Via the Mighty Favog comes more horrible news from New Orleans. Kid returns from Katrina exile with his mom on Wednesday. Kid gets into a fistfight with teen thug. Thug goes home, whereupon his mama gives him a pistol and...
Rod, where do people get guns? If not from their mothers, that is?
Vin
February 9, 2007 6:07 PM
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But Rod--You can probably find a quaint Craftsman style house for a song in New Orleans... Gentrify, Rod, gentrify!!!
Anon
February 9, 2007 6:16 PM
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Can we not ignore the elephant in the room for once and discuss dysfuntional black underclass in N.O.???
Michael
February 9, 2007 6:21 PM
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"...can't be fixed by cutting more checks, building more community centers, electing more Democrats, etc." I suppose electing more Republicans would help though, huh?
MI
February 9, 2007 6:34 PM
gravitron5.blogspot.com
"The Corps or Prison". Not a fool-proof solution, but it might limit the transmission of dysfunctionality across generations. Of course, this would require much harsher military training than we currently use. See Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" (the book, not the movie), or John Christian Falkenberg, for details. MI
St_Irenaeus
February 9, 2007 7:00 PM
pomoconservative.blogspot.com
It goes back to the socio-psycho trauma of slavery, which destroyed families and individuals, and then, more controversially, to the welfare programs in post-WWII America, in which single-family households were favored; gov't policy didn't reward two-parent homes. Hence, kids raised with just one parent, which is unhealthy. I remember one of my soc profs in college saying that he has a card-carrying liberal democrat, but all social ills could be traced back to the breakdown of the family. So that's a description. Prescription? Gotta get tough on crime, gotta set policies that reward families, people (Christians like you and I) gotta get involved teaching parenting classes, helping folks in our communities with simple odds and ends, tutoring kids, etc. We need an investment of volunteer man- and womanpower, not another federal program.
anon
February 9, 2007 7:01 PM
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"What, aside from locking these cretins up, can government do?" Is it necessary to do more? I think that will take care of it. Is there an epidemic of mothers arming their kids? "Mogadishu?" I think this post is over the top, bordering on hysteria. Is every murder or instance of a psycho parent evidence that we no longer have a "society"? Get a grip. You're not helping. Plus I think there are no bayous near where this murder took place.
Rich
February 9, 2007 7:12 PM
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There is a degree of dysfunctionality present here that is downright Hobbesian Yes, and it can best be handled with a Hobbesian solution. Leviathan needs to start cracking some heads.
god-is-in-the-tv
February 9, 2007 7:18 PM
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Well, we could also go with the old Wild West model and just arm everyone. I don't think reverting back to "nasty, brutish and short" lives is the way to go, though. I don't see any help coming from Government, which exists to keep rich people rich. Nor do I see help coming from religion, which serves to point fingers at our shortcomings and offer little more than "Jesus will take care of it," as a solution. What has worked in other places (though on a much smaller scale than is what's necessary in NOLA, IMO) is people believing in their communities and their neighbors enough to take action, mobilize, and decide enough is enough. One offs like this will *always* happen when people have no hope.
Matt
February 9, 2007 7:18 PM
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Broken glass theory. NOLA was a mess before that hurricane hit, and that's something for which W ain't at fault.
B-Dog
February 9, 2007 7:34 PM
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A terrible story, for sure, but I don't really get the point of the post, besides the fact that it's another example of Rod's Chicken Little worldview.
Venn T. Diagram
February 9, 2007 8:03 PM
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Hmmm. The Louisiana Recovery Authority puts the Orleans Parish population at 200,665, and the population within the city limits of New Orleans itself estimated to be be as low as 191,000 (as of February 2007), not counting the large number of reconstruction workers currently residing in the city. There were 161 NOLA homicides in 2006, and at the current pace there will be well over 200 in 2007 (see last week's Economist). 400 homicides in those two years would be the proportional equivalent to 8,500 car bomb deaths within the city limits of Baghdad (~ 4.5 million) in the same period. Which is several thousand more car bomb deaths than have, er, actually happened. Will Rod have the courage to say in print in the DMN that NOLA is in fact, in a state of civil war?
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February 9, 2007 8:27 PM
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"What, aside from locking these cretins up, can government do?" Nothing. How can we expect the government, regardless of the ruling party, to change the heart of a human being? Positive change doesn't come from the state, it comes from the pulpit. Also, Rod, we could come near to ending poverty in America by simply keeping families together.
There were 5,106 homicides in Baghdad in just July and August last year. According to the UN. Now there's a stunningly credible source. News flash: the UN hasn't even been in Iraq since August 2003 and the Canal Hotel bomb. That statistic is second-hand and second-rate.
Rich
February 9, 2007 9:09 PM
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GIITV I don't see any help coming from Government, which exists to keep rich people rich. Yeah, partly. But it also exists to keep poor people from killing and robbing rich people and each other. It exists to mitigate the whole "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short" part so that some people can get rich. If the State doesn't use force every now and again, its subjects will. Hobbes was right about us.
Perhaps: Bring the troops home. Put them on patrol in high-crime areas and on the border. If we don't have reasonably safe neighborhoods at home, perhaps we shouldn't be trying to bring law and order abroad.
Rich
February 9, 2007 9:32 PM
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Preach it Major
Kiril Lakota
February 9, 2007 9:36 PM
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Major: Let us say we do as you suggest regarding the troops. How would you curb the corruption in Louisiana government? First, let us talk about Gov. Kathleen Blanco. What has she done to remove corruption? Nothing! Did you know almost the day before Hurricane Katrina hit members of the New Orleans levee board where indicted in Baton Rouge because they used the money from that program like their own ATM. What about Mayor Nagin? When the s*** hit the fan he folded like a cheap suit. This proved he is no Rudy Guiliani. Do you know what he has done to rid New Orleans of corruption? I do not know either. Last but no least, there is Congressman William Jefferson who managed to get reelected. Even after the Feds recovered $90,000 grand from his freezer. In short, troops may provide some solution but until you rid Louisiana of this Laissez faire attitude towards political corruption, it will not change didly.
god-is-in-the-tv
February 9, 2007 9:53 PM
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But it also exists to keep poor people from killing and robbing rich people and each other. True. And in that respect it is failing miserably. What the community in NOLA needs (and I'm not talking out of my ass here, 22 of my family members lost the material goods they couldn't carry out with them in Katrina) is leadership from the bottom up. They need a person or people to whom those struggling to make it can look up. People who know the area, know the struggles the working poor and the unemployed face down there who can inspire more than the "me-firstism" the the government/business alliance engenders.
god-is-in-the-tv
February 9, 2007 9:56 PM
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Of course, I've always been more of a Rousseau-ian than a Hobbesian thinker. Hobbes believed life before Leviathan was a horrific thing, because he was looking at the world around him - a world that had been "civilized" for 3000 years. Rousseau believed that life wias idyllic before someone put up fences and began guarding property with weapons. When the food, the clothes and the shelter is free for the taking, what is there to protect?
Bob
February 9, 2007 10:29 PM
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What may save a lot of N.O. kids is that they NO LONGER LIVE THERE. They may be in Houston, Georgia, wherever, but they are in a less dysfunctional place, where they have better guidance and modeling.
RB
February 9, 2007 10:44 PM
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"What may save a lot of N.O. kids is that they NO LONGER LIVE THERE. They may be in Houston, Georgia, wherever, but they are in a less dysfunctional place, where they have better guidance and modeling." Better guidance and modeling from whom? MTV is the same in Houston as in N.O. If the people don't change, then the environment changes to match the people.
jefecito
February 9, 2007 10:51 PM
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Quite a few posts back Rod asked us how we pray. I meant to respond to that but didn't have a chance. Actually, I've been sitting in a courtroom listening to case after case like the one cited -- where people grow up with a world view that they have to do unto others before they get done, where they can't take insults, where strength is the only virtue . . . And before I could go on hearing these tales, I knew I needed prayer. So I started making the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. So what have I learned from making them, how has it changed me? It's changed the way I see these people, some of whom have done some despicable things. The first thing I did was start to see them as bearers of the image of God (or at least trying to do that). That would preclude calling them things like, say, a cretin (by the way, could everyone look up this word before we use it again?). I'm also trying to do what Jesus did. He didn't insult them and call them monsters. He ate with them, he lived with them, and he healed them. And right now, I don't know if I have that kind of courage.
Rich
February 9, 2007 11:49 PM
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GIITV True. And in that respect it is failing miserably. That's why they need to start cracking some heads. See, I've got a theme going here. Seriously though, I am a Hobbesian thinker, as you are a Rousseau-ian. The funny thing is that you can boil down the optimistic and pessimistic views of human nature to Hobbes and Rousseau. Everyone else is commentary.
Reddopto
February 10, 2007 1:26 AM
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While we are contemplating man's beneficent nature, how about this item from the L.A. Times? Two dozen people witnessed a van from Hollywood Presbyterian Hospital dump a helpless paraplegic man on skid row. They didn't even leave him a wheelchair! They've denied doing this in the past, but were caught red handed this time. Is this the future model for medical care?
armchair pessimist
February 11, 2007 5:45 PM
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"Ordinary people" ...you mean, you and me? Arm, practice, and if Mogadishu comes to you, do what you must do. You and I are caught between a growing and violent anti-society and milksop, pc-whipped governments that cannot or will not supress it. (Are your ears burning, jefecito ?) Our Levethian is helplessly flopping around on the beach. My ,but it's an interesting time to be an American.
ottodittometoo
February 11, 2007 11:51 PM
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So what exactly is the point of this post? - note that I have't read all of the follow up comments - Is this a situation which could ONLY exist in New Orleans or was this story posted because of the ADDED tradgedy of having it happen in New Orleans? Is this further prof that allowing New Orleans to disappear is justified? What about the decent people there trying to salvage a TRULY GREAT AMERICAN CITY? Forget IRAQ! Lets rebuild New Orleans - we could if the will existed - (and I do not believe that we should abandon Iraq with the huge mess we have made there, but I was opposed to the war and New Orleans is winnable......)
jefecito
February 12, 2007 3:00 PM
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Umm, I'm a little confused, Armchair Pessimist. So if my ears are burning, you were talking about me. So am I the "milksop, pc-whipped governments that cannot or will not supress it"? I'm a sovereign? Or did you mean I'm just a milksop and PC whipped? Believing that everyone carries the image of God is politically correct? Really? Or are you saying I'm a "milksop" because I'm not willing to get a gun and prepare for the barbarians at the gate? If so, I'm fine not sharing a worldview where your strategy is a virtue.
Franklin Evans
February 12, 2007 4:43 PM
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St_Irenaeus, please clarify: only Christians are qualified to get involved teaching parenting classes, helping folks in our communities with simple odds and ends, tutoring kids, etc. Is that your intent? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but as a Pagan who does exactly what you describe, and is thanked for it despite* it being known he's a Pagan, I find such offhand rhetoric rather insulting at best. * I wrote that as a comparison point, not as a commentary on tolerance. In my community, people are people first when it comes to things like reducing violence and educating our children.
Franklin Evans
February 12, 2007 4:56 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/
Giittv wrote above, with bold added by me: What the community in NOLA needs (and I'm not talking out of my ass here, 22 of my family members lost the material goods they couldn't carry out with them in Katrina) is leadership from the bottom up. They need a person or people to whom those struggling to make it can look up. People who know the area, know the struggles the working poor and the unemployed face down there who can inspire more than the "me-firstism" the the government/business alliance engenders. In short, what they need is a martyr. I'm serious, and at the risk of hyperbole, deadly serious. Such a category of person is present in nearly every community, and as individuals they epitomize the ethical value of treating others not just with respect, but with the notion that they, too, deserve to live there in peace. So, hypotheticating from the story of the murdered boy, what is needed is a neighbor of that mother with the gun getting in the mother's face and telling her that not only is she wrong, but that she is teaching her son evil. A possible consequence of that action is getting shot by the mother. It all must be possible, it all must happen. That is the essence of bottom-up in this ethical context. Naturally, I do not hope that martyrs are made. I would hope that people will respond constructively to that sort of leadership, but the reality is that there is an entire set of generations who consider violence a valid response to nearly any situation. It will take more than symbolic leadership to negate that.
armchair pessimist
February 12, 2007 10:27 PM
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Jefecito: No, from your earlier comment I gathered that you're a judge in criminal cases, and you sounded awfully lukewarm about doing your duty to protect the public from these people. So, yes, I called you a milksop, and now call you a menace. On the other hand, if I misread your line of work, and you're just a plain citizen like me, please accept my apologies.
jefecito
February 13, 2007 2:29 PM
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Apology accepted, Armchair Pessimist. Although I suspect you'd still find me a "menace," and I'm still confused. What did I write that made me sound lukewarm? That I saw all people, even defendants, as bearers of the image of God? I said these cases are hard to listen to, and I needed prayer. Pretend I'm a judge. Should a judge find these cases anything but tragic? A judge is supposed to dispassionately apply the law. Otherwise, he or she would be an activist judge. I don't understand how prayer or seeing "these people" as children of God gets in the way of protecting the public (although technically, the representative of the people is the prosecutor, not the judge).
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Rod, where do people get guns? If not from their mothers, that is?
But Rod--You can probably find a quaint Craftsman style house for a song in New Orleans... Gentrify, Rod, gentrify!!!
Can we not ignore the elephant in the room for once and discuss dysfuntional black underclass in N.O.???
"...can't be fixed by cutting more checks, building more community centers, electing more Democrats, etc." I suppose electing more Republicans would help though, huh?
"The Corps or Prison". Not a fool-proof solution, but it might limit the transmission of dysfunctionality across generations. Of course, this would require much harsher military training than we currently use. See Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" (the book, not the movie), or John Christian Falkenberg, for details. MI
It goes back to the socio-psycho trauma of slavery, which destroyed families and individuals, and then, more controversially, to the welfare programs in post-WWII America, in which single-family households were favored; gov't policy didn't reward two-parent homes. Hence, kids raised with just one parent, which is unhealthy. I remember one of my soc profs in college saying that he has a card-carrying liberal democrat, but all social ills could be traced back to the breakdown of the family. So that's a description. Prescription? Gotta get tough on crime, gotta set policies that reward families, people (Christians like you and I) gotta get involved teaching parenting classes, helping folks in our communities with simple odds and ends, tutoring kids, etc. We need an investment of volunteer man- and womanpower, not another federal program.
"What, aside from locking these cretins up, can government do?" Is it necessary to do more? I think that will take care of it. Is there an epidemic of mothers arming their kids? "Mogadishu?" I think this post is over the top, bordering on hysteria. Is every murder or instance of a psycho parent evidence that we no longer have a "society"? Get a grip. You're not helping. Plus I think there are no bayous near where this murder took place.
There is a degree of dysfunctionality present here that is downright Hobbesian Yes, and it can best be handled with a Hobbesian solution. Leviathan needs to start cracking some heads.
Well, we could also go with the old Wild West model and just arm everyone. I don't think reverting back to "nasty, brutish and short" lives is the way to go, though. I don't see any help coming from Government, which exists to keep rich people rich. Nor do I see help coming from religion, which serves to point fingers at our shortcomings and offer little more than "Jesus will take care of it," as a solution. What has worked in other places (though on a much smaller scale than is what's necessary in NOLA, IMO) is people believing in their communities and their neighbors enough to take action, mobilize, and decide enough is enough. One offs like this will *always* happen when people have no hope.
Broken glass theory. NOLA was a mess before that hurricane hit, and that's something for which W ain't at fault.
A terrible story, for sure, but I don't really get the point of the post, besides the fact that it's another example of Rod's Chicken Little worldview.
Hmmm. The Louisiana Recovery Authority puts the Orleans Parish population at 200,665, and the population within the city limits of New Orleans itself estimated to be be as low as 191,000 (as of February 2007), not counting the large number of reconstruction workers currently residing in the city. There were 161 NOLA homicides in 2006, and at the current pace there will be well over 200 in 2007 (see last week's Economist). 400 homicides in those two years would be the proportional equivalent to 8,500 car bomb deaths within the city limits of Baghdad (~ 4.5 million) in the same period. Which is several thousand more car bomb deaths than have, er, actually happened. Will Rod have the courage to say in print in the DMN that NOLA is in fact, in a state of civil war?
"What, aside from locking these cretins up, can government do?" Nothing. How can we expect the government, regardless of the ruling party, to change the heart of a human being? Positive change doesn't come from the state, it comes from the pulpit. Also, Rod, we could come near to ending poverty in America by simply keeping families together.
Venn There were 5,106 homicides in Baghdad in just July and August last year. There are routinely more than 100 per week there. NOLA isn't even close. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA071FFC3A550C728EDDA00894DE404482
There were 5,106 homicides in Baghdad in just July and August last year. According to the UN. Now there's a stunningly credible source. News flash: the UN hasn't even been in Iraq since August 2003 and the Canal Hotel bomb. That statistic is second-hand and second-rate.
GIITV I don't see any help coming from Government, which exists to keep rich people rich. Yeah, partly. But it also exists to keep poor people from killing and robbing rich people and each other. It exists to mitigate the whole "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short" part so that some people can get rich. If the State doesn't use force every now and again, its subjects will. Hobbes was right about us.
OK Venn, the Iraqi Health Ministry reports numbers almost as high as the U.N. for the same two month period. Try this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212638,00.html
Perhaps: Bring the troops home. Put them on patrol in high-crime areas and on the border. If we don't have reasonably safe neighborhoods at home, perhaps we shouldn't be trying to bring law and order abroad.
Preach it Major
Major: Let us say we do as you suggest regarding the troops. How would you curb the corruption in Louisiana government? First, let us talk about Gov. Kathleen Blanco. What has she done to remove corruption? Nothing! Did you know almost the day before Hurricane Katrina hit members of the New Orleans levee board where indicted in Baton Rouge because they used the money from that program like their own ATM. What about Mayor Nagin? When the s*** hit the fan he folded like a cheap suit. This proved he is no Rudy Guiliani. Do you know what he has done to rid New Orleans of corruption? I do not know either. Last but no least, there is Congressman William Jefferson who managed to get reelected. Even after the Feds recovered $90,000 grand from his freezer. In short, troops may provide some solution but until you rid Louisiana of this Laissez faire attitude towards political corruption, it will not change didly.
But it also exists to keep poor people from killing and robbing rich people and each other. True. And in that respect it is failing miserably. What the community in NOLA needs (and I'm not talking out of my ass here, 22 of my family members lost the material goods they couldn't carry out with them in Katrina) is leadership from the bottom up. They need a person or people to whom those struggling to make it can look up. People who know the area, know the struggles the working poor and the unemployed face down there who can inspire more than the "me-firstism" the the government/business alliance engenders.
Of course, I've always been more of a Rousseau-ian than a Hobbesian thinker. Hobbes believed life before Leviathan was a horrific thing, because he was looking at the world around him - a world that had been "civilized" for 3000 years. Rousseau believed that life wias idyllic before someone put up fences and began guarding property with weapons. When the food, the clothes and the shelter is free for the taking, what is there to protect?
What may save a lot of N.O. kids is that they NO LONGER LIVE THERE. They may be in Houston, Georgia, wherever, but they are in a less dysfunctional place, where they have better guidance and modeling.
"What may save a lot of N.O. kids is that they NO LONGER LIVE THERE. They may be in Houston, Georgia, wherever, but they are in a less dysfunctional place, where they have better guidance and modeling." Better guidance and modeling from whom? MTV is the same in Houston as in N.O. If the people don't change, then the environment changes to match the people.
Quite a few posts back Rod asked us how we pray. I meant to respond to that but didn't have a chance. Actually, I've been sitting in a courtroom listening to case after case like the one cited -- where people grow up with a world view that they have to do unto others before they get done, where they can't take insults, where strength is the only virtue . . . And before I could go on hearing these tales, I knew I needed prayer. So I started making the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. So what have I learned from making them, how has it changed me? It's changed the way I see these people, some of whom have done some despicable things. The first thing I did was start to see them as bearers of the image of God (or at least trying to do that). That would preclude calling them things like, say, a cretin (by the way, could everyone look up this word before we use it again?). I'm also trying to do what Jesus did. He didn't insult them and call them monsters. He ate with them, he lived with them, and he healed them. And right now, I don't know if I have that kind of courage.
GIITV True. And in that respect it is failing miserably. That's why they need to start cracking some heads. See, I've got a theme going here. Seriously though, I am a Hobbesian thinker, as you are a Rousseau-ian. The funny thing is that you can boil down the optimistic and pessimistic views of human nature to Hobbes and Rousseau. Everyone else is commentary.
While we are contemplating man's beneficent nature, how about this item from the L.A. Times? Two dozen people witnessed a van from Hollywood Presbyterian Hospital dump a helpless paraplegic man on skid row. They didn't even leave him a wheelchair! They've denied doing this in the past, but were caught red handed this time. Is this the future model for medical care?
"Ordinary people" ...you mean, you and me? Arm, practice, and if Mogadishu comes to you, do what you must do. You and I are caught between a growing and violent anti-society and milksop, pc-whipped governments that cannot or will not supress it. (Are your ears burning, jefecito ?) Our Levethian is helplessly flopping around on the beach. My ,but it's an interesting time to be an American.
So what exactly is the point of this post? - note that I have't read all of the follow up comments - Is this a situation which could ONLY exist in New Orleans or was this story posted because of the ADDED tradgedy of having it happen in New Orleans? Is this further prof that allowing New Orleans to disappear is justified? What about the decent people there trying to salvage a TRULY GREAT AMERICAN CITY? Forget IRAQ! Lets rebuild New Orleans - we could if the will existed - (and I do not believe that we should abandon Iraq with the huge mess we have made there, but I was opposed to the war and New Orleans is winnable......)
Umm, I'm a little confused, Armchair Pessimist. So if my ears are burning, you were talking about me. So am I the "milksop, pc-whipped governments that cannot or will not supress it"? I'm a sovereign? Or did you mean I'm just a milksop and PC whipped? Believing that everyone carries the image of God is politically correct? Really? Or are you saying I'm a "milksop" because I'm not willing to get a gun and prepare for the barbarians at the gate? If so, I'm fine not sharing a worldview where your strategy is a virtue.
St_Irenaeus, please clarify: only Christians are qualified to get involved teaching parenting classes, helping folks in our communities with simple odds and ends, tutoring kids, etc. Is that your intent? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but as a Pagan who does exactly what you describe, and is thanked for it despite* it being known he's a Pagan, I find such offhand rhetoric rather insulting at best. * I wrote that as a comparison point, not as a commentary on tolerance. In my community, people are people first when it comes to things like reducing violence and educating our children.
Giittv wrote above, with bold added by me: What the community in NOLA needs (and I'm not talking out of my ass here, 22 of my family members lost the material goods they couldn't carry out with them in Katrina) is leadership from the bottom up. They need a person or people to whom those struggling to make it can look up. People who know the area, know the struggles the working poor and the unemployed face down there who can inspire more than the "me-firstism" the the government/business alliance engenders. In short, what they need is a martyr. I'm serious, and at the risk of hyperbole, deadly serious. Such a category of person is present in nearly every community, and as individuals they epitomize the ethical value of treating others not just with respect, but with the notion that they, too, deserve to live there in peace. So, hypotheticating from the story of the murdered boy, what is needed is a neighbor of that mother with the gun getting in the mother's face and telling her that not only is she wrong, but that she is teaching her son evil. A possible consequence of that action is getting shot by the mother. It all must be possible, it all must happen. That is the essence of bottom-up in this ethical context. Naturally, I do not hope that martyrs are made. I would hope that people will respond constructively to that sort of leadership, but the reality is that there is an entire set of generations who consider violence a valid response to nearly any situation. It will take more than symbolic leadership to negate that.
Jefecito: No, from your earlier comment I gathered that you're a judge in criminal cases, and you sounded awfully lukewarm about doing your duty to protect the public from these people. So, yes, I called you a milksop, and now call you a menace. On the other hand, if I misread your line of work, and you're just a plain citizen like me, please accept my apologies.
Apology accepted, Armchair Pessimist. Although I suspect you'd still find me a "menace," and I'm still confused. What did I write that made me sound lukewarm? That I saw all people, even defendants, as bearers of the image of God? I said these cases are hard to listen to, and I needed prayer. Pretend I'm a judge. Should a judge find these cases anything but tragic? A judge is supposed to dispassionately apply the law. Otherwise, he or she would be an activist judge. I don't understand how prayer or seeing "these people" as children of God gets in the way of protecting the public (although technically, the representative of the people is the prosecutor, not the judge).
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