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TAC: Heather Mac Donald

Thursday July 27, 2006

The Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald believes that the conservative movement is alienating people like here: atheist or agnostic conservatives who are conservative not in spite of their skepticism, but because of it. She says that the conservative movement "is...
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Dad29
July 27, 2006 10:07 PM
http://dad29.blogspot.com/

MacDonald seems to understand Natural Law principles very well.

Can she explain where they came from?>

Tom Tomberg
July 27, 2006 10:09 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HgEzfDDyBHM

HM: "The presumption of religious belief -- not to mention the contradictory thinking that so often accompanies it -- does damage to conservatism by resting its claims on revealed truth."

Well, that's quintessential ineffective umbrage, right there.

I have a great deal of sympathy for her overall viewpoint-- people in my family who are fiscally conserative, small-government Catholics would agree that revealed truth isn't a sound basis for governance.

But then she just _has_ to throw in there that religious thinking is usually contradictory. Why do that? Because expressing disdain and frustration is more important than just making a point, I guess. I swear, that kind of attitude is why athiests are their own worst enemy.

Well, and God, too. He's not a great enemy to have, either.>

Franklin Evans
July 27, 2006 10:09 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

I think she's wasting her time and breath. Religious conservatives are expressing their dogma in political terms, and agreement with dogma is a prerequisite for club membership, in their eyes.

They'll take her vote and her campaign contributions, though. She just shouldn't expect much in the way of acknowledgement.>

Franklin Evans
July 27, 2006 10:13 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

Sorry, Tom, but as much as you or I might disagree with her perception, it is that perception that counts, not any exhortation to refrain from offending your religious sensibilities.

I'm very religious. I'm also a Pagan. I have no difficulty accepting the view that my faith contains contradictions. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, because I have exactly that POV of Christianity. Hi, Mr. Pot, I'm Mr. Kettle. We are both black.>

Tom Tomberg
July 27, 2006 10:18 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HgEzfDDyBHM

Actually, I'm agnostic, hoping to convince myself to become Christian one of these days.

The God-as-an-enemy thing was a joke; I thought it was extremely witty, but it might have distracted from my point. My point was, don't tell religious people they're muddle-headed in a forum like this. It does no good.>

Jeff
July 27, 2006 11:27 PM

Do you have a link to her story?>

Jeff
July 27, 2006 11:29 PM

Sorry. Never mind. Needed to scroll down.>

Art Deco
July 27, 2006 11:56 PM
http://wwrtc.blogspot.com

Heather MacDonald is best known as a defender of the probity of law enforcement. She is an able advocate (second to none, really), but her field of interest is not that of the most salient social problems (which is fine).


Leaving aside Nat Hentoff and the late Christopher Lasch, are there any prominent secularists who make it a point to concern themselves with those aspects of the age that make it as appalling as it is? Mayble 'religious conservatives' assume 'they alone occupy the field' because their unchurched auxilliary is (when it counts) a corporal's guard.>

Franklin Evans
July 28, 2006 1:38 AM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

Thanks for clarifying, Tom. Please redirect my comments to the general "you".>

henry
July 28, 2006 4:27 PM

Testing.>

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