Anyway, not a moment too soon the cablers have a new weird-sex-nut to obsess over: freaky-deak polygamist cult leader Warren Jeffs, arrested today on charges related to his alleged arrangement of marriages to underage girls. Now, Jeffs crossed the legal and moral line if he's guilty of what he's being accused of, but let's consider polygamy among consenting adults for a second.
Sacralists have no trouble explaining why it's wrong. On what grounds, though, would naturalists show that it's wrong? If marriage is in its essence no more than a social and legal construct that confers certain benefites and obligations on parties to the marriage contract, why deny consenting adults the right to "plural marriage"? Especially if you think gays should have the right to marry? Nadine Strossen, president of the ACLU, has said, "We have defended the right for individuals to engage in polygamy. We defend the freedom of choice for mature, consenting individuals."
There is compelling logic here. Seriously. If gay marriage is enshrined into law -- and it would be done so on the basis that 1) same-gender is not a legitimate legal barrier to marriage, and 2) marriage is a merely human construct that in infinitely malleable -- then on what basis do we draw the line at polygamy? As Charles Krauthammer put it in a column:
In an essay 10 years ago, I pointed out that it is utterly logical for polygamy rights to follow gay rights. After all, if traditional marriage is defined as the union of (1) two people of (2) opposite gender, and if, as advocates of gay marriage insist, the gender requirement is nothing but prejudice, exclusion and an arbitrary denial of one's autonomous choices in love, then the first requirement -- the number restriction (two and only two) -- is a similarly arbitrary, discriminatory and indefensible denial of individual choice.
This line of argument makes gay activists furious. I can understand why they do not want to be in the same room as polygamists. But I'm not the one who put them there. Their argument does. Blogger and author Andrew Sullivan, who had the courage to advocate gay marriage at a time when it was considered pretty crazy, has called this the "polygamy diversion," arguing that homosexuality and polygamy are categorically different because polygamy is a mere "activity" while homosexuality is an intrinsic state that "occupies a deeper level of human consciousness."
But this distinction between higher and lower orders of love is precisely what gay rights activists so vigorously protest when the general culture "privileges" (as they say in the English departments) heterosexual unions over homosexual ones. Was "Jules et Jim" (and Jeanne Moreau), the classic Truffaut film involving two dear friends in love with the same woman, about an "activity" or about the most intrinsic of human emotions?
To simplify the logic, take out the complicating factor of gender mixing. Posit a union of, say, three gay women all deeply devoted to each other. On what grounds would gay activists dismiss their union as mere activity rather than authentic love and self-expression? On what grounds do they insist upon the traditional, arbitrary and exclusionary number of two?
Now that would be a discussion worth having on the cable shows! Similarly, I would like to hear a debate about the limits of religious liberty in this country, and the challenge posed by polygamy.

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Plus where did fashions from Little house on the prarie come into fashion again.
Would that they were! I'm so tired of seeing women wearing pants.>
Polygamy was banned in the United States as part of an overall religious "Pogrom" against the Mormons tat drove them out of New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and even off the Oregon Trail.
The laws passed by congress in the 1850s deprived the Mormons of the right to practice religion freely if that religion included polygamy. The same laws deprived practicing polygamists, and the religion they practiced, of their property. When the Supreme Court came down on the side of the law, the Mormons put obedience to the law of the land over "eternal principles" in an effort to end religious persecution.
Putting aside the laws, which I feel are in violation of the 1st Amendment, Polygamy deserves the same legal consideration as does Monagamy. The only difference between the two is the ratio of men to women. Women enter into Monogamous relationships for many of the same reason that they enter inot Polygamous relationships. Counselling is needed in either case to strongly discourage abuse.>
For another view on this religious "pogrom" and the history of the early LDS Church, see "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer, especially the chapter on the Mountain Meadows Massacre.>
Traditional marriage is about family. Traditional marriage is a lifetime commitment between one man and one woman. The product of such a union is children and a family. It's not surprising that a minority today are seeking to change the definition to legitimize what they do. I believe it's a mistake to change the definition of marriage. Families have always been the bedrock of a healthy society because the care and protection of children was at the forefront. As traditional family values have eroded (through divorce on demand, remarriage, extended families, etc.), we are seeing far more child abuse, sex crimes, and the like. At least that's how I see it.>
Pardon me while I snicker, Jayne.
"Traditional marriage is about family."
Sorry, traditionally, marriage was about control - over finances an dpeople.
"Traditional marriage is a lifetime commitment between one man and one woman."
Traditionally, marriage was a commitment between 1 WHITE man and 1 WHITE woman. Laws had to be changed to allow blacks, jews, and Catholics to marry (certainly was the case where I live).
Oh, and how come you betterosexuals have dropped the "lifetime" part? Just askin'.
"The product of such a union is children ..."
Patent nonsense. I can give you dozens of examples (some even from my own birth family) where NO children were produced by the union. Has it become a requirement now?
"It's not surprising that a minority today are seeking to change the definition to legitimize what they do."
Sad that that is what you believe, Jayne. I got married to my husband because I wanted to make a public declaration of our love and our relationship - within our Church community. Probably not much different than why you married, I venture to say. Our relationship did not and does not need "legitimizing", other than the full recognition in law of it - just like YOURS gets.
"I believe it's a mistake to change the definition of marriage."
And I believe you are a mean-spirited, delusional rightwwingquasireligigiousnutjob. We're both entitled to believe what we believe. I, however, do not wish to control what YOU do in your bedroom in order "to legitimize" it.>
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