Sauce for the halal goose?
Now here's an interesting situation. Remember the big controversy not long ago over the pro-life pharmacists who didn't want to sell the so-called morning-after pill because it's potentially abortifacient? Remember how they said it would violate their conscience to sell...
The big issue with emergency contraception is whether the government can force pharmacists to sell it, even if they feel that their conscience forbids it. The parallel would be if the government attempted to *require all* convenience stores to sell alcohol.
Thus, I don't see where the comparison to Sharia law comes in. If something akin to Sharia law were at issue, the government would be banning alcohol altogether, or banning taxis from carrying passengers with alcohol. Instead, here it just seems to be a matter of free choice. And given the economic cost of making that choice, I'm pretty confident that most taxis and shopkeepers won't make that same choice.>
What Stuart says: it's a matter of personal choice. If an individual wants to live in accordance with Sharia insofar as it impacts their actions and decisions, more power to them.
The situation with the pharmacists is arguably different in that they are healthcare professionals and thus (some would say) bound by a code of responsible behavior that goes beyond the simple rules of commerce and trade.
To me, the store owner and the taxi driver are exactly the same, ethically. The taxi driver is maybe more extreme, but the principle supporting their actions is the same.
A better analogy for the pharmacists, however, might be a cop who does not support the War on Drugs, and thus refuses to bust nonviolent drug offenders. Or a person who joins the Army, then refuses to go to war because he's a pacifist. (This latter example should not be confused with someone who refuses to fight an illegal war. That person is within their rights as a soldier.) While I might personally applaud either of those decisions, really, objectively, the cop should never have become a cop, and the soldier should never have joined up. If you're not willing to do the job, don't enter the service.>
If the pharmacist owns the pharmacy and he doesn't want to dispense abortion pills then he shouldn't have to do so. If he doesn't own the pharmacy, then it should be his employer's call on what to do. It should be none of the government's business either way.>
BrentEubanks, could you please clarify something for me? Would you say that a healthcare career requires a person to be willing to participate in abortions? Is this only true in the case of chemical abortions, or is it true for surgical abortions as well? Your analogy of the cop and the soldier suggests that they are refusing something which by definition is part of their jobs, and I'm wondering if you see participation in abortion as equally required of a healthcare professional.>
Actually, most jurisdictions have rules against taxi drivers refusing passengers. When they accept the taxicab license, they agree to carry any orderly passenger who agrees to pay the fare. This is important because they are a public conveyance, and not allowed to discriminate for any reason.
The same is true of the pharmacist. If there are pharmacies on every corner, then perhaps you could make an argument that they should be able to pick and choose what they sell, and who they sell it to. The fact is, time is critical for this drug to be used, and in many small towns, there isn't a lot of choice when it comes to getting your prescription filled.
Ending a potential pregancy immediately after it happens is much less traumatic for everyone involved, rather than forcing a true abortion by not selling this product.>
Freedom is freedom. If the cab owner is the Muslim, he is free to refuse business to anyone just like a restaurant owner or shop keeper, etc. If he is working for a company that has a policy which dictates his fares, then he is free not to work for them.
Pharmacists are under no obligation to provide every drug that is made, as doctors are under no obligation to offer every procedure/treatment that is out there. They are judgement calls based on what they feel is in the best interest of their patients.
If consumers want a pharmacist who sells abortifacients or a doctor who performs abortions, they are free to choose one that does so.
Freedom is dictated by principles, not by how many Walgreens there are in your town.>
jttoye,
Less traumatics? What about the life snuffed out by this drug? I suppose you don't bother to count it's "trauma" at not being given a chance at life.
Maybe you meant to say "it's less traumatic for those who wish to live without consequences.">
I don't see a true parallel, because one is an area of "personal morality" and one is a question of "public morality."
The Muslim storekeeper objects to a customer drinking alcohol - but the customer's action will only directly impact himself.
The pro-life pharmacist objects to a customer purchasing an item which will be used to end the life of another human being - impacting more than just the person purchasing the item. The decision to purchase and use the morning-after pill is therefore an area of "public morality," as it affects more than just one person.
You can substitute "human life" for "person" in that last sentence, I suppose, if you don't want to grant that the newly conceived life belongs to a "person." But there is still a difference between how the Muslim views an alcohol-purchasing customer and how the pharmacist views a morning-after-pill-purchasing customer.>
I'm with Pete and Ostrea, with a little clarification.
If the pharmacist or the cabbie is working for someone else, then the dispute is between the pharmacist/cabbie and their employer. If the employer wishes to tolerate these employees refusing to serve someone/some_product, then it's all good. The consumer can shop elsewhere. If the employer requires the employees to so serve, then it depends on the terms of the employment. Most employment is "at will", so then the employer can terminate the employee if he wants, and the employee is free to work elsewhere.
This really isn't that hard of a problem.>
I agree, Pik, except that conservative Christians have groups like the Alliance Defense Fund and ACLJ just waiting to sue over such a termination because they are convinced their religious liberties are in doubt. Thus a Christian who refuses to sell contraceptives can bully their employer to make them tolerate their prejudices and beliefs.>
Susan, some people will call me as conservative a Christian as there is. Perhaps the courts will sort this out, as well they should. And they should reach the result I suggest. ;-) There is no need to be afraid of lawsuits.
But there is also no need for you to call names, though. It is a good thing we have groups like the Alliance Defense Fund, ACLJ, Thomas More Society and, yes, the ACLU (the way they used to be, anyway). It is the judges that I typically have a problem with.>
pikkumatti has got it right, I think. No one has the right to force a business owner to sell a product whether it's a medication they don't approve of, alcohol or pacifiers. If the shop owners were people who lived in the 'hood and decided that they were feeding various pathologies by selling alcohol and stopped, we would probably commend them for sacrificing profits for the good of the community. Looking askance at a shopkeeper for making the same choice simply because it was made by muslims (as opposed to baptists or mormons who also prohibit alcohol) demonstrates bigotry, not a reasonable concern for the American way of life. Also, when we lose the ability to tell the difference between legitimate choices people of faith can make about how to conduct themselves and their business and sharia law,we lose all credibility to speak out on the issue should the need arise. On the "danger to the American way of life" scale, not giving taxi rides and selling alcohol are right up there with my catholic college not selling meat in the cafeteria on fridays during lent - not even to the muslims on campus!>
No one should be strongarmed into violating his conscience. If a shopkeeper refuses to carry something that a customer wants, the customer can take his business elsewhere.>
SUSAN:
Time for more reading. The rights reside with the employer in this case and the conservative legal groups would support that. Please post a URL of an exception.
But let's go further: A cab driver who refuses to pick up women who are dressed as infidels?
What if race were an issue? The court has said that race trumps religion.>
Equating some person being unable to buy beer and having to walk a block to another store, and a potential rape victim being forced to give birth to the offspring of her attacker because no one will sell her the pill seems like a simplistic argument verging on ignorant.>
Pete,
I would contend that it is less traumatic for the cell mass that is destroyed by the morning after pill (if indeed conception happened) than it is for a fetus that is subsequently aborted.
What next? Should the pharmacist be able to refuse to sell condoms? Birth control pills?
I agree that the company that owns the pharmacy should be able to decide what they carry, by the way, but most of these incidents I have heard of were employees refusing to sell products stocked by the company they work for.>
I would also disagree with the sharia law comment - no one is suggesting making it the law of the land that alcohol can't be sold etc. I think we need to be careful to think about the consistency of our arguments when we disagree with people's religious choices. You may think it's stupid to refuse a cab fare because the passenger is carrying alcohol, or you may think it's ok to dispense abortifacents and disagree with pharmacists who refuse to fill those prescriptions, but I thik it's important to note that liberty and freedom go both ways. If we limit the freedom of Muslims to conduct business along the lines of their consciences, we will be opening the door for Christians to be limited in the same ways. THAT is where we run the risk of falling under a law system restrictive of religion - whether it be Muslim sharia law, or secular humanist restrictions of religious practice and belief.>
I have to say, I'm opposed to abortion, but I really don't believe that pharmacists should have the right to deny people medications that have been properly prescribed for them by their physicians. If we don't want people to be able to obtain these products, then we should enact laws forbidding their sale. If they're legal and a physician has prescribed them, I don't see that a pharmacist has any responsibility beyond ensuring the quality of the drug, the proper dosage, proper packaging, ensuring that the prescription is valid, and verifying the identity and age of the purchaser (that the person getting the prescription is in fact the person for whom it was prescribed, or a designated representative). If your conscience forbids you to sell legal medications to people who are legally permitted to have them, then perhaps your conscience doesn't allow you to work as a pharmacist.>
But Catherine, we negotiate those differences all the time. Fundamentalist Mormons don't have the legal right to practice their religion when it comes to polygamy. We collectively have decided, via our legislatures and courts, that religious freedom has limits. The question is: what are they?>
"Time for more reading. The rights reside with the employer in this case and the conservative legal groups would support that. Please post a URL of an exception."
Time for more reading, TMatt
">http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/25/184722.shtml>
Are any of you guys from the South? In Kentucky, there are many counties where it is the law of the land that alcohol can't be sold. My host parents in Germany were complaining that it's the same way in Utah, but I can't verify. Prohibitions against alcohol aren't the sole domain of Islam.>
I think there would only be a parallel if you are talking about a store that sells alcohol, the Muslim store employees refused to sell it.>
correction:
, and the Muslim store employees....
Gosh.>
I think a small business owner has every right to make decisions about what he (or she) sells in his store.
However, a licensed pharmacist in someone else's business shouldn't be allowed to make that kind of decision. As to whether the employer of that pharmacist has the right, I'm not sure. Perhaps it depends upon whether that particular company has a monopoly in the region it serves.>
Additionally, perhaps corporations ought to be treated differently than individual business owners. There is one solution that I'm not sure anyone has mentioned.
That is to forbid anyone to sell anything at all to people who don't have the same philosphical and religious and political beliefs as the seller. Limit the customer pool in that way and you might just eliminate the problem. He he.>
David White's comment from this morning deserves a closer look. What if the legally prescribed drugs are for the purpose of euthanasia? What if a state has enacted a law that lets physicians prescribe such drugs so that the patient can do away with him/herself in the privacy of his/her home, instead of having to be in a hospital or doctor's office? What if the pharmacist's moral beliefs absolutely forbid him or her to dispense such a prescription? Will people like Mr. White then insist that those people whose consciences won't allow them to assist someone's suicide shouldn't be working as pharmacists?>
If I am the only licensed doctor within reach by a prospective patient who thinks she needs an abortion (assuming she will not die if she doesn't get one), am I obligated to perform the abortion she requests or face the loss of my license? I think not.>
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