I heard a Diane Rehm show interview via podcast yesterday with Rajiv Chandrasekaran, who was the Washington Post's Baghdad bureau chief early in the war. He said his reporting showed that when the Americans allowed the looting of Baghdad, that was when the effort to secure the country and put it on solid footing was lost. Had the Americans refused to let that go on, they would have shown the Iraqis -- all of them, not just the looters -- that order would be maintained. They didn't, and so lost an immense amount of respect. And here we are today.
How bad is it in Iraq? David Brooks writes an astonishing column -- "astonishing" for reasons I'll get to in a minute -- in today's Times (and yes, it's behind the firewall, so I won't link), reporting on new independent survey research done among Iraqis. Here's the gist:
What’s true of children is true of adults, and in Iraq we now have a case study in human insecurity. The people of Iraq have endured decades of dictatorship, war, insurgency and civil strife, and the psychological costs have been ruinous. Iraq is the most xenophobic, sexist and reactionary society on earth.
Researchers from the invaluable World Values Survey have interviewed over 2,300 adults from all over Iraq. The results have just been published by Ronald Inglehart, Mansoor Moaddel and Mark Tessler in the journal Perspectives on Politics.
Inglehart, Moaddel and Tessler describe a people who, buffeted by violence, have withdrawn into mere survival mode. They are suspicious of outsiders and intolerant toward weak groups, and they cling fiercely to what is familiar and traditional.
This didn't start with the US invasion -- Saddam's dictatorship destroyed much of Iraqi civil society -- so it's hard to know how much of this to blame on the US, and how much on Saddam. The invasion and the way we handled its aftermath certainly didn't help things. To read the Brooks column is to see how utterly far gone Iraq today is. I have no idea how on earth we can salvage a decent outcome now. People are absolutely terrified, and as Brooks said, they are reacting like human beings do in such a situation of anarchic violence.
There are two things I found astonishing in the Brooks column. One, Brooks said the US was surprised to learn how religious Iraqi society had become under Saddam; the Iraqi exiles who had Bush's ear hadn't prepared him for that. Oh? Throughout the modern Arab world, the religious sphere has long been the only place where dissent from authoritarian governments was allowed. Of course the Iraqis would have become more religious. So would we have done under similar circumstances. And the men who planned to overthrow the regime and remake Iraqi society didn't understand this? Or they didn't realize that Iraqi religion was not the same as suburban American Evangelicalism? The mind boggles.
Second ... well, here's Brooks:
The larger lesson, as we think about future efforts to reform the Middle East and combat extremism, is that the Chinese model probably works best. That is, it’s best to champion economic reform before political reform.
We know from a wealth of historical experience that when people see their standard of living rise, they reject the reactionary survival mentality and they become more open to others and to change. If people already see their lives improving materially, they will be more likely to keep their cool as their political institutions are reinvented.
In the age of terror, statesmanship means knowing how to create a sense of security so you can lead people on a voyage of reform. Most of all, it means that if you’re going to do nation-building, you have to understand the values of the people you’re going to build a nation with.
You just want to bang your head on your desk. How many times do we Americans have to learn this lesson? Rich says that we are no different in Iraq than the naive Americans portrayed in Graham Greene's "The Quiet American," who just happily assumed that the rest of the world is just like us. We overthrew a country and had no idea what we were getting into. There were conservative voices who said wait, stop, you can't do this, it'll be a disaster, their culture is not our culture. But not enough people listened (once again, I plead guilty to this). For whatever motive -- and there were several -- we preferred to believe that those who were pessimistic about imposing universalist Western values on an ancient, tribal and fiercely religious Middle Eastern country were cynics, even, as Laura Bush said, racists.
And now look at where our idealism has got us. Oh, and by the way? A new top-secret authoritative intelligence assessment by the US Government finds that the Iraq War -- for all the dead and maimed, and all the hundreds of billions poured down a rathole -- has made America less safe from terrorism. Stuff happens.

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Watsy, I don't see how you can argue that Saddam's Iraq wasn't "cooperating with terrorism" when Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Or maybe that didn't matter, since they were mainly killing Jews.>
Maybe we should have invaded Saudi Arabia; they also support terrorists in Israel, and some of the 9/11 hijackers actually came from there.
Maybe we should have gone into the West Bank and Gaza instead.
While I think that support is totally wrong, that's not why we went into Iraq.
As for the looting, whether or not the museum was lotted as badly as the Evil Media claimed, the problem was the looting of the whole country, and the understanding that we would not stop it. We took away their government and gave them nothing in exchange. As it says in a Jewish text called Pirkei Avot, "Pray for the government, for without it, men would devour each other".>
That's right, Steve. I'm an anti-Semite. I guess I'd better share that information with my husband and children who are Jewish. I guess I'd better share that with my husband's relatives in Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda
Now you're saying that Israel and Hamas had something to do with the decision to invade Iraq? Or, you're not saying that. You're just adding it onto the list of reasons that weren't presented prior to the Iraq invasion to justify it.
I don't remember Israel and Hamas being a part of the conversation during Bush's Roadmap to War. Al-Queda was part of the conversation. The 9/11 commission confirmed that there was no collaboration.
Israel has the right to defend herself. The American people have the right to know when they're voting for war to defend Israel. If Hamas and Saddam and Israel were one of the reasons that we went to war, then that should have been discussed with the American people. I have nothing against defending Israel. It's just that when "we the people" make up the government of the USA, I think that "we the people" have the right to know why we've decided to let our politicians go ahead with the missile launches.
BTW, I'm starting to change my mind about Israel's tactics in dealing with terrorism. It's not that I'm anti-Jewish(although that MUST be it), but that it doesn't seem to make them safer and it creates more hate. It's not working for us, either.>
At least they've cut the murder-bombings way down. If they had done it right they might have finished Hezbollah (which is not as robust as that liar Nesrallah would have us think.
Democracy may not work too well, either, since Hamas and Hezbollah got into the governments that way...>
The hardest part about forming an opinion about Israel and Lebanon is having enough information to really form an opinion.
How unfriendly was the official Lebanese government with Israel prior to getting bombed? How much effort did Israel put into working with the weak, but official, Lebanese government prior to taking on Hezbollah? In my view, when you ignore a weak but official government, you play into the hands of terrorists because it gives them legitimacy.
If Israel wanted to rid Hezbollah from Lebanon, they should have started with the official government. Maybe they did and it wasn't widely reported. Maybe it was and I missed it.
I think that we did it right in Afghanistan. We first tried to get the Taliban to cooperate. When they didn't cooperate, then we went to war against the government of Afghanistan.
The same goes with Hamas. From my perspective, even before the elections, it looked like Hamas ran the show and not the weak but friendlier elected officials.>
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