Crunchy Con

There goes that Oscar nomination

Thursday December 7, 2006

"Dreamgirls" star Jennifer Hudson is being buzzed about for what they say is an incredible performance in the upcoming film version of the musical. She might get a Best Actress Oscar, they say. Don't be too sure: in an interview...
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Vichysoise
December 7, 2006 11:20 PM
http://rightwingnytimes.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Hi, my name's Rod. I LOVE thinking about gay people! All that delicious sin. Mmmm mmm good.

Vichysoise>

CourageMan
December 7, 2006 11:50 PM
http://courageman.blogspot.com

But even if Jennifer Hudson DID get an Oscar nomination, she would be unable to attend the ceremony ...

nobody in Hollywood would design a dress for her or be willing to do her hair.>

god_is_in_the_tv
December 7, 2006 11:54 PM

I don't know what the big deal is. Homesexuality *is* a "sin" if one is Judeo-Christian.

People talk about it like it's a *bad* thing to not live up to what God wants.

I'd like to see the hands of everyone here who does.>

trotsky
December 8, 2006 12:03 AM

I'm sorry. Is there some history of Oscar blacklisting with which I'm unfamiliar? Serious question.>

Bruce
December 8, 2006 1:54 AM

Rod, I think Jim Carey said it best
"OBSESS MUCH!">

Daniel
December 8, 2006 2:04 AM

If there's any blacklist she'll be on, it's be the Colorado Springs blacklist where the Cheney family is because they don't denounce your daughter. Nothing there souind homophobic or anti-gay to me, but maybe your gaydar is sharper than mine.>

Daniel
December 8, 2006 2:16 AM

Denounce THEIR daughter.

Seriously, Rod, do you realze that over half of the last 20 posts dealt either with homosexuality or Muslims. What is Crunchy about focusing on gays and Muslims? Why are these issues so important to you?>

harvey lacey
December 8, 2006 2:27 AM
http://www.harveylacey.com

Daniel, go sit in the corner and be quiet.

Rod has given us a forum for our rational and reasonable retorts in a venue usually closed to us, the proud parents, friends, and siblings of homosexuals.

Three things are obvious for anyone wondering.

1. These topics get the hits. It's in Rods best interest to stir up as much interest in his blog as he can. That is understandable and acceptable from my point of view.

2. There are some folks like myself that love to tackle the subject from any angle possible. My first choice is the Biblical one, I'm lazy, character flaw.

3. There are those out there that want to express their feelings and beliefs about the sin of homosexuality. I welcome them with open arms. We are family.

Now tell me, wouldn't you rather read about the pros and cons of homosexuality than the differences between Catholics and the Orthodox?>

Daniel
December 8, 2006 2:34 AM

"Now tell me, wouldn't you rather read about the pros and cons of homosexuality than the differences between Catholics and the Orthodox?"

Lord yes, even though that one eventually turns into a discussion of homosexualy.

BTW, it appears Hudson has clarified her statement Given that she' been giving endless interviews to the gay press, the Pink Mafia isn't likely to stop an Oscar Nomination. The question is whether the Religious Right will organize a boycott of Dreamgirls for some alleged immoral themes.>

watsy
December 8, 2006 2:39 AM

Lots of Christians think that homosexuality is a sin. Many of those same people support gay rights and aren't judgmental of gays. I don't think that she said anything that would make people in Hollywood dislike her.>

harvey lacey
December 8, 2006 2:54 AM
http://www.harveylacey.com

Thank you Daniel for being such a good sport. We need more like you.

I don't really like the church versus church discussions. I feel like a color blind cable splicer. They all look the same. LOL>

B-Dog
December 8, 2006 4:54 AM

I agree with vichy-- Rod is super gay-obsessed. He talks more about gay stuff than Andrew Sullivan!>

teacherkd
December 8, 2006 6:13 AM

I don't think Rod writes about Andrew Sullivan that much...

Seriously, even though I will likely want to throw some invectives at Harvey by the end of this thread, I agree that it is nice to be able to discuss these things from true to time without being labeled a homophobe.

k.>

Rod Dreher
December 8, 2006 11:29 AM

Seriously, Rod, do you realze that over half of the last 20 posts dealt either with homosexuality or Muslims. What is Crunchy about focusing on gays and Muslims? Why are these issues so important to you?

Of the last 20 posts, how many were devoted to which topic?

Church matters: 7
Politics: 3
Children and consumer culture: 2
Baylor: 2
Iraq war: 1
Homosexuality: 3
Islam: 2

And I am the one who's obsessed with these topics?

Look, there's no way to write a blog about the intersection of religion, politics and culture without writing a significant amount about both Islam and homosexuality. They are constantly in the news. The reaction to these phenomenon constitute two major cultural fault lines. That's where the conversation is. The problem, I'd wager, is not that you mind talking about either Islam or homosexuality. The problem is you don't like what I and some readers have to say about either. That's your right, of course, but then again, it's your right not to participate in the exchange. But be aware that we're going to keep talking about this stuff.>

harvey lacey
December 8, 2006 12:22 PM
http://www.harveylacey.com

You're okay Rod. I don't care what they say nor how loud they say it, you're okay. (that's a real life greeting from me. I use it all the time, it's almost a term of endearment, almost) I'm glad you're not going to shrink away from controversy.

teacherkd, I try to keep it on the up and up and not get into name calling. I'll try even harder now.>

anon
December 8, 2006 2:56 PM
http://concrunchy.blogspot.com/

your "church matters" posts had nothing to do with homosexuality? "father plushy" and priestly celibacy? right. you're homo obsessed.>

Discman
December 8, 2006 3:25 PM

If you think Rod's blog is dominated by discussions of religion and sexual politics, just wait till Hudson comes out against G.W. Bush and the Iraq War!

It'll be All Hudson All the Time on this blog.>

The young fogey
December 8, 2006 3:56 PM
http://aconservativesiteforpeace.info

Mainstream society seems more tolerant (that is, nice enough to be patronising) of orthodox Christian faith and views when they come from blacks (thanks to the ripoff of Christian manners and ethics that is political correctness). As awkwardly as she put them her views aren't different from mine. It's a sin but if it doesn't harm me it's none of my business and charity is for all.>

Paul Catalanotto
December 8, 2006 4:18 PM
http://aliveandyoung.blogspot.com/

If you read the blog description you see that the blog is not only about politics but also religion. Islam and homosexuality contain many religious implications.

What is more dangerous are her comments: "No sin is greater or different than the other. To each his own. If it don t bother Jennifer, then Jennifer don t mind. I don t really even think about it because I don t believe in judging people for what they do. is that it is dripping in moral relativism.

Relativisim, Blah. When are people gonna lean that it doesn't work. To each his own -- until it has an effect upon me. Blah.>

Nick the Greek
December 8, 2006 4:35 PM

According to today's Studio Briefing on imdb.com, Hudson has reacted angrily to the "slur" that she called homosexuality a sin.>

joe perez
December 8, 2006 4:46 PM
http://until.joe-perez.com

Poor, poor persecuted Christian>

IBreakCellPhones
December 8, 2006 5:40 PM

On the "equality" of sins:

I've thought about it like this. Our sinful nature puts us miles and miles from God. A small (venial?) sin puts us an inch further away, a serious (mortal?) sin puts us another foot away. In terms of relative distance, we're still miles and miles away, needing Christ to bridge the gap.

Is that an accurate analogy to Catholic belief regarding mortal and venial sin? Do the Orthodox have similar beliefs?>

B-Dog
December 8, 2006 6:48 PM

Sorry, the second sentence in my post before should have read: "He talks more about gay stuff than Andrew Sullivan does!" Make more sense?>

B-Dog
December 8, 2006 6:50 PM

Rod's awfully defensive today, isn't he?>

gadje
December 8, 2006 7:12 PM

If hollywood is the new babylon, then why would any christians be angry that a christian actor has been blacklisted by the academy for their beliefs... isn't this sort of "cross to bear" that any christian would love? Yes? Then why complain?
Ah, its all part of the dance.>

god-is-in-the-tv
December 8, 2006 7:19 PM

Relativisim, Blah. When are people gonna lean that it doesn't work. To each his own -- until it has an effect upon me

Yes - how horrible it would be if we all minded our own business until something actually affected us.>

Vichyssoise
December 8, 2006 8:07 PM
http://rightwingnytimes.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Yes - how horrible it would be if we all minded our own business until something actually affected us.

But you have to admit, GIITTV, this doesn't always apply. What about the old "first they came for the Jews" saw?

I agree though -- homosexuality is never going to affect non-gays and Christians unless it irritates them to death.>

Mike
December 8, 2006 8:18 PM

IBreakCellPhones-

Not really an accurate analogy regarding Catholic theology of mortal and venial sin.

Traditional Catholic theology teaches that venial sin "separates" us from God, impairs our relationship with him, and could potentially lead to serious sin. Those in venial sin may receive communion without confessing these sins, and are still considered "in a state of grace." To put it bluntly and crudely, if you die with venial sins on your soul, you go to heaven (albeit after burning these sins off in Purgatory).

Mortal sin, on the other hand, not only separates the sinner, but severs his or her relationship with God. You can't receive communion until you confess them, and if you die with a single unconfessed mortal sin on your soul, you go straight to hell (to put it bluntly and simply).

I am sure the Orthodox approach is less legalistic about this stuff, but essentially similar.

I have heard Billy Graham say something similar to "all sins are equal," so perhaps this is an evangelical/Baptist theological viewpoint. Since there is no confession or Eucharist, the distinctions between sins are less important.>

Kit Stolz
December 8, 2006 8:19 PM
www.achangeinthewind.com

Don't count on it, Rod. Hollywood cares much more about performance--in all senses of the word--than personal opinions. As it should.>

Sarah (Mrs. Irani)
December 8, 2006 8:26 PM
www.shempel.blogspot.com

Yes - how horrible it would be if we all minded our own business until something actually affected us.

There is some myth running around out there about all of us being islands and the stuff that other people do doesn't affect us. Well, it does.

For example, person x sleeping with his girlfriend doesn't affect me per se, but 2 million people sleeping with their girlfriends makes it a whole hell of a lot harder for me to be chaste AND even harder to teach chastity to my children.

We're all in this together, folks.>

James Kabala
December 8, 2006 10:03 PM

We should probably wait for the persecution to actually happen before we get worked up about it. The guy on Gray's Anatomy who used anti-gay slurs (and without any Christian motives, as far as we know) seems, despite early rumors of imminent firing, to have had his career recover.>

sion
December 9, 2006 12:37 PM

I learn more about being/acting Christian in these pages than I do in any theology class, research project or bible study. Crunchy Con and all who participate is truly an embarrassment of riches. Vunderbar. :)>

god_is_in_the_tv
December 9, 2006 4:32 PM

For example, person x sleeping with his girlfriend doesn't affect me per se, but 2 million people sleeping with their girlfriends makes it a whole hell of a lot harder for me to be chaste AND even harder to teach chastity to my children.


No one ever promised you it would be easy - and pardon me for asking, but what does *your* choice to breed have to do with anyone else?

Why are others forced to shoulder the responsibility for your willingness to produce offspring?>

RB
December 9, 2006 8:01 PM

Mike - "all sins are equal" isn't a Protestant viewpoint. It's a Scriptural one.
James 2:10 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.">

god-is-in-the-tv
December 9, 2006 10:57 PM

Then it sure is a good thing we're not under the law anymore since Jesus's sacrifice, huh?>

Mike
December 10, 2006 4:32 PM

RB- THe doctrine of venial and mortal sin is entirely scriptural.

1 John 5:16-17: "If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. "

Both Orthodox and Catholics have held to the doctrine of the differentiation of levels of sin for 2,000 years.>

god_is_in_the_tv
December 10, 2006 9:29 PM

Well, I certianly won't debate the point. Just know there's plent of folks that don't look at personal correspondence as "Scripture.">

David J. White
December 11, 2006 8:49 PM

Do you regard collections of correspondence as literature? If not, why not? There are are least a couple millennia of precedence for regarding a person's collected letters as literature -- Cicero's letters, Pliny's letters, Lord Chesterfield's letters to his son, etc., etc.>

curiouser and curiouser...
December 21, 2006 9:15 PM

Sarah (Mrs. Irani),

"There is some myth running around out there about all of us being islands and the stuff that other people do doesn't affect us. Well, it does.

For example, person x sleeping with his girlfriend doesn't affect me per se, but 2 million people sleeping with their girlfriends makes it a whole hell of a lot harder for me to be chaste AND even harder to teach chastity to my children."

In Parenting 101, you'd learn to tell your child "If 2 million people ran off a cliff, it still wouldn't make it right." You DID take that class, no?

I think ya oughta have to get a license to have children. I really do.>

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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