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Monday October 23, 2006

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Neil
October 23, 2006 9:05 PM

Rod, when/if you get broadband back up, I recommend reading http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index2.ssf?/base/living-0/116149796856910.xml&coll=1, an article by Chris Rose of the Times-Picayune, detailing his struggle with depression in the wake of Katrina.>

Karen
October 23, 2006 9:33 PM

I hear you on the TV thing. My husband was working The Job From Hell while I was pregnant with our second son, and our first had just turned 3. I turned to Scooby Doo videos and "Yellow Submarine." Over and over and over and over and over . . . .>

Eric Weiss
October 23, 2006 10:31 PM

If you have REALLY young ones, the Praise Baby DVDs are quite nice:

Praise Baby Collection. Available at most Xian bookstores, too.>

seejanemom
October 23, 2006 10:33 PM
http://www.thekidalog.com/seejanemom/

Oh, and since you don't do TRACKBACKS, your shameless plug with a link to your book is over at my site.>

brother lesser
October 23, 2006 10:53 PM
http://portiunculathelittleportion.blogspot.com

I think we all needto thank Thomas Edison. If it weren't for Edison's inventive genious, we would all be watching television by candle light !!!>

Anonymous
October 23, 2006 11:10 PM

Is it o.k. to use the Latin sign off now you're not a Catholic? Being Mr. Mom may not be all bad. By connecting with your kids maybe they'll come visit you when you're old and grey. It won't kill ya.>

Philip Mitchell
October 24, 2006 12:01 AM

Maybe a new book?

The Crunchy Con's Survival Guide to Infants

or

Crunchy Spirituality and the New (Old) Parenting

I'd buy in a hot minute. . . (Now, if my kids would only give the time to read it. . . .)>

BrentEubanks
October 24, 2006 12:24 AM
http://a-steep-hill.livejournal.com/profile

Oh Captain, my Captain Crunch---HOW to square the country life sans cable internet?

Satellite broadband, of course :)>

Photini Henderson
October 24, 2006 12:26 AM

The times they are a changing ...

Have you read Future Shop? If we actually faced our addiction to stuff, storage, pods, and rubbermaid tubs stacked in the garage and asked ourselves why? What are we lacking, why do we need this? Maybe we could focus on the emptiness rather than the shopping ...

Sell it, or be honest, rent it, lease it, pass it on ...>

D.S.
October 24, 2006 1:17 AM

I'm fine with letting the kids watch good DVD's, but Starbucks? Starbucks!?!?

I will assume that you sat outside Fourbucks in your car, within wireless range, drinking cheap and local coffee.

Oh, and I agree with the guy who says to read the Chris Rose piece. It's important to know that the guy made his name as a writer of hilarious happenings around New Orleans, before he got really dark on us after Katrina. Imagine not having broadband access for a year.

Oh, and I found the subtle, hidden connection between the Chris Rose link and Rod's heretical Starbucks post: After the power came on about a month or 6 weeks post-Katrina, there was a (local, small) coffeehouse that did not reopen, but whose wireless router rebooted itself and began functioning, when the rest of that part of the city had no phones and no cable. For a month or so, every time you'd drive by the place, people would be sitting on the sidewalk outside of the closed coffeehouse, drinking their own coffee from home, using the free broadband that was leaking from inside.>

eCurious
October 24, 2006 1:49 AM

Hi, Rod. Welcome to our world: the world of at-home moms. To paraphrase the late Erma Bombeck: without my Internet connection, I'd bleed to death.

Seriously, though, this was the kind of thing that kept bugging me whenever I considered Crunchyism. I mean, it sounds so lovely, the dream: sipping locally-cultivated organically grown herbal tea while the children do their home school assignments on environmentally friendly paper that we made as a class project out of the pulp of our old, non-crunchy bookcases; then on to hang the laundry in the breezy afternoon air before returning to the house to craft, lovingly and elegantly, the main meal of the day, the ingredients of which were purchased on our morning walk to the local farmer's market. But the reality is lovely too, even if it involves Target's cheapest spiral-bound notebooks, large infusions of caffeine via non-Crunchy coffee, a functioning washer AND dryer, and a main meal which may include flash-frozen chicken and instant stuffing. It's lovely because it's done out of love, just like the "Mr. Mom" service you're offering for your family right now.>

Gabriel
October 24, 2006 3:19 AM
http://decayedarcadia.blogspot.com

Rod- you need an alteration in blogging technology. My suggestion: carrier pigeons to take your posts to the good folks at beliefnet.

Sure, you'll lose something in immediacy & efficiency, but as we both know, those are uncrunchy values anyway.>

Rod Dreher
October 24, 2006 5:34 AM

Yay! I'm back online tonight. ECurious, in my book, Julie is the voice of wisdom, puncturing the perfect crunchy reverie by saying that stay-at-home mom-dom is made possible in part by the miracle of the microwave -- quickly reheating homecooked meals that have been frozen. I can't remember if you read the book or not, but I'm pretty clear in there that there are ideals, and there is real life. We should try to live up to the ideals, but not freak out if we have to make some concessions to reality. (This is why we put Matthew in school; homeschooling simply wasn't working for him). This caused some people to call me a hypocrite, but the fact that we can't always live up to our ideals doesn't invalidate them.>

eastcoastlady
October 24, 2006 3:08 PM
http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/virtualtalmud/

How nice to be called a hypocrite by someone who does not have to live your life and whose own life is not impacted by your actions.>

Todd Thomas
October 24, 2006 4:17 PM

been enjoying the blog and posts! glad to know that our prayers for you family are being answered as well. i guess i'll have to find a copy of your book... think half-pice will have it? oh, and we should not forget that our local coffee shops are so enjoyable because the "commuters" are all over at starbucks! i myself am enjoying some dark roast and free wifi only two blocks from my home... ahhhhhh.>

seejanemom
October 24, 2006 4:53 PM
http://www.thekidalog.com/seejanemom/2006/10/crunchy_con_is_.html

Yeah, the whole Fourbucks thing....SOOOOOOooooo very "mushy". I don't find that hypocritcal, just sad. Their coffee is so fussy. You don't seem fussy, Mr. Dreher.

HAPPY PAPERBACK DEBUT!!! Check out my homage to the great tome at my site. It truly changed my life---our lives.>

Bubba
October 24, 2006 5:44 PM
http://concrunchy.blogspot.com/

This caused some people to call me a hypocrite, but the fact that we can't always live up to our ideals doesn't invalidate them.

Well said, Rod, but three quick things that are probably rooted with my oldest questions and objections:

1) I've yet to see an argument that the ideals of neo-traditionalism are, in fact, valid.

2) If the ideals themselves are internally inconsistent -- such as when the crunchy ideals weirdly support both community and the isolation of home-schooling and dietary self-sufficiency -- then the ideals might just be invalid.

3) You do clearly fall so friggin' short of the ideals you espouse: not only being addicted to broadband, but also playing Disney-produced DVD's on your laptop while your wife's recovering, and listening to French music on your iPod while cradling your newborn. Since your swimming in hypocrisy, perhaps you should have been more humble about others before you accused mainstream conservatives of being insincere in their faith and being idolators of wealth and power, or before you accused rank-and-file Republicans of being homophobes for holding the exact same position you do on redefining marriage.

Your hypocrisy does leave open the question of whether the ideals of crunchy conservatism are valid in the first place. Your hypocrisy at least leaves open the possibility that those ideals are themselves inconsistent and therefore invalid.

And, combined with your Christian faith, your hypocrisy requires more humility in criticizing others for living in suburbs and shopping at Wal-Mart. Mote and speck, Rod.>

Rod Dreher
October 24, 2006 6:07 PM

Bubba, you know why I ignore you? It's not because you don't have some valid points. It's because you argue in such bad faith. I don't think you've ever read my book, for one thing, and for another, you tipped your hand when you were quick to assume -- and put on the blog -- that the reason I had withheld announcing my conversion to Orthodoxy was to pump sales of my paperback. That was completely untrue, and you apologized for the insinuation. But this is typical of your entire approach toward this discussion. I can't for the life of me understand why you keep hanging around a blog dedicated to exploring ideas that you find foolish and hypocritical. I think you should ask yourself why you have this weird obsession.>

Bubba
October 24, 2006 7:53 PM
http://concrunchy.blogspot.com/

Rod, I'm by no means the only one who's been critical or at least skeptical of your book and theses. You may have good reasons for ignoring me personally: why have you never even approached in public the substance of people like Gilbert Meilaender, Kevin Holtsberry, or Jonah Goldberg?

But if you do have good reasons to ignore me, you don't give them here. Yes, I didn't finish your book; part of the reason was, the same week I was trying to stomach the unsubstantiated insults that your book hurls at mainstream conservatives, you started the nonsense about how Republicans are homophobes for agreeing with you. At any rate, I've never read your book; you've apparently never responded substantively to criticism. Let's just call it even on who's arguing in bad faith, shall we?

As for the other reason, I wasn't "quick" to presume your withholding your move to Orthodoxy was related to the release of your book in paperback: I just noted that its release date coincided with the mysterious "professional" reason for keeping that conversion a secret, and I acknowledged the possibility of being wrong even before I noted that coincidence. But, again, we can call this even as -- EVEN NOW -- you seem pretty damn quick to reach the worst possible conclusions about me, attributing my being here to a "weird obsession."

AND I NOTICE YOU DO NOT EVEN ONCE ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT I JUST WROTE.

That's the difference between us: I actually take seriously what you write; I disagree with it, but I have substantive reasons for doing so. You not only refuse to take seriously what I write, you don't even take seriously your own words. You don't defend your positions, and you impugn as obsessed those who dare expect a professional writer and newspaper editor to do so.

"This is just a blog, I'm just a writer," et cetera.

You wonder why I'm still here? Give me a reason to leave: explain why I should give you a free pass on such unprofessional behavior, or start behaving professionally.>

Bubba
October 24, 2006 7:54 PM
http://concrunchy.blogspot.com/

(It is, by the way, hilarious that Rod would accuse others of arguing in bad faith.)>

John
October 24, 2006 10:18 PM

It is, by the way, amazing the amount of time you and other people have for mean spirited attacks on one person. Though it is kind of cute and maybe even a little heartwarming how you've created a whole little online community for doing so.>

Bubba
October 24, 2006 10:34 PM
http://concrunchy.blogspot.com/

It's the least we could do for a guy who's made a career of biting the hands that have fed him.>

Giovanni Capistrano
October 25, 2006 2:54 AM

Amen Brother Bubba, Amen to that!!>

Liz
October 25, 2006 4:14 AM
pinklogician.blogspot.com

Wow. Nastiness abounds suddenly. (Come and see the violence inherent in the system?)

I know this makes me the nerd of all nerds, but I think you mean "repressed," not "oppressed.">

Peter Greenman
October 25, 2006 7:58 PM

Rod,
A heads up here, as much as I enjoy your blog it's frustrating to be able to see your updated posts only intermittently. I'm posting this here only because it's the latest posting I can see. What's up with beliefnet's system?
Peter>

Bill
October 25, 2006 8:18 PM

"The Crunchy Con's Survival Guide to Infants" - Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee!
amazing how little it takes for some!'
My wife and I have 7 children!
Hey Rod have you heard from Bronson?>

paagle
October 25, 2006 8:23 PM

I've been seeing this post as the top one off and on as well. Yesterday I saw some newer entries, yesterday evening (PST) and today this has been the top. Better get the geeks on the case...>

Marty
October 25, 2006 8:44 PM

I don't think crunchyness is just about avoiding TV or feeling like you must make all meals from scratch or you're some sort of evil person if you use disposable diapers. Or broadband internet.

If you have a spirit of detachment from material possessions and you realize that life is not about just more more more conspicuous consumption, you're on the road to crunchydom. So, hey, serve microwaved meals so you won't go nuts wiht a new baby around & let the kids watch a little TV.

As to Rod "biting the hand that feeds him" I don't know what that means. AFAIK he's not said bad things about National Review or Dallas Morning News or wherever else he's worked.

I mean, really, a blog dedicated just to running Rod down? Don't you people have anything better to do with your time? The words "get a life" occur to me.>

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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