Crunchy Con

Are we an evil nation?

Thursday February 15, 2007

Two days after the 9/11 attacks, Jerry Falwell went on Pat Robertson's program and suggested that God allowed them to happen because of gays, lesbians, abortionists, the ACLU and others. Robertson agreed. Falwell also said:

And with biological warfare available to these monsters; the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats, what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, if in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.


I recall at the time being so completely overcome by anger at them for this, and wrote a regrettably intemperate column denouncing them. Now, I've got mixed feelings.

I thought about them the other day reading Bruce Bawer's review of Dinesh D'Souza's book. Bawer says that D'Souza, by claiming that America's wickedness brought the 9/11 attacks upon us by inflaming the Muslim world, is not only wrong, but guilty of treason. I think D'Souza is mistaken, but it's going too far to call him treasonous. In fact, as uncomfortable as it is to contemplate, no Christian or Jew can rule out the possibility that God will judge America, and judge it harshly. And perhaps is judging America. The Bible, particularly the books of the prophets, are full of examples of God calling Israel to repentance, and bringing her to ruin when she refused. That God used the Babylonians as an instrument of chastisement does not imply that He endorsed the Babylonian Way of Life.

Jim Kunstler, the "Geography of Nowhere" writer, in a speech delivered not long after the Columbine massacre, said:

I often joke that we are a wicked people who deserve to be punished. But the joke is, it’s no joke. I believe it with all my heart. I also often remark in my public utterances that when we succeed in creating enough places that are not worth caring about, that we will succeed in becoming a nation that is not worth defending, and a way of life that is not worth carrying on. We are guilty of foreclosing our own future, and we are evil because we don’t care.


I doubt Kunstler is any sort of theist, but he's talking about the same sort of things as those who adhere to the prophetic tradition are: that America is bringing judgment upon itself by its refusal to repent. Falwell has his list of the sins America is guilty of; the secular left has its own. And there is surely truth in both assessments. I believe strongly that God is furious at abortionists. I don't know why the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be any less furious at conservative business tycoons who grind the face of the poor.

When Bush 41 said "The American way of life is not up for negotiation," he was expressing what I think many conservatives (and liberals too) believe: that we Americans are not under anyone's judgment. From a Christian point of view, that's dangerous and wrong. We are under judgment. Humanity is. There is always reason to repent. That doesn't mean that we should become masochistic, blame-America-first self-loathers; that would be pathological. But it's also true that as we fight justly to defend ourselves, that we consider the things we oughtn't to have done that we have done, and the things we ought to have done that we've left undone, and get about the business of repentance, both personal and corporate. God is patient, but He won't wait forever. Something to think about on the eve of Lent.
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Max Schadenfreude
February 19, 2007 4:55 PM
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"We all got it comin' kid." -William Munny; "Unforgiven"

Rob Grano
February 19, 2007 9:16 PM
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'Since the "wages of sin is death," and "all have sinned," death, any death, is the consequence (judgement) of our Fallen Nature.' I'm hesitant to call our nature 'fallen,' (persons fall, not natures) but even if this is the case, how does this relate to what Scott and I said above? I don't see the correlation.

Nick J.
February 19, 2007 9:44 PM
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Of course, rather than wonder about who God is or isn't punishing for wickedness, maybe Rod and company should concentrate on tending to the needy, comforting the greiving, aiding those who suffer and suchlike. Jesus seemed to think that was what mattered, afterall.

Dave G
February 20, 2007 2:59 PM
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Rich's comments on "American Exceptionalism" from Feb 16 are terrific. If you missed them in this enormous thread, please go back a re-read them. Then think how much smaller this thread should be. Dave

bigboyron
February 20, 2007 8:17 PM
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All of the comments are good for discussion, yet you fail to address the basic question "what doctrine governs the intent of your heart and the resulting conduct". Whether this influence is GOD or man, you are submissive to one or the other. By one's chioces in life they submit to a way of life governed by a set of laws, statues and judgements. It is eviedent by history that man is always driven to seek, except and worship some type of all powerful figure. When we where young our parents were our gods until we matured to a better understanding with more life experiences to mix in the decidsion making process of determining who our god would be.
I choose the GOD of Abraham and thruogh study, the good and hard times have accepted his word and truth, even though man has tried to twist it. I work every day to keep my vows and conduct in line with his truth.
We all have to make a choice because there is no fence to sit on. It's a chioce of life or death thruogh some being's judgement. In the end we will all be judge by highest word whether we believe or not. Peace;

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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