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RJN on immigration

Friday June 30, 2006

Sensible commentary from Father Neuhaus on the immigration debate. Excerpt:In First Things, I have been critically appreciative of the urgings of Samuel Huntington ("Who Are We?") and others who contend that at stake is whether the United States will remain...
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Barry
June 30, 2006 10:14 PM

It's telling that almost none of his view is informed by Christ, the Scriptures or faith. He seems to toss up his hands at understanding and not even bother looking at the Scriptures.>

Jason
July 1, 2006 12:53 AM

It's telling that you evidently didn't bother to read the article. I agree with Father Nehaus on this one; I'm not sure what Christ would have us to do in this situation.>

Gary Seaton
July 1, 2006 1:01 AM

Barry:

Click on the link provided by Rod and read Fr. Neuhaus' complete commentary. RJN begins his reflection by commenting on the very issue of "WWJD", albeit with a conclusion you'd likely find unsatisfactory.

Rod:

I read RJN this morning, and was disappointed by the "hedging" language of his conclusion. From my perspective RJN didn't insist strongly enough that REAL border security be demonstrated. Not "a reasonable approximation of legal control." What the hell does that mean?? It's almost Clintonian in its implications. Not one of RJN's finer utterances.
I really, really respect RJN, but in this matter he seems to be trying to have it both ways, and appears to me to be uneasy about his straddling.
The intellectual apprehension (frankly, informed by Faith or not) of the necessity (for both short AND long term reasons) to effectively secure our borders before tackling the ancillary issues isn't that difficult. We just resist exercising the national will to do what's necessary. The story of our times, and of our souls.>

Barry
July 1, 2006 3:25 AM

Ummm. I did read the whole story. Except some blather about lawlessness, he appears to be reading the National Review instead of the Scriptures. Which given Neuhaus' allegiances, that's not surprising.>

M.Z. Forrest
July 1, 2006 6:23 AM
http://discalcedyooper.blogspot.com

The counter-majesterium at work. Let me get this straight: the New Oxford Review is routinely trashed because they obey the bishop's teachings, but First Things, This Rock, and the rest of them are held up as catholic chronicles because they discuss religion with their politics.

I have had enough with this Enlightenment claptrap. The State is not merely to promote secular ends. I just loved that line about not considering Jesus as a Senator or President, acting as if the role were not proper to God. I have no problem with people going to Our Lady of the Republican Party, but do not pretend that such a thing is catholic. It would be entirely different if even a single bishop were saying the garbage coming out of these rags, but there is not a single one. Even the Cafeteria Catholics at the Acton Institute aren't pulling this garbage. It never ceases to amaze me the number of converts - Neuhaus is one - who bring their Enlightenment baggage with them.>

Paul Pennyfeather
July 1, 2006 7:38 AM
www.corrigendablogspot.com

The inability of certain Catholics to think about any issue continues to amaze and disturb. Immigration is just another serious issue in which Catholics (and other Christians) avoid serious discussion, opting instead for tired plattitudes about Xenophobia, racism, and the ridiculous assertion that Jesus would favor open borders, render unto Caesar notwithstanding.

Asserting that RJN is "reading National Review instead of the scriptures" is no more intelligent than saying that social-justice Catholics are secretly reading Karl Marx instead of the bible. It's a cheap and cowardly way to avoid real debate, but so typical.

Pro-amnesty Christians understand the immigration issue the way that Pat Robertson understands Darwinian evolution. It's completely emotional.>

Gary Seaton
July 1, 2006 6:16 PM

Paul P:

VERY well said.>

Gary Seaton
July 1, 2006 6:25 PM

M.Z.:

Unless you were trying to make a point about monarchy, it's "magisterium".

And.......the last time I looked, First Things was pretty open about culture and politics being a large part of what its about.

Loved your line about "Our Lady of the Republican Party", even if it's ~2 years out of date (in *some* measure due to, or reflected by, Rod's efforts). There is a large, and I believe growing, number of faithful Catholics who are looking for an alternative political home. Where might that be, in your judgement?>

SquirleyWurley
July 2, 2006 1:00 AM
http://gnosticpath.blogspot.com/

It seems that what Neuhaus is looking at serious concerns, though, in that quote, and this can't be sidestepped by saying it isn't addressing other serious concerns enough.

What is mentioned in that quote, is something that can be integrated with other concerns.

Enforcement only isn't the solution, is what he said, some consistency and sense in the law was what he thought would set a foundation for some kind of future resolution. Very sensible, on that level.

On a personal moral level, there are many other concerns.

And even on a political and economic level, there are other concerns, too.

I didn't think Neuhaus was being simplistic or wrong-headed in this quote.>

Green Card
September 17, 2009 12:20 PM
http://www.usadiversitylottery.com

From a humanitarian perspective, our fellow human beings, who migrate to support their families, continue to suffer at the hands of immigration policies that separate them from family members and drive them into remote parts of the American desert, sometimes to their deaths. This suffering should not continue.

Now is the time to address this pressing humanitarian issue which affects so many lives and undermines basic human dignity. Our society should no longer tolerate a status quo that perpetuates a permanent underclass of persons and benefits from their labor without offering them legal protections.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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