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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright

Tuesday December 19, 2006

This is a pretty neat animated video about Intelligent Design. Still, you think about Blake's tyger, and you wonder...

(In case you wonder, I believe God created life on earth, but it doesn't bother me to think He did it through some evolutionary process.)
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Derek Copold
December 21, 2006 12:31 AM

Stefanie,

I understand the discoveries that have happened since Darwin published Origin. The deviations you're talking about are really rather minor compared to the principal idea he came up with: natural selection being the mechanism by which life changes. Although a lot of science has passed by since the 1800s, he is still consulted as source, which is rather remarkable.

At any rate, even if you are right, that's really not a response to my argument. Issues, like the ones you cited depend on interpretations, and you have to decide which interpretation you're going to go with.

To me, a science class in public school has an obligation to present the current science of the day as accurately as possible, in a way commensurate with the students' age and understanding.

Well, that's demands decisions which will be made, ultimately, at a political level.

As far as not injecting religious opinions, I've no objection to it myself. But you can't deny the right of others to lobby for their position on one hand, and then boast of being a free-spirited democracy on the other, especially not when you rely solely on the courts to do your battles.

Look at the results of this. Sure, ID and other theories are forbidden in the classroom, and have been for decades, but a large proportion of Americans still doubt evolution. Many simply do not understand it. Perhaps those concerned about evolution and other science matters would be better off focusing on teaching and explaining the science itself, and convincing people, instead of depending on the nearest judge to hand it down by judicial fiat.>

William Blake
December 21, 2006 5:32 PM

Now listen, you *bleep*, if you call me a crypto Arian one more time, I'll sock you in the face.>

Joel
December 21, 2006 5:41 PM

Derek, of course everyone has a moral right to voice their opinions. Even morons and bigots have this right. But not everyone has the right to have their opinions taken seriously, particularly by scientists. If a community of creationists insists that their public school teach creationism, that is their decision. And when their kids grow up completely ignorant of how the natural world actually works, when they are denied admission to any colleges except Bible colleges, when they can't get jobs except within the creationist ghetto, they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Is this really what you are arguing for? It is, I repeat, within your right to believe this and advocate for it. But it is not good.>

Matt
December 21, 2006 5:53 PM

Derek,

I have no problem with people lobbying for teaching ID in schools, but the concept of ID goes completely against science.

ID makes extraordinary claims about the origin and development of life on earth yet fails, time and again, to present extraordinary supporting evidence. This does not make it a theory, much less a theory competing with evolution.

I believe a large of part of ID's success is based on incredible ignorance of evolution and how it works. The President think "both sides" should be heard in schools. But there aren't two sides. ID doesn't have a side. ID doesn't have a single shred of evidence supporting any of its claims.

Refering back to your comments about my original post, I did intend to separate young earthers and proponents of ID. Yet, strip away the semantics, both of these groups push a notion without presenting evidence and expect it to be treated as fact.>

Matt
December 21, 2006 5:58 PM

Derek,

Why not also to teach astrology in schools? Alchemy? Why not push for teaching every pseudo-scientific notion that has plagued our species througout history? If I can get enough people to believe the sun revolves around the Earth, why not teach that alternative theory? Shouldn't the children hear both sides of the orbital revolution debate?>

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