is Satan just working his magic?
Another reason I am so curious about people who believe in Satan as a real entity is because they seem to want it both ways, making it so it is always a win-win situation for them. For example, when I hear you speak of Satan it is of something that is indeed out to cause us harm or make our life or the lives of others miserable and difficult. Yet, when I took part in Eckhart Tolle's online class, all the Christians (at least the fundamentalists) were saying he was an "angel of light" who was working on Satan's behalf to steer people away from Scripture. Yet someone like Tolle has brought about a lot of good in this world and changed peoples' lives for the better no matter how much people try to dismiss him. So I guess I am getting two different messages here. One that says Satan is evil and wants to bring about evil in this world through us, (Hitler comes to mind) and another that says Satan is a liar and a deceiver who works through people like Tolle to lead people away from the Bible, even though he quotes Jesus rather extensively, and even though that person may exude peace, love, and tolerance for others while teaching and helping people to create a better life for themselves. Which one is it, or is it both? Seems a bit selfish and greedy to own both definitions of Satan, and it appears to me that religion has a monopoly on him. Having it both ways is usually an indication of falsity, distortion of the truth, or lack of the truth.
Is Satan's actual, real presence evident in someone like Hitler or Tolle? If it's both, then I think that a person that asserts this, (not saying you Deb) loses all credibility. So you can see how someone like me finds this to be very problematic.
Well, just some questions I have because like I said, I find it interesting that his existence is so real to you. Take care, and I look forward to hearing your response, and again, appreciate your previous, and very thoughtful response last week.
God bless,
Sol
P.S. Your experience of the divine or Satan is a personal one and I have only respect for you if you wish to keep that way. I ask to learn, not to exert my ego or what I believe to be true.
Hello,
I just need to say...have some of you read Neale's books????
THEIR IS NO DEVIL...OR EVIL!!
If you insist on beleiving in a devil/demon then maybe you should consider the fact the real demon is your own mind. It is your mind that is trying to 'talk' to you.
Quiet your mind, it's hard but you can do it. Be quiet and then listen to THAT voice!
Tera
Hi Sol,
You are not bothering me. I've decided to go ahead and write my story, but I'll give you the abridged version.
I turned away from the Catholic faith as a young woman because I couldn't accept the dogma. Hell for missing mass? Limbo for unbaptized babies? God sent His Son to die for our sins?
I learned about reincarnation at 15 and embraced it. It made so much sense! I was interested in Edgar Cayce, Carl Jung's 'synchronicity', and later Waye Dwyer, and John Anderson, to name a few. I toyed with the idea of being regressed in order to reveal my own past lives, which I was convinced I'd lived. I believed God was busy running the Universe, but dropped in from time to time to check on things. When I heard about "The Secret", I dropped everything until I got the movie. Then the book.
I made a list and told "The Universe" what I wanted.
Number ten on the list was Bliss.
And that's just what I received. Did God give me what I wanted because I expected it? No. God opened the door to me being open to receive this gift.
I know Satan exists because of what I've been given. Direct, in my face, first hand experience.
(Did you misunderstand my reference to Tolle? I think he's great.)
Sol, Satan doesn't only have access to people like Hitler or Tolle. Satan has access to all of us. And no, I do NOT blame every ill that befalls the world on that spirit. I don't blame Satan when I mess up. I have free will. If I choose to get swept up in jealousy, or hurt feelings after a seed has been planted, that's on me.
About telling the future. I've been given images of future happenings I had no way of knowing on my own. Some of these things helped me, and some had no outright significance except to further convince me that life on Earth is not all there is. "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio..."
God uses Satan for good. If a psychic tells a person not to get on a plane, I believe that's Satan trying to scare someone silly and ruin their vacation. The fact that the person cancels their trip and is rescued is God using Satan for good. When a psychic helps the police solve a crime, that is not the psychic telling the future. I believe that is the psychic being 'in spirit' and hearing God speak silently. Psychics make mistakes. I believe those mistakes are due to a lack of discernment, and they are listening to Satan.
Before I forget, please don't lump me in with any group. I'm only me. There is plenty of beauty in the bible, but there is plenty of crazy too. (I was kicked out of a bible study by very nice middle-aged 'friends' who couldn't abide me pointing out that craziness-though gently and with caution).
Satan is smarter than your description of 'him'. Satan is savvy, and multi-faceted. Satan has been around for at least a few thousand years--plenty of time to learn the craft of taunting us. It is impossible to box and label Satan as an out-of-control raging, lying, mindless liar. Such a spirit would be obvious, and easier to fight.
Here's an analogy. Kids are warned to stay away from strangers. So they usually do, and they are safe from lunatics. But a conniving, planning, cunning pedophile neighbor, teacher, parent will slowly court his/her victim so that unaware, they are trapped. Once ensnared, the gloves come off, and the child is left wondering how they ever allowed themselves to be brutalized and used. That is the way Satan works.
Why does religion seem to have a monopoly on Satan? Because religion is old. Satan was out of the closet in those days. I think Satan has learned that it's easier to do his thing if we are not aware he exists. I think Satan made a big mistake with me. He was given access by God, and believe me, Satan had a field day. The mask was removed.
What I have gained through this amazing experience of hearing God and hearing Satan has changed my life. I am a new woman. I have a new life. I am learning who God IS and who God is NOT.
God is more magnificent than I'd ever dreamed.
I love you Sol. Have a wonderful day. I hope to hear from you soon.
Hi Terra,
I have read all of Neale's books.
Satan exists.
Love,
Deb
Hi Deb,
Satan exists for you because you beleive so strongly in him.
However....Satan does not exist for me...
Tera
Hey Deb, thanks for the reply. I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree on the existence of Satan. I have to agree with Tera though, "Satan exists for you because you believe so strongly in him." I'd be willing to bet that you believe in Satan as much as you do God, in equal proportion. I would much rather spend my time and energy on the latter because what you focus on and bring your attention to expands and gives power to it. Like Tera says, "Satan does not exist for me" not because I am free from negative thoughts and imperfection, but because I like everyone have an ego, and not an actual, real entity intruding on my spirit. Why would God's love and wisdom allow His children to be possessed, controlled, or manipulated by an entity who wishes to do us harm? We do it to ourselves and each other enough without the help of someone like Satan. We're responsible for our actions, deeds, and words -- not a scapegoat like the devil.
In my own humble belief, Satan is a "tulpa." According to traditional Tibetan doctrines, a tulpa is an entity created by an act of imagination, like the fictional characters of a novelist. Thoughts are energy and have a vibrational frequency, and they are indeed powerful, to the point that if enough time and energy is spent on them, they actually become things in objective reality. Definitions of tulpa on the Web: In mysticism a tulpa is the concept of a being or object which is created through sheer willpower alone. I happen to believe that Lucifer is the greatest tulpa ever created by us, and like you said, he has been around for a long, long time, and plenty of time for the collective human psyche to continually renew and strengthen his imagined presence in our lives. I guess the question is do we attribute that shadowy presence to Satan, or our ego, the pain-body, and emotional pain from the past that comes to the surface more than we probably wish it would. Saying it's Satan is easy, but intellectually dissecting it through personal experience, reading and studying, and further examining and investigating what is really true by going within oneself is hard. I believe that the truth is within each of us -- it's just about recognizing what is true by what resonates with our soul as being true.
What if your "images of future happenings" is just your intuition and sixth sense picking up what's to come? I think we all have intuition, gut feelings, and a psychic ability, but some have it more than others. I have an aunt who picks up a lot of things that eventually happen in her dreams, and it bothered her, but she wasn't scared that it was the work of Satan. I talked to her and told her to ask God to only let her see what she can handle or what is meant for her to see, and she seems to be doing better.
Deb, I sincerely respect your "first hand experience" of Satan, and wish you only the best in what you choose to do with that. Good luck and best wishes in the writing of your story. I'd be the first to buy a copy because I'm fascinated in your experience of both him and God. I enjoy reading your posts because you come from a traditional background, but you are open-minded and seem to favor this spiritual awakening that is taking place in our world. I applaud your courage in your Bible study group. "Friends" in quotations appears to be quite appropriate, because real friends wouldn't kick you out for disagreeing with them in opinions, beliefs, and interpretations of Scripture. I'd say it was a blessing in disguise to get away from those type of people who only see the world in black and white.
God bless,
Sol
Sol, drop me a line when the time comes. Yours is on the house.
God bless you,
Deb
Neale-
you are a God wanna be along the same lines as Echart Tolle and others. I fyou can confuse and blur enough, you will succeed in further blinding many. God is love, because HE creates that and places it in us. WIthout God, we are nothing. You know, the day may come when you discover that you have been played and used by Satan and the ones assigned to you to do their work here. Sad day. You wont see it now becuase they are in you, heavy. The words, your thinking, all of it, has been replayed many times see Jesus Seminars. Grand delusion and you have been used. There are only 2 sides, the one you and others represent, that is a godless world where we dont need Jesus or faith in scriptures, or ours. I will go with ours since we have been around longer than yours, and ours promises us eternal life after we die here. thats a safe bet which i will take rather than being "enlightened" here and now. IN the name of JEsus, I pray you will be disocvered and rendered silent in confusion.
see that's something that makes no sense. THis whole thing of Satan using people to destroy the work of God, and people being blind to it. The grand delusion.... That's a fear doctrine created to keep people from straying or scare them in. Nothing like a boogey man to keep the kids in bed at night. I think its really downgrading God to give so much power to something like that. More than likely, if you peeled away the mask you'd see that this Satan is nothing more than your own self filling the need to have an opposite to God. It seems pretty cruel to demand that people find a needle in a haystack without the addition of a pitchfork carrying monster who is much smarter and more powerful than you. How loving is that? It sounds more like a gauntlet based on luck than upon actual choosing.
sorry but it is what it is, and apparently, things have been and are continuuing the way they are based on our choices, not the Lords. Yes there is an evil one, Satan, who is the master liar and deceiver. I and noone knows how much He has been behind the desturction of the world, its violence, the self destructive behaviors that people choose and continue in each day that revolve around money power drugs and sex..BUT it is here and they are doing it. So you either belive that man is all and only evil at the core or that there is a very smart entity that has been around for 1000s of years with plenty of help, with a very large hand in what is happening. God is good. period. Jeus Christ came not to judge, first, but to save. We all get to choose what we want. To belive there is no God and nothing ultimate, means its whatever anyone wants to define as their own truth, morales, laws, etc. And we are arriving very quickly to that point. So you must choose something and stand for it. Neil and many say, throw it all away and make up yourt own world with its own morality. Watch what happens when that kicks off. The devil has been busy wrecking evrything from the inside out and has successfully blinded even those in churches and other groups to act in a manner that is nothing close to what Jesus Christ taught and died for. By doing this He could then point them out and say, see what your "religion" does, how bad it really is, we dont need a God who sponsors that!
Distortion, deceception and lies. Pure. Try really living as Christ has directed and see how very difficult it is, to die to yourself and really love others as you love yourself and then the fight begins.
We believe what we belive because "in practice" it makes more sense than anything out there, once you accept that we sinful, as in less than perfect on any given day. All of us.
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and Susan if you are a parent, dont tell me you dont raise your children with a mixture of fear of punishment for doing bad things and then unconditional love, always taking them back no matter what they have done. This is basic and fundamental. Its just that adults seems to later believe they are beyond this. Do people fear goinig to court and being in jail for the rest of their life if they murder somoone (unless its OJ)...you bet they do.
MR. WALSCH, I CAME UPON YOUR BLOG 'BY ACCIDENT' AND WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE TRUTH EXPRESSED IN SUCH A SIMPLE, UNCOMPLICATED AND LOVING WAY. THANK YOU, AND I LOOK FOWARD TO READING YOUR BOOK. CARL
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