Another one of these points, and this is the moral of the story, is pretty clearly that of hubris calling down nemesis. This is hubris in both its senses of violence and arrogance, which invites the downfall of those who try to raise themselves up too high or who believe about themselves that, as the bloody priest claims, “we are a people of destiny, we are masters of time.” Whom the gods would destroy, they first make insufferably self-important. These words do not necessarily echo (and indict) any particular leader, any particular elite or any particular civilisation (though it is a timeless message and one that all would do well to heed), but rather the tendency of every ruler, every people and every civilisation in its time to claim the mantle of the predestined, the chosen, the invincible, History’s favourites for whom the rules are different and to whom the normal course of history, change and decay does not apply. The perfect irony of the priest’s declaration to be one of the masters of time on the eve of his civilisation’s fall seems to have been somewhat lost on many of the critics. If we cannot see how this lesson relates to us or how we can make use of it, we really are in trouble. If the audience forgets or overlooks this part of the film, I think they have pretty much missed what Gibson is trying to say.
Larison goes on to say that:
all the critics have done Apocalypto a grave disservice in their emphasis on its supposedly overwhelming violence. This aspect of the film has been talked up so much that it almost convinced me, sight unseen, to not see it because the way people were describing it I came away with the impression that this was going to be something like the Chichen Itza Chainsaw Massacre. It was nothing like that, and not anywhere even close.
Oh really? Maybe I should reconsider my decision not to see it, especially given Larison's judgment that the film "is, in its way, the greatest anti-statist movie of the last ten years."
Stuart Buck liked it too, and he later approvingly sent me a link to a glowing review by the Catholic blogger Bill Cork, who observed:
But while Mel never says it, he knows, and hopes we know, that the aid that these children will get will come not from a merciful mother moon, but from a merciful Mother who stands on the moon; whose son is not a returning Mayan god but the Son of the Most High God. This is a movie about the destruction of an evil society, from within--and from without. It is a movie about fear and hopelessness--but also of hope, and a new beginning, heralded by the arrival at the end of ships bearing on their sails a sign of contradiction, of death and new life. As survivors of a harrowing chase stand on the sea shore, boats come toward them, bearing the men who will be instruments in the creation of that new world, through the preaching of the cross.
But this new world is not created through external salvation alone--grace perfects nature. Gibson has a Catholic sensibility. There is good in this world that is worth preserving. There is evil, but there is innocence. The new civilization that will arise will not be a mere subjugation of the old, or a replacement by what is new, but a blending of the two to create a new reality.
It is no accident that this movie was released on the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception, the day before the feast of St. Juan Diego, and days before the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
The film ends with the coming of the Spanish conquistadores, who would in time work to crush the savage Indian religion. One professor is furious about the way the Mayans' faith was depicted as insanely violent, even though it was:
We have evidence to suggest that there were group sacrifices. But it would probably have been done as a pious act with solemnity. Some of it was probably public spectacle.
And we are to mourn the passing of this blood-soaked evil because...? Whatever evil they worked in their time, thank God that the Spanish came, and opened the way for Our Lady of Guadalupe to convert the nation. Anyway, Daniel and Stuart have me rethinking seeing the film. I was startled, in a good way, by this passage from Seattle newspaper review William Arnold, quoted by Larison. Arnold writes:
But this is not at all apparent from the movie. What is apparent is that the movie is an all-out attack on tribal culture, which Hollywood has idealized throughout its history and made a fetish in the era of political correctness.
I’m not sure how conscious this is on Gibson’s part. It’s likely not a position he has carefully thought out. In many ways, this is the work of an angry, unstable, self-destructive artist guided by pure instinct: a Modigliani or Van Gogh painting on a $100 million canvas.
But his movie definitely is telling us that tribal sensibility, which films like “Dances With Wolves” celebrate so nostalgically, actually is primitive and backward; and its resurgence in Africa and the Middle East is causing all the problems in our world.
In the climax of “Apocalypto,” when signs appear that the white man and his Christian civilization are coming, we feel relief. That relief flies in the face of everything the movies have taught us since the ’60s, and no one but Gibson would have dared try to induce it.
Daniel, who hadn't seen the movie when he penned these lines, said:
It is not, I am guessing, a simple story of savage natives destroying themselves, only to be delivered by the white man–in fact, I am doubtful that the conclusion is meant to be a relief. It is probably intended as judgement, a confirmation of the Durant quote cited at the beginning about the collapse of civilisations, and proof that the mayhem you have been watching for the past two hours has had the consequences of distracting everyone from real dangers by focusing on phantoms and illusions and seeking false solutions through an orgy of violent bloodletting. (What could the movie be referring to, I wonder?)
OK, OK, enough of me quoting what other people have to say about the movie. I'm going to steel myself against the violence, and try to see it over the next week or so.

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Saying that you're now "open" to seeing the movie is altogether different than admitting you were just dead wrong, and that you prematurely sounded off about something that you had no basis in fact or experience for doing so.
Maybe you've ben hanging around with Virginia Postrel too much, but your blog sure is losing its thoughtfulness.>
I got the sense that this applied to the Spanish conquistadores at the end of the film as well. After all, Spain's empire collapsed too.
And doesn't that diseased girl prophesy the coming of the conquistadors in less-than-flattering terms, too?>
Hi, Peter Chattaway: Sorry, I don't remember precisely how the little girl described the coming of the Spanish - could you refresh me? : )
David J. White: Stefanie, I think you kind of missed the point. I was comparing violence in movies *in general* with pornography *in general*.
I don't think I missed the point - I did mention the qualities that I consider "pornographic" in a movie (not just this one) with respect to violence (pointlessness, no relationships, exploitative, fruitless, cruel for its own sake - in retrospect I would add revenge-oriented as well.) To me, movies like "Kill Bill" and some parts of "Sin City" (not all) are pornographic in their depictions of violence by the points I mentioned above.
We were talking about violence vs. sexual pornography *in general*.
As was I, because both violent and sexually pornographic films have a lot in common - which is also why so many of them overlap in subject matter.>
David J. White, IMO I would not call this movie "pornographic" in its depiction of violence. To me pornography implies pointlessness, no relationships, exploitative, fruitless, cruel for its own sake. That is not the case here, as I see it. Also, I don't think the sexual porn analogy fits here because there's no sex in the film at all (although a baby does get born, and that's really cool.)
Stefanie
Stefanie, did you ever see the movie "Affair to Remember" with Gary Grant and Deborah Kerr?
Do you believe the movie would have been better if they'd had more nudity?
The beauty of writing is it paints pictures without the benefit of graphic photography. That should be true with the movies too.
The last movie I saw in a theatre was Saving Private Ryan. The one scene that has stayed with me involved severe violence with minimum gore. I'll bet everyone who reads this and has seen the movie knows exactly the scene I'm referring to.
There's a difference between what stirs the senses and what stirs the mind and soul. Gratuituous violence or sex stirs the senses. Great writing and movie making digs deeper and grabs harder.
We deserve the latter and should demand it.
I doubt that Apacolypto fits in that category. In fact I'd bet on it.>
Rod Dreher's comments on pre-Spanish civilization(s) and the coming of "Christianity" seem ill informed.
These people, while many of them well intentioned Christians (specifically Roman Catholics, were mostly pirates, treasure seekers, mercenaries, and many crypto-Jews. While there certainly was human sacrifice which was wrong, brutal, and evil--this was not present in all of these civilizations at all times. These were not just tribal peoples to be compared to Dancing with Wolves as they had mathematics superior to the west, architicture, astronomy, sanitation, the equivalent of civil engineering, hydraulics etc. As well as advanced (by anthropological standards) religion and government and societal organization.
Tens of millions of indigeneous peoples died after the coming of the men with the boats with the sings of contradiction on the sails. Most from disease and not from massacre but there was plenty of massacre and slavery too.
There were many good things such as Catholic Christianity (especially if it is per se right and true), the written word in the form of the Roman Alphabet, the wheel, the printing press. But also was brought disease, death, destruction, destruction of codices, architcture, art, people, unfair economic and racial systems.
Many times good Catholics do not want to see that which was good in the previous culture(s) (beyond Roman and Greek) and minimize the savagery of some Spanish and Portuguese (and others) as English and Dutch Black Legends. History is mixed and nuanced. The analysis and thought put into this is not worthy of Rod Dreher.>
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