This press release flopped over the transom just now. If this is not a joke, clearly KFC has decided to give up good taste for Lent. "Modern Take on 'Loaves and Fishes'" -- good grief!:KFC Appeals to Higher Authority by...
What next? Hostess brand hosts? Stanley brand ecclastical mitre? Dassani baptismal font? Whatever pays the legal bills. Kim M
Richard Barrett
February 21, 2007 9:26 PM
http://web.mac.com/richard_barrett
Don't forget the best pseudo-brand from "Dogma"--"Hosties" cereal! Richard
Christine
February 21, 2007 9:32 PM
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I am absolutely outraged at KFC's gall and am going to send them an e-mail about it.
ocho
February 21, 2007 9:54 PM
ochobl.blogspot.com
perhaps peta has been right about kfc all along
tmatt
February 21, 2007 9:54 PM
www.getreligion.org
Hey, is it true that in Greece the McDonald's have an entire menu they roll out called "McLent"? At times I kind of wish for some options like that at lunch!
Joey
February 21, 2007 10:19 PM
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I'm not Catholic, so maybe that's why this doesn't strike me so much blasphemous as...silly. Actually, this reminds me of one of B-net's Jokes of the Day. As a marketing campaign, KFC tries to convince the Pope to officially change the Eucharist from bread and wine to chicken and Coke. They offer a million dollars; the Pope turns it down. $500,000; turns it down. 1 billion; the Pope accepts. He then goes to the College of Cardinals and says, "Well, the good news is, I got us some money; bad news, we lost the Wonderbread account." I assume this whole thing is a joke. Or hope. God bless.
Rob Grano
February 21, 2007 10:20 PM
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We've had the fish snackers in our area KFC's for quite awhile; they're not bad, but Burger King, IMO, has the best fast-food fish sandwich. Still KFC's attitude is a tad galling -- someone should write them a letter, if only for the halibut. (sorry--couldn't resist).
Richard Barrett
February 21, 2007 10:27 PM
http://web.mac.com/richard_barrett
The sheer corporate greed just makes me green around the gills. Still, they must have done some market research--taken a pole, perhaps? Still, perhaps we should realize that we're just being baited. The best way to make sure this fails is to refuse to be reeled in. Now that we're at the tail end here I just have to say sorry, chum... sometimes I just get hooked on these, don't quite realize the scale of what I'm doing, and have to kipper going. Fin.
Richard Barrett
February 21, 2007 10:30 PM
http://web.mac.com/richard_barrett
(Pray you never post anything about dairy products. My friends--both of them---can keep you abreast of how long I can milk that topic for cheesy puns before getting creamed. It's an udder topic that just keeps me going, so butter not try.)
Richard Barrett
February 21, 2007 10:30 PM
http://web.mac.com/richard_barrett
(Pray you never post anything about dairy products. My friends--both of them---can keep you abreast of how long I can milk that topic for cheesy puns before getting creamed. It's an udder topic that just keeps me going, so butter not try.)
Mark Moore
February 21, 2007 10:46 PM
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Richard, well done, thanks, I haven't laughed so loudly in a while.
TheManFromKStreet
February 21, 2007 10:51 PM
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This is so nothing new. Papal blessings for capitalistic fish-marketing schemes at Lent? See "League, Hanseatic". Funny pronouncements on appropriate Lenten fare from the Holy See? See "Capybara" and "Tail, Beaver".
seejanemom
February 21, 2007 10:52 PM
http://www.seejanemom.com
Kim M. Don;t laugh...my son was Christened in a Colonial chapel with not electricity or running water. The priest had done it a few times at this remote site and showed up with a bottle of Aquafina. We thought he was thirsty until he started praying over it. He puored it in the font and said (NO joke) "Let's roll!"... so I have been brend loyal ever since. We sent a photo to Coke in Atlanta...we hope they'll use it in an ad some day...bad taste? Maybe. heeheehee... The fish snacker thing....agreed...completely untoward...
Rod Dreher
February 21, 2007 11:04 PM
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I don't think it's blasphemous, exactly, just in poor taste.
Bruce
February 21, 2007 11:10 PM
http://7leper.blogspot.com
I dunno, I like the idea of restaurants creating lenten menus. In Russia, even the finest restaurants offer vegan items during Lent. If we had that here, it would make going out to eat a little easier.
Caroline
February 21, 2007 11:34 PM
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If the Pope actually hears about this, I think he'll get a laugh out of it.
kevin s.
February 22, 2007 12:25 AM
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This is on Yahoo!, which means its on the wire, so joke, or no joke, it's out there. I do know this. People who write press releases do get awfully bored, and KFC's marketing people are even more tone deaf than McDonalds. Remember the "healthy" fried chicken ads? I mean, how hard can it be to market fried chicken? It's chicken, it's fried. Here's you ad slogan "You like fried chicken right? Of course you do. Come get some."
EM
February 22, 2007 12:43 AM
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Hmm... it looks like this PR staff has a job on Saturday Night Live with unfunny, lame skits. KFC knows it's not going to get a papal approval, but it will get them headlines in blogs and other media outlets. So their mission is accomplished.
Mike
February 22, 2007 8:51 AM
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At least they bothered to think about us... well, at least the marketing crew. Thanks KFC, Colonel... now if you would only treat your animals better, I'd feel Kosher about eating your food.
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February 22, 2007 9:12 AM
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Is the Colonel going for Chaplain General or something? Perhaps KFC's gonna put a new spin on the accounts of Jesus feeding the crowd with a few loaves and a few fish. With KFC Fish Snackers at only 99 cents each, He cudda fed the whole crowd on the Mount for only a couple hundred bucks... Lord fogive them - even if they know what they do... .
Aaron
February 22, 2007 2:09 PM
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And then what, pop in a Testamint to freshen your breath afterwards?
Christine
February 22, 2007 2:51 PM
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Pope Benedict has already written about how animals, even those used for food, deserve to be respected as God's creatures and therefor treated humanely. That means no chickens locked up in those horrible cramped cages where they can't even spread their wings. KFC, are you listening?
NightLad
February 22, 2007 3:29 PM
http://www.WitchVox.com
For those concerned with the conditions chickens are kept; Do you think it would be better to let them roam wild and free on reservations until its time to cut off their heads for the supper table? A commercially raised chicken has a life-span of 90 days from hatch to slaughter. I d not suggest that the conditions they are kept in are nice , but economically speaking, unless you want to pay $50 per chicken, there is little choice. Like it or not Chicken and other forms of quick meat form the staple diet of many people around the world. We are not yet at a point where we can support a fully vegetarian society; socially, technologically nor financially. As it is, the only vegetarians (and vegans) I know are able to afford the exorbitant prices of imported and specialty foods to supplement their meatless diets. I don t think your average family of 4 could afford it, certainly not in America. (More so vegans than vegetarians.) So for now, the chickens, turkeys and pigs stay. Having said that, I do not eat beef (since I was 13) nor seafood (ever) and I adhere to a largely vegetarian diet - not out of moral or religious convictions, but simply for personal health concerns. I d rather eat cardboard before slathering my intestines and arteries with greasy KFC, and the smell/taste of seafood (fish, lobster, seaweed, oysters, etc.) makes me want to vomit.
Rod Dreher
February 22, 2007 3:34 PM
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Do you think it would be better to let them roam wild and free on reservations until its time to cut off their heads for the supper table? A commercially raised chicken has a life-span of 90 days from hatch to slaughter. I d not suggest that the conditions they are kept in are nice , but economically speaking, unless you want to pay $50 per chicken, there is little choice. That's not true, the $50 a chicken business. You can buy delicious birds raised by local farmers around Dallas, humanely, for about 1/3 to 1/2 more than factory-farmed chickens at the supermarkets.
chuck
February 22, 2007 4:01 PM
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One of my family's greatest pleasures was the annual Good Friday Steak Dinner which we had at a local restaurant while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did. Ain't theological disputations wunnerful?
NightLad
February 22, 2007 4:15 PM
http://www.WitchVox.com
Rod Dreher My cousins live in the country and can get free-range chickens for practically nothing by walking down the road to a neighbor s farm. However, if you were to try to implement a free-range chicken program on a massive scale, capable of supporting the entire chicken industry, the space needs alone would drive costs through the roof. That is what I meant with the $50 per chicken comment. Just trying to import cage-farmed birds to the big cities (in which I live) raises the costs by quite a bit.
Christine
February 22, 2007 4:41 PM
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The huge agribusiness complexes that raise animals for food are billion dollar entities who. The whole problem with western ways of eating are that we build a meal around the meat, instead of doing it the other way around. Instead of emphasizing more fruits, grains and vegetables with a small amount of meat we build more and more food outlets that give us faster and fatladen chicken, beef, etc. Meat still has a status in the west that it doesn't deserve. So let's have less of it, pay a little more for it if we want it, and in the long run be healthier, more humane and environmentally minded. Those huge hog farms are ruining our waterways and the amount of water used by agribusiness to raise animals is phenomenal.
Christine
February 22, 2007 4:42 PM
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Oops, didn't mean to add that "who" after "entities".
Joe Marier
February 22, 2007 4:59 PM
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It's nothing new. Seth Godin pointed out that part of what made Crisco a huge product was the fact that it was declared a great step forward for Jewish cuisine by an influential rabbi. And Crisco was only invented it to get a corner on the cottonseed oil market. Good for KFC to add fish to their menu.
Christine
February 22, 2007 5:13 PM
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"while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did." This vegetarian Roman Catholic wouldn't have envied you one bit.
Don Kenner
February 22, 2007 5:17 PM
www.catholicfriendsofisrael.com
People always moan about how much it will cost if we don't have industrial food plants, spinach from 1200 miles away (soaked in chemicals), and -- most important of all -- a deluge of illegal immigrant labor to keep the price of lettuce from going up to a thousand dollars a head. So silly. You wonder how Americans fed themselves before
Christine
February 22, 2007 5:33 PM
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Good points, Don, and as recent history has shown under the giant agribusiness models we have had more and more recalls of tainted food. I never once recall when I was growing up hearing of anyone infected with mad cow disease because some fool producer fed ground animal parts to an herbivorous species.
David J. White
February 22, 2007 5:52 PM
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One of my family's greatest pleasures was the annual Good Friday Steak Dinner which we had at a local restaurant while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did. Ain't theological disputations wunnerful? chuck | 02.22.07 - 11:06 am | # Actually, things like that were an important part of my spiritual formation as a kid -- we who have been blessed with the gift of faith, are observing these dietary restrictions as a sign of our faith and our devotion to God. The poor benighted heathens at the next table might be enjoying their steak now, but they won't be laughing so hard in Hell. So don't assume the Catholics at the next table were miserable, Chuck. They just might have been laughing at *you*.
Max Schadenfreude
February 23, 2007 12:54 AM
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I guess Ruth's Chris Steak House is out till after Easter.
Simon
February 23, 2007 1:53 AM
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As a Catholic, this KFC story just strikes me as funny. It's certainly nothing "blasphemous" as some here have suggested. If anything, I'm glad they offer a fish option for Lent, but I don't see any cause to get worked up about this at all.
Anonymous Also
February 23, 2007 2:46 AM
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I've ate both snackers, and couldn't even tell which was which, because they just throw 'em in the same oil it seems. I make better ones at home.
CrackerLilo
February 23, 2007 3:36 AM
http://crackerlilo.blogspot.com
But Rod, it's Finger Lenten Good!
Anonymous Also
February 23, 2007 10:51 AM
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Oh, and Rob Grano's right -- Burger King does have the best fish sandwiches.
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What next? Hostess brand hosts? Stanley brand ecclastical mitre? Dassani baptismal font? Whatever pays the legal bills. Kim M
Don't forget the best pseudo-brand from "Dogma"--"Hosties" cereal! Richard
I am absolutely outraged at KFC's gall and am going to send them an e-mail about it.
perhaps peta has been right about kfc all along
Hey, is it true that in Greece the McDonald's have an entire menu they roll out called "McLent"?
At times I kind of wish for some options like that at lunch!
I'm not Catholic, so maybe that's why this doesn't strike me so much blasphemous as...silly.
Actually, this reminds me of one of B-net's Jokes of the Day. As a marketing campaign, KFC tries to convince the Pope to officially change the Eucharist from bread and wine to chicken and Coke. They offer a million dollars; the Pope turns it down. $500,000; turns it down. 1 billion; the Pope accepts. He then goes to the College of Cardinals and says, "Well, the good news is, I got us some money; bad news, we lost the Wonderbread account." I assume this whole thing is a joke. Or hope. God bless.
We've had the fish snackers in our area KFC's for quite awhile; they're not bad, but Burger King, IMO, has the best fast-food fish sandwich. Still KFC's attitude is a tad galling -- someone should write them a letter, if only for the halibut. (sorry--couldn't resist).
The sheer corporate greed just makes me green around the gills.
Still, they must have done some market research--taken a pole, perhaps? Still, perhaps we should realize that we're just being baited. The best way to make sure this fails is to refuse to be reeled in. Now that we're at the tail end here I just have to say sorry, chum... sometimes I just get hooked on these, don't quite realize the scale of what I'm doing, and have to kipper going. Fin.
(Pray you never post anything about dairy products. My friends--both of them---can keep you abreast of how long I can milk that topic for cheesy puns before getting creamed. It's an udder topic that just keeps me going, so butter not try.)
(Pray you never post anything about dairy products. My friends--both of them---can keep you abreast of how long I can milk that topic for cheesy puns before getting creamed. It's an udder topic that just keeps me going, so butter not try.)
Richard, well done, thanks, I haven't laughed so loudly in a while.
This is so nothing new.
Papal blessings for capitalistic fish-marketing schemes at Lent? See "League, Hanseatic". Funny pronouncements on appropriate Lenten fare from the Holy See? See "Capybara" and "Tail, Beaver".
Kim M.
Don;t laugh...my son was Christened in a Colonial chapel with not electricity or running water. The priest had done it a few times at this remote site and showed up with a bottle of Aquafina. We thought he was thirsty until he started praying over it. He puored it in the font and said (NO joke) "Let's roll!"... so I have been brend loyal ever since. We sent a photo to Coke in Atlanta...we hope they'll use it in an ad some day...bad taste? Maybe. heeheehee... The fish snacker thing....agreed...completely untoward...
I don't think it's blasphemous, exactly, just in poor taste.
I dunno, I like the idea of restaurants creating lenten menus. In Russia, even the finest restaurants offer vegan items during Lent. If we had that here, it would make going out to eat a little easier.
If the Pope actually hears about this, I think he'll get a laugh out of it.
This is on Yahoo!, which means its on the wire, so joke, or no joke, it's out there.
I do know this. People who write press releases do get awfully bored, and KFC's marketing people are even more tone deaf than McDonalds. Remember the "healthy" fried chicken ads?
I mean, how hard can it be to market fried chicken? It's chicken, it's fried. Here's you ad slogan "You like fried chicken right? Of course you do. Come get some."
Hmm... it looks like this PR staff has a job on Saturday Night Live with unfunny, lame skits. KFC knows it's not going to get a papal approval, but it will get them headlines in blogs and other media outlets. So their mission is accomplished.
At least they bothered to think about us... well, at least the marketing crew. Thanks KFC, Colonel... now if you would only treat your animals better, I'd feel Kosher about eating your food.
Is the Colonel going for Chaplain General or something? Perhaps KFC's gonna put a new spin on the accounts of Jesus feeding the crowd with a few loaves and a few fish. With KFC Fish Snackers at only 99 cents each, He cudda fed the whole crowd on the Mount for only a couple hundred bucks... Lord fogive them - even if they know what they do... .
And then what, pop in a Testamint to freshen your breath afterwards?
Pope Benedict has already written about how animals, even those used for food, deserve to be respected as God's creatures and therefor treated humanely. That means no chickens locked up in those horrible cramped cages where they can't even spread their wings. KFC, are you listening?
For those concerned with the conditions chickens are kept; Do you think it would be better to let them roam wild and free on reservations until its time to cut off their heads for the supper table? A commercially raised chicken has a life-span of 90 days from hatch to slaughter. I d not suggest that the conditions they are kept in are nice , but economically speaking, unless you want to pay $50 per chicken, there is little choice. Like it or not Chicken and other forms of quick meat form the staple diet of many people around the world. We are not yet at a point where we can support a fully vegetarian society; socially, technologically nor financially. As it is, the only vegetarians (and vegans) I know are able to afford the exorbitant prices of imported and specialty foods to supplement their meatless diets. I don t think your average family of 4 could afford it, certainly not in America. (More so vegans than vegetarians.) So for now, the chickens, turkeys and pigs stay. Having said that, I do not eat beef (since I was 13) nor seafood (ever) and I adhere to a largely vegetarian diet - not out of moral or religious convictions, but simply for personal health concerns. I d rather eat cardboard before slathering my intestines and arteries with greasy KFC, and the smell/taste of seafood (fish, lobster, seaweed, oysters, etc.) makes me want to vomit.
Do you think it would be better to let them roam wild and free on reservations until its time to cut off their heads for the supper table? A commercially raised chicken has a life-span of 90 days from hatch to slaughter. I d not suggest that the conditions they are kept in are nice , but economically speaking, unless you want to pay $50 per chicken, there is little choice. That's not true, the $50 a chicken business. You can buy delicious birds raised by local farmers around Dallas, humanely, for about 1/3 to 1/2 more than factory-farmed chickens at the supermarkets.
One of my family's greatest pleasures was the annual Good Friday Steak Dinner which we had at a local restaurant while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did. Ain't theological disputations wunnerful?
Rod Dreher My cousins live in the country and can get free-range chickens for practically nothing by walking down the road to a neighbor s farm. However, if you were to try to implement a free-range chicken program on a massive scale, capable of supporting the entire chicken industry, the space needs alone would drive costs through the roof. That is what I meant with the $50 per chicken comment. Just trying to import cage-farmed birds to the big cities (in which I live) raises the costs by quite a bit.
The huge agribusiness complexes that raise animals for food are billion dollar entities who. The whole problem with western ways of eating are that we build a meal around the meat, instead of doing it the other way around. Instead of emphasizing more fruits, grains and vegetables with a small amount of meat we build more and more food outlets that give us faster and fatladen chicken, beef, etc. Meat still has a status in the west that it doesn't deserve. So let's have less of it, pay a little more for it if we want it, and in the long run be healthier, more humane and environmentally minded. Those huge hog farms are ruining our waterways and the amount of water used by agribusiness to raise animals is phenomenal.
Oops, didn't mean to add that "who" after "entities".
It's nothing new. Seth Godin pointed out that part of what made Crisco a huge product was the fact that it was declared a great step forward for Jewish cuisine by an influential rabbi. And Crisco was only invented it to get a corner on the cottonseed oil market. Good for KFC to add fish to their menu.
"while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did." This vegetarian Roman Catholic wouldn't have envied you one bit.
People always moan about how much it will cost if we don't have industrial food plants, spinach from 1200 miles away (soaked in chemicals), and -- most important of all -- a deluge of illegal immigrant labor to keep the price of lettuce from going up to a thousand dollars a head. So silly. You wonder how Americans fed themselves before
Good points, Don, and as recent history has shown under the giant agribusiness models we have had more and more recalls of tainted food. I never once recall when I was growing up hearing of anyone infected with mad cow disease because some fool producer fed ground animal parts to an herbivorous species.
One of my family's greatest pleasures was the annual Good Friday Steak Dinner which we had at a local restaurant while the Roman Catholics miserably ate their fish and had to try to explain to their children who wanted a hamburger why they couldn't have meat while a whole table next to them did. Ain't theological disputations wunnerful? chuck | 02.22.07 - 11:06 am | # Actually, things like that were an important part of my spiritual formation as a kid -- we who have been blessed with the gift of faith, are observing these dietary restrictions as a sign of our faith and our devotion to God. The poor benighted heathens at the next table might be enjoying their steak now, but they won't be laughing so hard in Hell. So don't assume the Catholics at the next table were miserable, Chuck. They just might have been laughing at *you*.
I guess Ruth's Chris Steak House is out till after Easter.
As a Catholic, this KFC story just strikes me as funny. It's certainly nothing "blasphemous" as some here have suggested. If anything, I'm glad they offer a fish option for Lent, but I don't see any cause to get worked up about this at all.
I've ate both snackers, and couldn't even tell which was which, because they just throw 'em in the same oil it seems. I make better ones at home.
But Rod, it's Finger Lenten Good!
Oh, and Rob Grano's right -- Burger King does have the best fish sandwiches.
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