Educating tomorrow's leaders

I wonder what you propose we do to stop the spread of jihadist indoctrination: you think "Wilsonianism" is bad, we get that. What then do you support? Derb suggests that one of the few options available is the, um, "g-word." Do you support that? Or should we just try to contain jihad economically, politically, culturally, and demographically? Shall we deport the imams back to where they came from? "Generational war," "muscular foreign policy," we understand you want these things, but, gosh, you remain quite vague.

To date...not ONE of the sons of the Jihadist's or Immam's TEACHING all the little kids to blow themselves up for Allah,, have done so.
No Imam has either. They send their kids to Los Angeles for college, while they teach the poor slobs stuck at home to fight Jihad for Allah. Pure exploitation of poorly educated fools, sending them off to die for THEIR cause, that empowers THEM, and keeps the poor masses in subjegation. Satan himself couldn't have created a better religion...or maybe he has?

A note on context: Part of Muslim eschatology involves Jesus (regarded as a prophet) returning to earth to kill all pigs. Hmm. Also, www.teachkidspeace.org/ has an online petition for stopping this kind of teaching in Palestinian schools, though I don't know enough to say how effective they are. God bless.

The Crunchy Con (CC) laments what he sees as the big problem of Palestinian textbooks reflecting their reality instead of his. If that is a problem then consider the one caused by the educational field trip Israel has imposed on the Pals for the last four decades by holding them captives in or exiled abroad from the land of their births. Predictably, CC sees Pals as the victims of their terrorist selves with the real victims being the long suffering Israeli ethnic cleansers who are forced to hold the Pals in S. African style apartheid. This is the typical world-class cynical hypocrisy of willing enablers. CC's sympathies for the Pals would not pass the laugh test of creditability except among the usual necon, ditto head, Zionist and Christian Zionist suspects.
While CC points to his red herring list of textbooks provided by other serial enablers for the continued injustice that Israel alone is responsible, the honorable President Carter has displayed the moral right stuff. He courageously pinned the apartheid tail on Israel's rotten to the core scheme of apartheid in the world s oldest and largest concentration camps since WWII. Seems the CC is perfectly content with Israel following the same path as the good but silent Germans before them who enabled their infamous leader's pursuit of manifest destiny dreams over lands they occupied for lebenstraum. That is a really ugly comparison indeed but isn't that really what the ongoing Israeli state sponsored settlement activity in the occupied territories and the defacto apartheid scheme to protect the settlements is really all about?
Education is the big problem? The CC has his own education problem that has the distinctive ring of pavlovian pro Israel anti Pal/Muslim agitprop.

Fortress Europe, Fortress America. Birthrates in some places of Europe, by the way, are rebounding (France, of all places -- didn't Rod do a post on that?), and governments are encouraging women to have more babies -- time off, etc. Regardless of the discomfort I feel at socialist governments determining population levels through fiscal policy, people in Europe are seeing it as an issue. I don't think we should remove all Turks from Germany, for instance, but I do think western countries should indeed deport any non-citizen who advocates or supports jihad, violence, etc.
For instance, I saw one of the Danish Cartoon protestors in Britain carrying a sign that said "To Hell with Freedom of Expression." OK, since he doesn't see the irony, we'll follow through on that and kick his bloddy arse out.

Watsy, Marc Watsy, I appreciate your comments. I was reacting to the blame the victim mentality so popular with Israel s so called friends. Waving the old bloody flag of savagery by native peoples is lame. The history of terrorism is that it is usually a reaction by the oppressed while under the heel of their oppressors. It seems to stop when the oppression ends. America has been down this sorry road before with Native Americans and we should know better that be a party to someone else s latter day injustice to other native peoples.
Ranking the relative merits of old and new injustices seems pointless. All are worthy of condemnation. European Jews suffered a grave injustice that was resolved by the defeat of Germany and the Nuremberg trials. How it happened is a cautionary tale about ignoring injustice. Nazi agitprop conditioned Germans to deny the humanity of Jews and then their lives. Marc, you seem very will conditioned to abandon the Pals as easily as the Germans abandoned Jews. That said I fail to see the relevance of the injustice the Jews suffered in Europe and the Israel holding Pals in the dehumanizing captivity of apartheid. Surely you are not suggesting that because the Holocaust happened, Israel is entitled to be above criticism for their everyday Pal human rights abuses, like collective punishment tactics, bull dozing homes of occupation resistor s relatives, check point deadly force summary injustice, torture tactics etc. Making that argument as an excuse or some sort of mitigating circumstance in the current Israeli Palestinian context would seen to dishonor the universal lesson of the Holocaust which is to not tolerate human rights injustice.
The ultimate power to resolve this particular historic injustice is in the hands Israelis and not the Pals. Israelis will have to satisfy the Pal s sense of justice or the matter will not be settled. The Israeli s say they want peace and security as they try in vain to build walls high enough to protect themselves from the revenge their actions provke. The great Israeli hope must be the Pals will finally tire of being brutalized and humiliated, give up a go quietly to their apartheid reservations surrounded by strategically located Israeli settler surveillance forts. How actual Israeli deeds square with their alleged desire for peace and security is another one of those mysteries of faith held dear by apologists for Israel.
The real irony for Americans is that our craven political leaders actually campaign boasting of their servile fidelity to supporting and funding Israel s morally reprehensible ethnocentric apartheid policies. Such thoroughly un-American policies as Israel practices would not be tolerated in the US for a nanosecond without a tsunami of political and moral outrage. The big payoff for giving Israel an American blank check and a rubber stamp has been to make ourselves their full partners as objects of a world wide pandemic of hatred, in particular among the third that are Muslim. We have not only jeopardized our much larger security interests abroad but we have put own homeland at risk and for what? Israel has never been neither more insecure nor a greater parahia state and more unwilling to resolve the injustice that is at the very core of ME instability. My problem with Israel is they keep electing leaders like iron fisted serial war criminal Sharon and his bungling wannabe, Olmert, grand architect of the highly disrespected Lebanon collective punishment campaign to destroy Lebanon s vital civilian infrastructure. Both men have squandered whatever little was left of the good will Israel once had with the rest of the world. Israelis have only themselves to blame for reelecting men fully committed to the apartheid settlement scheme in the same old historical pattern of slow motion ethnic cleansing behavior.
No better friend of Israel than President Carter yet his honesty has elicited smears and character assassination attempts to silence him. Want to be a better friend of Israel? Insist our elected leaders hold Israel s elected leaders to a much higher standard of morality and commitment to make peace or else. Good people need to stop making excuses for the inexcusable and address the gross injustice before their eyes.
PG