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Reconsidering the military bill

Saturday September 30, 2006

Would somebody please point me to a source where I can get a straight answer on two issues related to this "torture"/"habeas corpus" bill we've been arguing about? Here's what I want to know:1. What interrogation techniques will be allowed...
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Robert
October 1, 2006 1:52 AM

My reading of the statute says that the New York Time editorial is right, for alien enemy combatants. The stautory definition of enemy combatant is left open to include citizens, but all of the other relevant language, the portion defining the jurisdiction of the commissions, the habeas corpus section, are specifically directed at aliens.

At least, that's true as I read, but my experience reading statutes is limited(first year law student).>

Cyn
October 1, 2006 3:25 AM
http://niall2.homeip.net/~cyndi/blog/wordpress/

Not to be snarky (really), but aren't you a reporter? If the media can't be bothered to look up the minutae of a recently passed law of extreme public interest, why are they around? You probably have other tasks on your plate, Rod, but why aren't your colleagues answering this question for you?>

Rod Dreher
October 1, 2006 4:36 AM

Cyn, I'm sitting at home on a Saturday, reading lots of confusing and contradictory stuff about this bill. What's wrong with asking readers what they've seen, and what they think?>

richao
October 1, 2006 9:46 AM

That's my impression of the bill. It actually appears, based on my quick skimming, to say that any alien, resident in the US or not, may be designated an unlawful enemy combatant and detained indefinitely. If so, however, it's likely that that provision will be construed more narrowly in the courts. There's a good bit of case law holding that habeas rights for resident aliens are constitutionally protected; they could not be deprived of habeas without a formal suspension of the writ, which it is unlikely this bill is.

Given this very likely narrowing of the bill, I can't figure out why people are so worked up about this aspect of it. It seems to me that it's essential we get the initial determination right--i.e., is the person really an unlawful combatant--but that certainly doesn't necessarily require recourse to federal courts. After that determination has been made by a competent tribunal, I see nothing wrong with tossing them in Gitmo and tossing the key somewhere in the Caribbean. Under the traditional laws of war, they would have been summarily executed anyway; even if we find that practice barbaric (though until recently, it was a feature of "civilized" warfare), I see no reason why they warrant particularly gentle treatment. And until someone explains to me why unlawful combatants should receive more favorable treatment than POWs (i.e., lawful combatants), I'll obstinately hold to this position.>

Joanne
October 2, 2006 5:29 AM

Hi Rod, That's exactly what they have done to an Australian called David Hicks who was captured in Afghanistan. Not that I support Hicks he may well be guilty but they should have a trial to find out.

Jo>

Terrence Berres
October 2, 2006 2:49 PM
http://terrenceberres.com

"I'm sitting at home on a Saturday, reading lots of confusing and contradictory stuff about this bill."

Does none of it quote the relevant parts of the bill or link to an online text?>

Mark Moore
October 2, 2006 4:34 PM

Underneath all this is the definition of "enemy combatant" that has been established by this legislation. An "enemy combatant" is now no longer just someone captured "during an armed conflict" against our forces. Thanks to this legislation, George W. Bush is now able to designate as an "enemy combatant" anyone who has "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States."

Consider that language a moment. "Purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States" is in the eye of the beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other part of the so-called "War on Terror."

If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them up.

By writing this essay, I could be deemed an "enemy combatant." It's that simple, and very soon, it will be the law. I always laughed when people told me to be careful. I'm not laughing anymore.

In Case I Disappear
By William Rivers Pitt

">http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml>

Franklin Evans
October 2, 2006 4:48 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

Mark, thank you very much for bringing the Pitt essay to light.>

Joel
October 2, 2006 5:19 PM

Rod,

We don't know whether waterboarding is allowed. It probably is, but the bill (now law) uses the words "severe suffering" and other such rather than descriptions of specific techniques. Of course, the President gets to define what these words mean.

The irony here is that the President said we needed this law because the Geneva Conventions are too vague.>

Mark Moore
October 2, 2006 5:45 PM

"
Congress may give the president the power to lock up almost anyone he thinks is a terror threat.

By Bruce Ackerman, BRUCE ACKERMAN is a professor of law and political science at Yale and author of "Before the Next Attack: Preserving Civil Liberties in an Age of Terrorism."
September 28, 2006


BURIED IN THE complex Senate compromise on detainee treatment is a real shocker, reaching far beyond the legal struggles about foreign terrorist suspects in the Guantanamo Bay fortress. The compromise legislation, which is racing toward the White House, authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights.

This dangerous compromise not only authorizes the president to seize and hold terrorists who have fought against our troops "during an armed conflict," it also allows him to seize anybody who has "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States." This grants the president enormous power over citizens and legal residents. They can be designated as enemy combatants if they have contributed money to a Middle Eastern charity, and they can be held indefinitely in a military prison.

Not to worry, say the bill's defenders. The president can't detain somebody who has given money innocently, just those who contributed to terrorists on purpose.

But other provisions of the bill call even this limitation into question. What is worse, if the federal courts support the president's initial detention decision, ordinary Americans would be required to defend themselves before a military tribunal without the constitutional guarantees provided in criminal trials.

Legal residents who aren't citizens are treated even more harshly. The bill entirely cuts off their access to federal habeas corpus, leaving them at the mercy of the president's suspicions.

We are not dealing with hypothetical abuses. The president has already subjected a citizen to military confinement. Consider the case of Jose Padilla. A few months after 9/11, he was seized by the Bush administration as an "enemy combatant" upon his arrival at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. He was wearing civilian clothes and had no weapons. Despite his American citizenship, he was held for more than three years in a military brig, without any chance to challenge his detention before a military or civilian tribunal. After a federal appellate court upheld the president's extraordinary action, the Supreme Court refused to hear the case, handing the administration's lawyers a terrible precedent.
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">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ackerman28sep28,0,619852.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail>

Mark Moore
October 2, 2006 5:48 PM

Here is the new, broadened definition, as enunciated in the legislation recently passed by the House:

"The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means (i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or associated forces); or (ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense."

">http://balkin.blogspot.com/Bush.Military.Commissions.Bill.pdf.>

Mark Moore
October 2, 2006 7:17 PM

"
This bill concerned "the writ of habeas corpus [which] is the fundamental right for the political system originally envisioned by the founders of the United States." This bill concerned the ultimate foundation of individual liberty. In the most important and deepest sense, this bill was the ball game.
"

">http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/09/thus-world-was-lost.html>

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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