Marshall McLuhan once said that he came into the Catholic Church "on my knees." He meant that the only way to truly become a Catholic (or, I think it's fair to say, a serious Christian of any sort) is through...
I have found that a more "scheduled" prayer time really helps me, like the Plan of Life that Opus Dei puts forth. I start my day with my Magnifcat, and then I can do my mental prayer during my commute. The hardest part is getting to Daily Mass, but when I can't go, I make a spiritual communion. I also try to be a daily rosary sayer, because I find that to be very calming. A lot of people I know say they "think too much" when they do that. Sometimes I meditate on the mysteries, but more often it's just bringing my prayers and petitions to God and sitting quietly with Him. that seems to work for me, and opens my mind to what is really important in life, instead of being bogged down in what's for dinner, etc.
Winston
February 3, 2007 6:55 PM
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I like to say the Pledge of Allegiance when I get up every morning. It reminds me that America is the best place in the world and that I have a lot to be thankful for. It also puts me in the right frame of mind for the rest of the day. Whenever I encounter problems or something isn't it working right in my community or in the country, I tell myself "Hey, America is great; don't worry."
scriblerus
February 3, 2007 6:59 PM
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Daily prayer really does require effort, physical effort. I work long hours and if I'm not getting regular meals or not getting enough sleep, it really takes a toll on my spiritual life. Don't know if anyone else has experienced this. I actually am about to change careers because I know if stayed in this line of work, I would be well on my way to being a spiritual wreck in no time.
Gretchen
February 3, 2007 7:44 PM
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I'm in the midst of a sea change with my prayer life. Prayer was always an inspiration thing for me, but that quickly loses steam and I was the same as Rod....reading and studying about prayer but not actually praying. Well, I found out about the Daily Office (I come from a lapsed Episcopal background so basically didn't have any religious upbringing at all). I'm just finishing up Scot McKnight's "Praying with the Church," (I highly recommend it, especially for those with a Protestant background or one not grounded in the Divine Hours--my Catholic husband has no clue about 'how those monks pray'), and have been learning to use "Benedictine Daily Prayer, A Short Breviary." Also, just finished up "The Benedictine Handbook." And, any book by Esther de Waal is highly recommended...she writes on Celtic spirituality (the Christian kind, not the pagan kind). I can't explain how refreshing it is to be praying in the sacred rhythms of the Church. I very much appreciate the Shema, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One, and thou shalt love the Lord thy God....". I have a mezuzah on my doorpost (a habit my husband's family got into after a stint in Israel) and it consistently reminds me to recite and ponder the Shema. I'm looking forward to finding some more prayer books to use as I learn to pray with the Church. I've noticed that my spontaneous prayer is more inspired now. And I'm beginning to memorize some of the great prayers of Christian history, which help when I'm not feeling inspired. Another thing I do when I can't sleep and it's late at night, is to light three candles in honor of the Trinity and to pray with their light only. It is very comforting and it reminds me that God in His three-fold divinity is present with me. Some of my best prayers have been uttered with those three candles. Now, if I was to share this with my many evangelical friends I know it would scandalize them, but here I think, it's safe to talk about one's prayer life. :-)
Bktx1
February 3, 2007 9:09 PM
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I have fallen away from prayer because I am so angry with God. I want to pray, but I can't make myself. Sometimes I wonder why God even brought me into the world if this is the result.
thomas tucker
February 3, 2007 9:18 PM
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Bktx1- then maybe for now you shouldn't even try to pray. Or maybe you should yell and scream at God, a different form of prayer to be sure, but prayer nonetheless. Or maybe you should try repetition of the Jesus Prayer. In the meantime, know that there are people who will pray for you.
Joey
February 3, 2007 9:57 PM
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Bktx1---I'm not sure what your problems in terms of faith are, but I would try prayer. Pray to God to understand why He is causing/allowing whatever problems you're having, and for wisdom in dealing with them. Or, as Thomas said, you can even yell at him---keep in mind that the Bible has examples of prophets debating or even scolding God, and many of the psalms are the same kind of thing, with people basically yelling or moaning at God. Not my idea of an "ideal" relationship with God, but then again, it does expand the relationship and thus may make it more "real." God bless.
Lindsey @ enjoythejourney
February 3, 2007 11:15 PM
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I'm one that would be considered an evangelical. However, I pray in many forms. I often pray freely, saying what I feel needs to be said and it is much like a 2-way conversation between God and myself. Then, there are other times where I just don't know what or how to pray and I offer up desperation prayers such as "help me Lord, to find the words, you know my heart." I *DO* find great comfort and solace in praying things such as the Lords Prayer, reciting the Apostles Creed, and even the Rosary (yes, I, and evangelical know how and do often pray the rosary!). I think prayer is a very intimate thing; no rules can dictate it, no one can define your personal walk with the Lord for you. If you find comfort in your prayer life, then you are doing something right. Frustration is the key to showing you that it isn't what it needs to be. Someone wise once told me if you approach prayer as a duty or chore, that is what it will be. But if you approach it as a priveledge, it will be sweeter and more peaceful to you. (and it is a priveledge) :)
M_David
February 3, 2007 11:29 PM
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Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office). I only do Morning and Night (at wakeup and bedtime repectively). In the unlikely event you are unfamilar with the Office, Rod, it's the primary, formal prayer of the Catholic Church (trivia: the only possession St. Francis owned besides his robe). It is prayed by the entire Communion every day at specific times in union with each other to fulfill the command of Jesus to "pray always" (clergy are required to pray the entire Office every day). The core of the Office is the 4 week cycle of the Psalter, but it follows the liturgical cycle and thus feast days, etc.
Anonymous Also
February 4, 2007 12:03 AM
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I do not "pray" per se, but what I do is a silent meditation. I've done a sound meditation before, but don't really like to, because I feel incredibly self - concious, and not self - concious in a good way. I also like to write out what I'd like to manifest in my life, then read it back softly to myself several times, the try to visualize it happening. It sounds crazy, but it works for me.
tmatt
February 4, 2007 12:28 AM
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When I moved back to Washington, I started saying morning prayers as I walked from Union Station to my office. After the basic prayers, I begin the Jesus prayer, alternating with prayers for the saints, my spiritual father, our bishops, church unity, my family, the city itself, the poor, my students, special concerns among church, friends, family, etc. If some new subject leaps into my mind during this walk, or I see something that provokes thought, I add that into the cycle of the prayers.
Irenaeus
February 4, 2007 12:02 PM
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I'm really rational, to a fault, and so my former therapist at one point had me simply pray 'maranatha' for 30 minutes a day. Rod, what's a 'prayer rope'?
Brian
February 4, 2007 1:45 PM
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My prayer life stinks.
watsy
February 4, 2007 2:13 PM
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I make a quiet time during the day. Sometimes I can do it when the girls are playing, and sometimes I need to wait until all of the kids are in school. Many people make time early in the morning before the rest of the house awakens, but I don't like setting an alarm unless I absolutely must. I read the Bible for a brief period and then close my eyes and meditate. I use my favorite words to keep mind from wandering, "love, peace, compassion, grace, forgiveness, Lord, Jesus" I just keep repeating them over and over until I feel the presence of the Lord. Fruits? I'm slower to anger. I'm a better wife, mother, and friend. It's like quenching a thirst. It's connecting the spirit that's within with the One God. One as in that which can't be divided, not as in the one that stands alone.
harvey lacey
February 4, 2007 3:17 PM
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Just to be clear, from a Christian point of view, these techniques are meant to help us unite with a specific being, the living God, and cannot be seen on the same level as Buddhist techniques, which have a different goal. Rod Dreher Bullpucky, pure t bullpucky. I know prayer. Prayer and me have a history of intimacy. As a sixteen year old I had a key to the church and I had a routine. Every afternoon I'd walk the two miles home from school because I enjoyed the entertainment of being there when what I knew played with what I imagined. After checking in at home I'd walk to the church and spend an hour or so at the alter, just me and the empty church preparing my knees for a working life, just didn't know it. What I did is exactly the same thing any person of a specific faith does when they isolate themselves and attempt to become one with their concept of a creator. It doesn't matter if it's humming, chanting, handling beads, or repeating certain words they've never heard spoken by another as the pentecostals do. It's a human being thing and not a God or Allah or Spagetti Monster thing. It's what we do for our own purposes, end of story. It's an escape to and from ourselves. I still enjoy the solitude of the walk and for the same reasons that I did as a sixteen year old. It's still about the imagination having time to dance with reality and me getting to be there. I still do what devout men do for the same reasons. I still talk to myself about myself and my relationships with others. I still look at the issues complicating the lives of those I care about and seek to find a solution that will help. In the end I generally do just like all men of faith. I accept my limitations and I leave things I can't control in the hand of a force bigger than myself. The only difference is the image of that force. The Abrahamic faithful see that image as God or Allah. Other faiths see their version of the same way, it's acceptance of a person's limitations and acknowledgement of forces greater than themselves. It's about labels. Rod's God is my happenstance and time. The difference is Rod believes that he can change things by talking to God. I see myself only able to change things with words expressed to other human beings. Our goals are the same, peace in our own hearts and the wisdom to share it intelligently with those we care about.
Susan
February 4, 2007 5:42 PM
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I sit for an hour a day in silence. Mornings are best, partly because I am a morning person, partly because that's before the Great Big Anxious Engine of my mind gets going. Some people can do it in the evenings. It takes an unusual person to break for it in the middle of the day.His word I just listen. In any conversation, things get really unproductive when one person does all the talking and the other person can't get a word in edgewise. Where the first person is really into talking but doesn't ever listen. In the last analysis, what God has to say is much more interesting than what I have to say. And when He sits with me in the silence, His silence is more rewarding, even, than anything He might say. (PS - Rod, your thing puts "laymen" down a lot. My experience with RC monks and contemplative nuns - a very extensive experience - does not suggest that these individuals, because of their life style, are any more likely (or, any less likely) to find that Silence than anyone else. If they like to suggest the contrary, I'd have to ask some questions around the issues of pride, truth, all that jazz.)
Rod Dreher
February 4, 2007 8:11 PM
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Harvey, you are imposing your own reductionist materialist paradigm onto the realm of religion. It's not valid, or at least not persuasive. Irenaeus, a prayer rope is kind of like an Eastern Orthodox rosary, except that the Orthodox use it to pray the Jesus Prayer ("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, have mercy on me, a sinner.") You can learn about them here. It's just an aid to prayer, and is said to have been devised in the fourth century for monks needing to keep track of their prayers. I find it very helpful.
harvey lacey
February 4, 2007 10:30 PM
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Harvey, you are imposing your own reductionist materialist paradigm onto the realm of religion. It's not valid, or at least not persuasive. Rod Dreher Words failed me evidently. I can accept that. I'll try harder. It's what we do. The statement I made is valid. So it has to be my delivery, that's something I can work on and will.
Unsympathetic reader
February 4, 2007 10:49 PM
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harvey, I tend to side with you on this one. I wouldn't call it "reductionist" or "materialist", just an analysis of the practice.
Timbuktoo
February 5, 2007 1:10 AM
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Rod, There have been times when I have posted to disagree with you and many times I have been harsh in my words toward you. BUT I would have to say that this post of yours is one of the absolute best! Thank you.
masha
February 5, 2007 10:44 AM
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Here is a free mp3 with Jesus's Prayer: http://www.bogoslovy.ru/music.htm it is in the middle of the big list titled Иисусова молитва ( 2 456 Кб ), if the font doesn't works, at least it can be found by numbers, approximately in the middle. It is very beautiful, i think noone would regret time spent on finding it. Also very beautiful Psalm- 'Blessed is a man who doesn't go to assembly of profanes'-25 lines upper than Jesus' Prayer -Блажен муж. ( 4 265 Кб )
masha
February 5, 2007 11:33 AM
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I m not good at praying, but here are prayers which i like because of their simplicity: Prayer of St. Ephraim the Syrian: O Lord and Master of my life, cast away from me the spirit of laziness, idle curiosity, love of power and vain talk. But grant me, Your servant, the spirit of moderation, humility, patience and love. Yes, Lord and King, grant me to see my own faults and not to judge my brothers and sisters. For You are blessed forever. Amen. Another variant: http://www.serfes.org/printerVersion2.asp?URL=/spiritual/april2002.htm (a lot depends on translation and I don't know how it sounds for english speaking people.In my language it sounds very harmoneous, so that it is difficult to imagine replacing words. The same as in this famouse morning PRAYER OF THE OPTINA ELDERS: 1. O Lord, give me strength to face with serenity everything that this day will bring. Grant me to entrust myself fully to Your holy will. Every hour of this day teach me and support me. Whatever news I may receive during the day, teach me to accept it with peace of mind and with firm conviction that everything is according to Your holy will. 2. In all my words and actions guide my thoughts and feelings. In all unexpected events, do not let me forget that everything is sent by You. 3. Teach me to deal sincerely and wisely with every member of my family, bringing confusion or sorrow to none. 4. O Lord, give me strength to bear the weariness of the coming day and all the events of this day. Guide my will and teach me to pray, to believe, to hope, to endure, to forgive and to love. Amen. http://www.dorogadomoj.com/d424opt.html
harvey lacey
February 5, 2007 12:37 PM
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Masha, I personally borrow from the Serenity Prayer these lines. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; I personally see those words as THE words of wisdom for a good life.
Max Schadenfreude
February 5, 2007 1:43 PM
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Harvey, Nicely put, though personally, I always change one line to read... "...courage to change the things I can and should;" Lord knows that I've learned the hard way that there are things I can change that I should just leave alone.
harvey lacey
February 5, 2007 1:57 PM
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I believe "wisdom" isn't a single faceted feature in the prayer, just my feelings. btw, I visited your website. I disagree with you about Jane Fonda. If you want to jump on a Hollywood star on Nam consider my choice. John Wayne. His support for the War cost may lives on both sides.
Max Schadenfreude
February 5, 2007 2:13 PM
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I wasn't jumping on Hollywood stars, I was jumping on American traitors.
harvey lacey
February 5, 2007 2:19 PM
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Max, how do you define traitor? How about someone who supports the destruction of American lives? John Wayne did that with his supporting the War. His support was the tipping point for many parents who believe in him and in turn lost their sons in the wrong War in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jane on the other hand brought the War up close and personal by presenting a position that caused Americans to actually think about the viability of the War. Her activities initiated a tipping point in many lives which shortened the War and in turn saved many lives, American lives. Her work shortened the War saving lives. Wayne's work supported the War consuming lives. Treason?
harvey lacey
February 5, 2007 2:23 PM
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I apologize Rod for taking Max by his tale and getting into an off topic wrassling match. Character flaw, I'm glad getting off on tangents is my only one......
Max Schadenfreude
February 5, 2007 2:26 PM
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Harvey, I submit that the what you blame on Wayne properly belongs to McNamara and LBJ. But in any event, that's not treason. Flying over the N. Vietnam and playing with our enemy (Charlie) and taking joy in playing with the weapons that kill Americans. That's treason.
Biblebeliever
February 5, 2007 3:05 PM
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I agree prayer is very important to the Christan so on that level we agree Rod. Catholic/Orthodox "contemplative" ie "centering" type prayers are not Biblical ways to pray. The Bible warns of praying in vain repetitions like the heathen. If you are praying akin to Buddhists this is not a good thing whatsoever. There is a difference between Christian prayer and pagan meditation. One is about relationship, and focusing on God's Word, not seeking annihilation of one's mind and repeating the same words over and over. I do not believe "detachement and ascesis" are even Christian goals but one's centered in the teachings of false religions. Detachement is itself based in selfishness and an innerward looking rather then seeking after the will of God and being the salt of the world. You do not want to be on the same path of Buddhist monks, Rod. This is where many like Thomas Merton went wrong. Buddist monks seek the altered states of conciousness sought by all members of the occult. Sure, there is a change in the brain to the so-called Alpha state which leaves one's mind open to demonic influence. In Buddist temples and monastaries, the main focus is on meditation, and these monks DO [according to the memoirs of the one's Ive read] have trance states, visits from spirits [demonic] and other experiences that are NOT of God. God does not want you to "empty" yourself, to alter your state of consciouness, to free your mind of "thoughts" and leave it EMPTY or to seek the annihilation of personality that eastern and western contemplative mysticism seeks after. In truth there is little difference between the actions of Catholic/ORTHODOX MYSTICS, and or Hindu and Buddhist ones. Overall we will have a difference of opinion here. "Christian" mysticism is deception that is accepted and practiced both in the Catholic and Orthodox churches but really false practices that are anything but Christian. Mysticism of all forms does NOT lead to God. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/mysticism-bennett.html
Biblebeliever
February 5, 2007 3:11 PM
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Rod, Try talking to God in your own words. I had to learn to pray the right way too after I became a Christian. I was lost in the world of meditation and false religion before I was a Christian. I KNOW the difference. Taize, "Christian" mysticism are as empty as the Buddist and New age religions because they turn even prayer into something DEAD and LIFELESS. They teach people to obliterate their own personalities as they pray more to a "force" that wants them empty and lifeless and not in conversation using rote words and emptiness. I talk to God daily IN MY OWN WORDS. Praise, thanking, praying for needs of others and my own. Looking to His Word, and thinking and praying on it--using the brains God gave me {not emptying my mind, repeating the same word over and over to seek a mystical experience} but praying in RELATIONSHIP with HIM...not becoming a an emotionless robot of detachment seeking after false acesticism is how one's relationship grows with the Lord. God bless you Rod. I believe you mean well, but I really do not see you drawn into the world of false mysticism.
Aileen
February 5, 2007 3:24 PM
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Biblebeliever, How does one die to self ,as we are called to do, if prayer is a list of requests followed by a thank you for last weeks answers? Some of us need to "obliterate (our) own personalties" for an hour a day or so. I am not trying to be argumentative but rather I have been seeking answers about prayer and for the past 20 years have not found those answers in the evangelical church. I found the comments above by Gretchen and Lindsey very interesting. Thank you for 'fessing up to your liturgical practices, ladies.
watsy
February 5, 2007 4:38 PM
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Biblebeliever, If you're afraid that demons are going to invade your mind when you're listening for God's answers, then how do you listen? If you can't listen to a person while you're talking, then how do you listen to God while you're talking? I think that you can guage how well you're doing as a Christian by comparing your fruits of prayer with the fruits of the Spirit as described by Paul. I don't think that listening to demons would leave you with the same fruits. I can see why you feel the need to demonize those who don't follow Christ. Afterall, if Christianity is true, then only you can experience the Spirit. Unitarians, such as myself, don't have that problem. I can think that God loves all of us and can work with people through different religious traditions.
Rod Dreher
February 5, 2007 5:58 PM
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I know you mean well, Biblebeliever, but I find the prayer disciplines followed for nearly two millenia by Christian monks and others to be a more reliable guide. Besides, more than half my prayers are "in my own words" to God.
seeking to pray
February 5, 2007 6:15 PM
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I appreciate this post and the comments very much. Thank you, Rod, and those who have added their thoughts. I especially appreciate Bktx1's honesty (about anger), and the responses from some here. I'd like to add that I can relate, and invite others to comment. I used to pray a lot, but have for many years found myself "paralyzed" when I try to pray. I am a born-again Christian, and have many times sensed the Lord's presence and even anointing in my prayer. I have experienced prayers being answered in a way that can only be called miraculous, and have been in prayer meetings where the sense of the Holy Spirit was vivid and undeniable. Getting back to my point, my frustrations in praying are related to anger. Every time I try to pray, I confront tremendous anger at too many people and things to count. To make it worse, much of my anger comes from being in a very unhealthy and abusive church for many years. It's difficult for me to love the Lord or pray to Him in simplicity, because I blame Him for what I suffered (and the people who were supposedly serving Him and "shepherding" me). I don't want to ramble, so I would ask readers and commenters (and even Rod), what do I do if I long to pray as I once used to, but can't "break through" my own personal spiritual and emotional baggage? I've had plenty of "screaming sessions" at the Lord, and other times of repentance, asking Him to somehow come in. But still, whatever spiritual desires and impetus I once had have all come to nothing. I need grace, but can't find it. I know I need others to help me through this, but my past experiences make me very cynical and suspicious of other Christian groups, because I don't want to be abused or bullied again, or have my conscience violated. But I still want to pray, if only to touch the Living One... A woman with a flow of blood touched His garment, and was healed. But for some reason I can't seem to touch Him. There's only anger and bitterness. (I apologize for making this thread depressing, but it just seems appropriate to write about this here.) Any suggestions (and prayer) would be welcomed.
watsy
February 5, 2007 6:24 PM
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I'm wondering if those of us who pray have different reasons for praying. Why do it? For instance, I don't pray because I expect God to do anything for me. I don't expect him to heal the sick. I don't expect him to bring peace in Iraq. I don't expect him to make life better for those in poverty. I don't expect him to feed the hungry. I don't expect him to clean up New Orleans. I don't expect him to keep another hurricane from hitting New Orleans again. I'm sure you get the idea. I don't pray because I'll earn brownie points with God. I don't pray because it makes me feel good. I pray because I believe that the connection that's made in those moments of silence helps me to be more in tune with my spiritual self so that I can know and do the will of the Lord. That's how I believe that God works in the world. He works through us. So, Bktx1, I'm sorry for your pain. I think that you might be expecting God to work in a way that's counter to God's nature. If you think of prayer as a means to connect with your spiritual dimension so that you can handle things thrown at you in life and make good choices, then I think that you might find prayer useful. It's the spiritual transformation of self with prayer that I think has basis in reality. I don't get angry at God because I don't expect God to act in a way that's counter to God's normal way of intervening or God's ALWAYS(I believe) way of intervening.
watsy
February 5, 2007 6:41 PM
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Dear Seeking, I'm not a clergy person, and I'm not a Christian. So take my advice for what it's worth and remember it's free. It sounds to me like you aren't angry with God, but you're angry with your Christian brothers and sisters. I would try a compassion meditation. Try meditating on the people with whom your angry and feel yourself forgiving them for their sins. Try to visualize Christ's mercy on them knowing that Christ will extend the mercy that he's shown to you based on your ability to forgive.(Pretty sure that he says that somewhere). If they've done anything to harm you that's illegal in the USA, then report them to the authorities. I had a real hang-up with Christians after the last election. I couldn't stand them, and especially, couldn't stand evangelical Christians. I solved much of the problem by returning church. Exposing myself to Christians helped me to distinguish real Christians from the media portrayal of Christians. I, also, attended a Bible Study that followed the guides of Beth Moore. She's a big haired, evangelical, from the south. We watched a video of her every other week. It was quite the challenge for me. But watching the videos helped me stop hating her. It's not that I agreed with everything that she said. It's that I new that despite our differences, God loved her as much as me. People are flawed. Focus not on the flaws, but on the part that's human and trying to do the best. But don't let people abuse you.
watsy
February 5, 2007 6:48 PM
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And Seeking... There's nothing wrong with getting professional help. There's nothing wrong with going outside the Christian organizations/denominations that you've been involved with and finding a group whom you can trust.
Aileen
February 5, 2007 7:07 PM
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Seeking to pray, I can really understand what you wrote. Since I am still in the midst of my version of the problem you state, I don't know how much help my words can be but at least know that you are not alone. Here are two ideas. 1)Find one other person with whom you can pray. You don't need a church full of people but you probably do need one person in whom you can confide and whose prayer life you admire to help you rejuvinate your own prayers. Being touched by God's love through another person works wonders. 2) Read books. Philip Yancey has a fairly new book out called "Prayer". If you are not familiar with him, he also has written about spiritual abuse. I also found Thomas Howard's "Evangelical Is Not Enough" to be very helpful. There are many more, too. I appreciate this thread also and I hope that you get some good ideas from others here.
sigaliris
February 5, 2007 7:22 PM
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Dear seeking to pray, my heart went out to you when I read this, because I ve been in a similar situation and I think I understand how you feel. This may not be true for you as it was for me, but eventually I came to feel that the one thing that stood most in my way was that I had not forgiven myself. If I d had a healthy respect for myself as a beloved child of God in the first place, I would have been able to say to them, with dignity, I do not deserve to be treated this way. If you think God wants this, you are wrong. And I could have walked away from them. I didn t stand up for myself because I didn t think I was worth it. I was always trying to prove to God that I was worth it, and feeling that I could never succeed. So I d punish myself, but at the same time, a part of me was angry that I had to suffer so much to earn his love. Well, news flash--I didn t have to earn his love. I already had it. In his eyes I m already worth it, I m already home in his arms, and I don t have to do a single thing except take a deep breath and lean back on him. Stop fussing. I m still working on this, obviously, because it takes a long time to get over the programming that abusers will put in your head. I heard a preacher named Kenneth Copeland say a cool thing. It went something like this: Some folks think they re gonna pray three hours a day and ASTONISH GOD! Let me tell you, you are not going to ASTONISH GOD. He s seen it ALL. Receiving communion was good for me, because it s a pure gift of love. Although wading through the rest of the service may not be possible because of all the psychological baggage. You could try it if you go to that kind of a church. Calling God by another name that doesn t evoke painful memories might help. If Father or Lord makes you feel bad, try just calling him friend, beloved, healer, creator, or any other name that brings you peace. There s nothing heretical about this. God has a million names. For me, it helped to stop trying to solve big issues in my prayer, and to stop feeling guilty if I wasn t carrying out what I d been taught were correct practices. It was important to be kind to myself in daily life and to stop feeling guilty for just enjoying the beautiful world. Do the things that you love, and allow yourself to feel that you are loved by God as you relax and enjoy. It is all right just to be happy. You touch his garment when you are gentle with others and with yourself. You touch his hand when you lovingly receive the morning sunlight, a fresh breeze, a cool drink of water, a child s smile. He prepared all these things for you, out of love. I read scripture, but I avoided hard and controversial passages. For me, the gospels were the best, because I craved the words and presence of Jesus. I especially like John s gospel, because it s so full of his words of tender love for his friends. I also like the letters of St. John. We love because he first loved us. And perfect love casts out fear. Whatever does you good is what you should read. If anything starts to arouse anxiety or churn up anger, just turn the page. You have no need to deal with everything at once. I have found meditation to be a very helpful kind of prayer--the kind of meditation where you just sit quietly and breathe evenly in and out, letting all thoughts go. It helps me to listen to peaceful music while I do this. It s hard at first because so many thoughts come crowding in, but for me, if I keep counting my breaths and focusing on how good it is to breathe in and out, I do become calm eventually. I don t experience emptiness in this. I experience a loving presence sitting quietly with me, when I become quiet enough to notice. You might want to think of yourself as someone who has been injured, and needs time to recover. Take away the pressure and judgment. Cut yourself some slack. Do what you can do, and if it hurts, stop. Allow yourself all the time you need. God is very patient and has plenty of time. If you never did one thing in your life but really understand that he loves you just as you are, that would be enough to make him happy. Sorry for the long post. This may be all about me, and not helpful to you at all! But one thing I know, and that is that God cares about you, and you don t have to struggle to reach him. He is already here.
Aileen
February 5, 2007 7:29 PM
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Sigaliris, Thank you so much for your post.
ScurvyOaks
February 5, 2007 8:55 PM
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Bktx1, I feel for you. I recommend screaming at God. I've done it once, about 10 years ago -- screamed myself hoarse, combined with moaning and crying at the top of my lungs. And it helped. God's heard it before, you know. And when I had yelled my fill, I saw things differently. May God bless you.
Biblebeliever
February 5, 2007 9:54 PM
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Watsy.. Just so you know I'm not only an ex-Catholic {cradle and a couple short years after I left the UU} but also an ex-Unitarian-Universalist with 13 years in that particular organization. I've done the meditation gambit, in the UU done in various guises as you very well should be familiar with. I am not worried about demons invading my mind, because I am not *emptying* my mind. When I pray my mind is focused on the Word of God, and seeking after what He wills for me, rather then seeking after mystical experiences. I believe God protected me during my previous forays into "being one with the universe" and other such spiritual enterprises. I was spared the visions, trances, and visits from spirit guides that so many of my pals had. Today I thank God for this protection. I do not understand why I was spared and others where not, but that was God's Will. I was also taken out of the UU church within one day, by the Holy Spirit, but that is a story for another time. [I had called upon God after starting to read the Bible] So you are not talking to a Christian who has no familiarity with these things. I am quite familiar as when I was a UU, I dabbled in everything from Wicca to Humanism. I also was a flat out Theosophist. {For others reading this thread, UUs dabble in many traditions and philsopies at the SAME TIME]. I have a college friend who has gone back under the tutelage of a Buddhist/Hindu guru we both knew back in college and she has *CHANGED* totally for the worse, speaking of how great euthanasia is, and how reincarnation is her greatest hope. I "listen" to God via His Word. I also listen in prayer. I do not listen via vain imaginations, or mysticism. Many people can be deceived believing God is telling them something when it is another spirit. I test everything by God's Word. Ive had immense fruits of prayer. Some so wonderous I couldnt even begin to list them here. God has directly answered my prayers in many ways. Nothing vague about it either. Unlike many folks who remain lost in doubt, I have no doubt that God is real, and I have no doubt that His Word is 100% true as well as His promises. I do not "demonize" those who dont follow Christ. I was in the very same place as anyone in false religions are in. I know they are being given deceptions instead of God's truth. I am no longer a universalist, and I do not believe the gods of other religions represent the God of the Bible but are false spirits. I have realized most of the world's false religions hold endless things in common and these things are rooted even in Satan's lies. The UU church in its love for globalism, interfaithism, false religions, abortion, euthansia, is actually a micro-cosm of the one world church. Back in the 80s/early 90s when I was a UU, being a Universalist was rare. Now I have noticed just about everyone but the rare exclusive Bible Christian has adopted its teachings in various guises. Alice Bailey after all preached religions should join together for peace as well, and we are hearing this from all the false apostate churches. There is a Biblical way to pray and there is a false way to pray. I pray for UUs as well as everyone else who needs Jesus Christ. Thanks Rod for saying you know I mean well. Please read the article I have provided and please pray about these things.
Scottb1132
February 5, 2007 10:41 PM
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You are on to something. Your readers are right. All are good ideas. Divine liturgy, Opus Dei's discipline of daily offering, mental prayer, sacraments, all bring us into contact with Divine Intimacy. We need to learn to go to a deep place, where we pray in spirit and in truth, where the Holy Spirit actually prays for and through us. To get there, we must silence ourselves, our egos, our screaming minds. To do that, we must go into a form of prayer, mental prayer, that is like meditation. You must find a zone, a place that is sacred, usually in front of the Blessed Sacrament, enter that space, either mentally or physically, but at least mentally, and allow your mind to meditate on a scene from Our Lord's life, or meditate on being at the foot of the Cross with Our Lady, and actually experience it. You will find if you do this fifteen minutes a day, preferably before or after daily mass, that you will grow in leaps and bounds spiritually, that you will tap into the streams of living water of which Our Lord spoke. St. Teresa of Avila said all you need is fifteen minutes a day. I have been doing this for a year, amid tremendous suffering and trials, both exterior and interior. God is running the show in my life now. He put me in a position to go to daily mass without any real effort (church right across the street from where I work), taught me to approach Him in intimacy through mental prayer, brought me readings and friends to support me, and gave me an excellent spiritual adviser. For the first time in 25 years of being a Catholic, in the last year I have truly begun to enter into what I would call the Spiritual Life. Before that, I was going to Mass, believed in all of it, sometimes even went on retreat, though rarely, prayed the rosary, occasionally went to daily mass, and read good spiritual books. But I was keeping God at bay, and I was not getting purged of my predominant faults, or having to truly confront my lack of charity toward others, myself, and not finding inner peace. You have raised a key issue for your readers. This is a tremendous service in Grace. The path to infusion of sanctifying Grace is in the path you have described, silence before the transcendent and Almighty and Merciful God, loving embrace of Him in true channeled prayer, receit of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit without real effort, but through a discipline of invoking and being docile or available to Him. It is hidden, kept for those willing to be children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Now. Here. This is what monks and nuns achieve, a level of intimacy with God that we all envy. The fact is, we are all called to it. Fifteen minutes a day. That's all. As you grow in faith, perhaps it will increase to a half hour, an hour a day, but that is not necessary for the ordinary person. What sometimes occurs is that people are put off of mental prayer, thinking it is inaccessible, weird, or foreign. Actually, it is as old as prayer itself. Going off before God, Moses, Abraham, Elisha, Elijah, King David, Jeremiah, Our Lord, the Apostles, Church Fathers, Desert Fathers, St. Benedict, and on into our own time. The only thing that made Mother Teresa's work possible was much time spent in silent prayer and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. You can't just sit there, something has to be going on between you and God, between your soul and the Divine presence. That something can be connected through mental prayer. Call it what you will: Silent prayer, contemplation, deep meditation, but it is a leaving of quotidian distraction and everyday prayer. It is entering before the Throne of God. Being in a state of recollection. All are called to this. Another thing that may help: one should speak directly to God, either silently or aloud, but the aloud option must be done carefully to avoid men in white coats. In any event, we should approach God without fear of speaking one on one of our problems, what is bothering us, asking how we are going to get through something, or how could that happen, and what is so and so doing when they did that to me, etc. Failing to approach God as a father is a serious mistake. He simply wants us to approach him without a lot of pomposity and to ask, to seek, to knock, and then to sense His presence and to respond openly in love. As we do this, some things happen. We begin to really realize the immensity and reality of God, His real presence in us as well as in the Blessed Sacrament. As we persist in daily mental prayer and intimacy with God, and stay in a state of sanctifying Grace through frequent confession, and if able, frequent Holy Communion, we begin to have a fear offending God, we begin to have an appreciation of the horror of sin, of its effect of separating us from that Divine presence and interior power of Grace. Once you truly enter into this practice and state, God does most of the work and the rewards are immense. You never want to go back to the old way, of barely acknowledging God's existence except at set times. You will have a continuing awareness of God doing things in your life, sending you Graces, sending you tests of patience or charity. Whom God loves, he tests. I don't really know why, but we are a people who do not know His ways, as the Psalm says, but He teaches us His ways. Some readings that may inspire: Soul of the Apostolate, also Garrigou La Grange, also St. Peter of Alcantara, "A Golden Treatise on Mental Prayer."
seeking to pray
February 5, 2007 11:55 PM
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Thank you, watsy, Aileen, and sigaliris. Your words are truly helpful. I'm grateful that you shared those suggestions with me.
ScurvyOaks
February 6, 2007 12:55 AM
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I have to put in a plug for the historic Book of Common Prayer. My church uses the American 1928 version. I grew up with it (1962-1979) and have come back to it (1997-present). Like any liturgy regularly practiced, the BCP shapes the worshipper and strongly influences private prayer. In private prayer, I will often start praying a BCP prayer from memory and, part-way through, use it as a springboard to prayer in my own words. Some of the BCP prayers I pray in full very often. E.g., "Lighten our darkness, we beseech thee, O Lord . . ." every night. Or the Collect for Purity: "Almighty God, unto whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid; Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love thee, and worthily magnify thy holy Name; through Christ our Lord. Amen."
watsy
February 6, 2007 5:07 AM
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BibleBeliever, Thanks for your response. Just so you know, I'm not a UU person. I have nothing against UU. I've gone to a few UU services and heard some very inspiring sermons. I like how UU people care for the earth and the world. I like their 7 principles(I think it's 7). I belong to a Reform temple and a Presbyterian church. My family is Jewish and I'm learning more and more about Judaism. I find more freedom and encounter less hostility at b-net when I say that I'm not a Christian, but I approach my spiritual life within a Christian framework since that's what I know best. It sounds like you've found what works best for you.
masha
February 6, 2007 10:18 AM
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'God does not want you to "empty" yourself, to alter your state of consciouness, to free your mind of "thoughts" and leave it EMPTY or to seek the annihilation of personality that eastern and western contemplative mysticism seeks after. In truth there is little difference between the actions of Catholic/ORTHODOX MYSTICS, and or Hindu and Buddhist ones.' But the purpose is VERY different. Orthodox prayers do not seek for 'annihilation of personality' and leaving onself empty. '"Christian" mysticism are as empty as the Buddist and New age religions because they turn even prayer into something DEAD and LIFELESS. They teach people to obliterate their own personalities as they pray more to a "force" that wants them empty and lifeless and not in conversation using rote words and emptiness.' Why Orthodox prayer should be DEAD and LIFELESS? i never heard about any 'force' wanting it to be so in christianity. As i understand it --some short formulas help to express your heart to God directly, without excess words and feelings, in another words that minimum helps your mind and heart not to go in wrong direction, not to start thinking about something unnecessary. As for chatting with God, telling to Him everything about how you spend your day, perhaps for someone it is the only acceptable way of prayer, but i thnink using God as just imagined psychoanalyst to whom you can pour out your soul is a bit skin-deep attitude. It might very easily turn into talking with yourself (or with your own conscience) and only supposing that God also might hear your words. In such prayers there is no mystics of course... but i think in real prayer mystics (or mystery)is always present. How can it not be mystical (mysterious)--trying to connect yourself to God and to believe He can reply to that?? P.s. Inspired by extreme situations i can pray with my own words, in other time it's very hard, i become lost in expressions and feel it is all wrong or silly or is not worth saying.
Aaron
February 6, 2007 5:57 PM
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Buddist monks seek the altered states of conciousness sought by all members of the occult. Sure, there is a change in the brain to the so-called Alpha state which leaves one's mind open to demonic influence. "so-called Alpha state"? Nothing so-called about it, but then again, I'm sure you have disdain for "so-called" science as well. I'm amazed to learn demons invade through electromagnetic influence, but only if we're in a "so-called" state. No more of that hocusy-pocusy magical bible stuff anymore. You folks can get downright goofy at times.
Aaron
February 6, 2007 6:02 PM
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...When I pray my mind is focused on the Word of God, ... "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me a sinner", yep, them catliks and greeks sure don't understand the Word of God, even though that short phrase both sums up the entire gospel message and is found in a slightly different variant in the gospels itself, which that Jesus guy himself praised. I believe God protected me during my previous forays into "being one with the universe" and other such spiritual enterprises. I was spared the visions, trances, and visits from spirit guides that so many of my pals had. Today I thank God for this protection. He sure blessed you with the gift of Sanctimony though...in abundance.
ScurvyOaks
February 6, 2007 9:49 PM
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BibleBeliever, I rejoice in your zeal for the Word of the Lord. But I will go out on a limb and predict that, a few more years into your Christian walk, your perspective will be somewhat broader. Grace be unto you and peace, from God our Lord and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rod Dreher
February 6, 2007 9:54 PM
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Come on, Aaron, let's not get personal.
'2 Elders'
June 23, 2008 9:10 PM
A 'Rule of Prayer' would be a oxymoron...the simplest prayer is best.
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I have found that a more "scheduled" prayer time really helps me, like the Plan of Life that Opus Dei puts forth. I start my day with my Magnifcat, and then I can do my mental prayer during my commute. The hardest part is getting to Daily Mass, but when I can't go, I make a spiritual communion. I also try to be a daily rosary sayer, because I find that to be very calming. A lot of people I know say they "think too much" when they do that. Sometimes I meditate on the mysteries, but more often it's just bringing my prayers and petitions to God and sitting quietly with Him. that seems to work for me, and opens my mind to what is really important in life, instead of being bogged down in what's for dinner, etc.
I like to say the Pledge of Allegiance when I get up every morning. It reminds me that America is the best place in the world and that I have a lot to be thankful for. It also puts me in the right frame of mind for the rest of the day. Whenever I encounter problems or something isn't it working right in my community or in the country, I tell myself "Hey, America is great; don't worry."
Daily prayer really does require effort, physical effort. I work long hours and if I'm not getting regular meals or not getting enough sleep, it really takes a toll on my spiritual life. Don't know if anyone else has experienced this. I actually am about to change careers because I know if stayed in this line of work, I would be well on my way to being a spiritual wreck in no time.
I'm in the midst of a sea change with my prayer life. Prayer was always an inspiration thing for me, but that quickly loses steam and I was the same as Rod....reading and studying about prayer but not actually praying. Well, I found out about the Daily Office (I come from a lapsed Episcopal background so basically didn't have any religious upbringing at all). I'm just finishing up Scot McKnight's "Praying with the Church," (I highly recommend it, especially for those with a Protestant background or one not grounded in the Divine Hours--my Catholic husband has no clue about 'how those monks pray'), and have been learning to use "Benedictine Daily Prayer, A Short Breviary." Also, just finished up "The Benedictine Handbook." And, any book by Esther de Waal is highly recommended...she writes on Celtic spirituality (the Christian kind, not the pagan kind). I can't explain how refreshing it is to be praying in the sacred rhythms of the Church. I very much appreciate the Shema, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One, and thou shalt love the Lord thy God....". I have a mezuzah on my doorpost (a habit my husband's family got into after a stint in Israel) and it consistently reminds me to recite and ponder the Shema. I'm looking forward to finding some more prayer books to use as I learn to pray with the Church. I've noticed that my spontaneous prayer is more inspired now. And I'm beginning to memorize some of the great prayers of Christian history, which help when I'm not feeling inspired. Another thing I do when I can't sleep and it's late at night, is to light three candles in honor of the Trinity and to pray with their light only. It is very comforting and it reminds me that God in His three-fold divinity is present with me. Some of my best prayers have been uttered with those three candles. Now, if I was to share this with my many evangelical friends I know it would scandalize them, but here I think, it's safe to talk about one's prayer life. :-)
I have fallen away from prayer because I am so angry with God. I want to pray, but I can't make myself. Sometimes I wonder why God even brought me into the world if this is the result.
Bktx1- then maybe for now you shouldn't even try to pray. Or maybe you should yell and scream at God, a different form of prayer to be sure, but prayer nonetheless. Or maybe you should try repetition of the Jesus Prayer. In the meantime, know that there are people who will pray for you.
Bktx1---I'm not sure what your problems in terms of faith are, but I would try prayer. Pray to God to understand why He is causing/allowing whatever problems you're having, and for wisdom in dealing with them. Or, as Thomas said, you can even yell at him---keep in mind that the Bible has examples of prophets debating or even scolding God, and many of the psalms are the same kind of thing, with people basically yelling or moaning at God. Not my idea of an "ideal" relationship with God, but then again, it does expand the relationship and thus may make it more "real." God bless.
I'm one that would be considered an evangelical. However, I pray in many forms. I often pray freely, saying what I feel needs to be said and it is much like a 2-way conversation between God and myself. Then, there are other times where I just don't know what or how to pray and I offer up desperation prayers such as "help me Lord, to find the words, you know my heart."
I *DO* find great comfort and solace in praying things such as the Lords Prayer, reciting the Apostles Creed, and even the Rosary (yes, I, and evangelical know how and do often pray the rosary!).
I think prayer is a very intimate thing; no rules can dictate it, no one can define your personal walk with the Lord for you. If you find comfort in your prayer life, then you are doing something right. Frustration is the key to showing you that it isn't what it needs to be. Someone wise once told me if you approach prayer as a duty or chore, that is what it will be. But if you approach it as a priveledge, it will be sweeter and more peaceful to you. (and it is a priveledge) :)
Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office). I only do Morning and Night (at wakeup and bedtime repectively).
In the unlikely event you are unfamilar with the Office, Rod, it's the primary, formal prayer of the Catholic Church (trivia: the only possession St. Francis owned besides his robe). It is prayed by the entire Communion every day at specific times in union with each other to fulfill the command of Jesus to "pray always" (clergy are required to pray the entire Office every day). The core of the Office is the 4 week cycle of the Psalter, but it follows the liturgical cycle and thus feast days, etc.
I do not "pray" per se, but what I do is a silent meditation. I've done a sound meditation before, but don't really like to, because I feel incredibly self - concious, and not self - concious in a good way. I also like to write out what I'd like to manifest in my life, then read it back softly to myself several times, the try to visualize it happening. It sounds crazy, but it works for me.
When I moved back to Washington, I started saying morning prayers as I walked from Union Station to my office. After the basic prayers, I begin the Jesus prayer, alternating with prayers for the saints, my spiritual father, our bishops, church unity, my family, the city itself, the poor, my students, special concerns among church, friends, family, etc. If some new subject leaps into my mind during this walk, or I see something that provokes thought, I add that into the cycle of the prayers.
I'm really rational, to a fault, and so my former therapist at one point had me simply pray 'maranatha' for 30 minutes a day.
Rod, what's a 'prayer rope'?
My prayer life stinks.
I make a quiet time during the day. Sometimes I can do it when the girls are playing, and sometimes I need to wait until all of the kids are in school. Many people make time early in the morning before the rest of the house awakens, but I don't like setting an alarm unless I absolutely must.
I read the Bible for a brief period and then close my eyes and meditate. I use my favorite words to keep mind from wandering, "love, peace, compassion, grace, forgiveness, Lord, Jesus" I just keep repeating them over and over until I feel the presence of the Lord. Fruits? I'm slower to anger. I'm a better wife, mother, and friend. It's like quenching a thirst. It's connecting the spirit that's within with the One God. One as in that which can't be divided, not as in the one that stands alone.
Just to be clear, from a Christian point of view, these techniques are meant to help us unite with a specific being, the living God, and cannot be seen on the same level as Buddhist techniques, which have a different goal. Rod Dreher Bullpucky, pure t bullpucky. I know prayer. Prayer and me have a history of intimacy. As a sixteen year old I had a key to the church and I had a routine. Every afternoon I'd walk the two miles home from school because I enjoyed the entertainment of being there when what I knew played with what I imagined. After checking in at home I'd walk to the church and spend an hour or so at the alter, just me and the empty church preparing my knees for a working life, just didn't know it. What I did is exactly the same thing any person of a specific faith does when they isolate themselves and attempt to become one with their concept of a creator. It doesn't matter if it's humming, chanting, handling beads, or repeating certain words they've never heard spoken by another as the pentecostals do. It's a human being thing and not a God or Allah or Spagetti Monster thing. It's what we do for our own purposes, end of story. It's an escape to and from ourselves. I still enjoy the solitude of the walk and for the same reasons that I did as a sixteen year old. It's still about the imagination having time to dance with reality and me getting to be there. I still do what devout men do for the same reasons. I still talk to myself about myself and my relationships with others. I still look at the issues complicating the lives of those I care about and seek to find a solution that will help. In the end I generally do just like all men of faith. I accept my limitations and I leave things I can't control in the hand of a force bigger than myself. The only difference is the image of that force. The Abrahamic faithful see that image as God or Allah. Other faiths see their version of the same way, it's acceptance of a person's limitations and acknowledgement of forces greater than themselves. It's about labels. Rod's God is my happenstance and time. The difference is Rod believes that he can change things by talking to God. I see myself only able to change things with words expressed to other human beings. Our goals are the same, peace in our own hearts and the wisdom to share it intelligently with those we care about.
I sit for an hour a day in silence. Mornings are best, partly because I am a morning person, partly because that's before the Great Big Anxious Engine of my mind gets going. Some people can do it in the evenings. It takes an unusual person to break for it in the middle of the day.His word I just listen. In any conversation, things get really unproductive when one person does all the talking and the other person can't get a word in edgewise. Where the first person is really into talking but doesn't ever listen. In the last analysis, what God has to say is much more interesting than what I have to say. And when He sits with me in the silence, His silence is more rewarding, even, than anything He might say. (PS - Rod, your thing puts "laymen" down a lot. My experience with RC monks and contemplative nuns - a very extensive experience - does not suggest that these individuals, because of their life style, are any more likely (or, any less likely) to find that Silence than anyone else. If they like to suggest the contrary, I'd have to ask some questions around the issues of pride, truth, all that jazz.)
Harvey, you are imposing your own reductionist materialist paradigm onto the realm of religion. It's not valid, or at least not persuasive.
Irenaeus, a prayer rope is kind of like an Eastern Orthodox rosary, except that the Orthodox use it to pray the Jesus Prayer ("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, have mercy on me, a sinner.") You can learn about them here. It's just an aid to prayer, and is said to have been devised in the fourth century for monks needing to keep track of their prayers. I find it very helpful.
Harvey, you are imposing your own reductionist materialist paradigm onto the realm of religion. It's not valid, or at least not persuasive. Rod Dreher Words failed me evidently. I can accept that. I'll try harder. It's what we do. The statement I made is valid. So it has to be my delivery, that's something I can work on and will.
harvey, I tend to side with you on this one. I wouldn't call it "reductionist" or "materialist", just an analysis of the practice.
Rod, There have been times when I have posted to disagree with you and many times I have been harsh in my words toward you. BUT I would have to say that this post of yours is one of the absolute best! Thank you.
Here is a free mp3 with Jesus's Prayer: http://www.bogoslovy.ru/music.htm it is in the middle of the big list titled Иисусова молитва ( 2 456 Кб ), if the font doesn't works, at least it can be found by numbers, approximately in the middle. It is very beautiful, i think noone would regret time spent on finding it. Also very beautiful Psalm- 'Blessed is a man who doesn't go to assembly of profanes'-25 lines upper than Jesus' Prayer -Блажен муж.
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I m not good at praying, but here are prayers which i like because of their simplicity:
Prayer of St. Ephraim the Syrian:
O Lord and Master of my life, cast away from me the spirit of laziness, idle curiosity, love of power and vain talk. But grant me, Your servant, the spirit of moderation, humility, patience and love. Yes, Lord and King, grant me to see my own faults and not to judge my brothers and sisters. For You are blessed forever. Amen.
Another variant: http://www.serfes.org/printerVersion2.asp?URL=/spiritual/april2002.htm (a lot depends on translation and I don't know how it sounds for english speaking people.In my language it sounds very harmoneous, so that it is difficult to imagine replacing words. The same as in this famouse morning PRAYER OF THE OPTINA ELDERS: 1. O Lord, give me strength to face with serenity everything that this day will bring. Grant me to entrust myself fully to Your holy will. Every hour of this day teach me and support me. Whatever news I may receive during the day, teach me to accept it with peace of mind and with firm conviction that everything is according to Your holy will. 2. In all my words and actions guide my thoughts and feelings. In all unexpected events, do not let me forget that everything is sent by You. 3. Teach me to deal sincerely and wisely with every member of my family, bringing confusion or sorrow to none. 4. O Lord, give me strength to bear the weariness of the coming day and all the events of this day. Guide my will and teach me to pray, to believe, to hope, to endure, to forgive and to love. Amen.
http://www.dorogadomoj.com/d424opt.html
Masha, I personally borrow from the Serenity Prayer these lines.
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; I personally see those words as THE words of wisdom for a good life.
Harvey, Nicely put, though personally, I always change one line to read... "...courage to change the things I can and should;" Lord knows that I've learned the hard way that there are things I can change that I should just leave alone.
I believe "wisdom" isn't a single faceted feature in the prayer, just my feelings. btw, I visited your website. I disagree with you about Jane Fonda. If you want to jump on a Hollywood star on Nam consider my choice. John Wayne. His support for the War cost may lives on both sides.
I wasn't jumping on Hollywood stars, I was jumping on American traitors.
Max, how do you define traitor? How about someone who supports the destruction of American lives? John Wayne did that with his supporting the War. His support was the tipping point for many parents who believe in him and in turn lost their sons in the wrong War in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jane on the other hand brought the War up close and personal by presenting a position that caused Americans to actually think about the viability of the War. Her activities initiated a tipping point in many lives which shortened the War and in turn saved many lives, American lives. Her work shortened the War saving lives. Wayne's work supported the War consuming lives. Treason?
I apologize Rod for taking Max by his tale and getting into an off topic wrassling match. Character flaw, I'm glad getting off on tangents is my only one......
Harvey, I submit that the what you blame on Wayne properly belongs to McNamara and LBJ. But in any event, that's not treason. Flying over the N. Vietnam and playing with our enemy (Charlie) and taking joy in playing with the weapons that kill Americans. That's treason.
I agree prayer is very important to the Christan so on that level we agree Rod. Catholic/Orthodox "contemplative" ie "centering" type prayers are not Biblical ways to pray. The Bible warns of praying in vain repetitions like the heathen. If you are praying akin to Buddhists this is not a good thing whatsoever.
There is a difference between Christian prayer and pagan meditation. One is about relationship, and focusing on God's Word, not seeking annihilation of one's mind and repeating the same words over and over. I do not believe "detachement and ascesis" are even Christian goals but one's centered in the teachings of false religions. Detachement is itself based in selfishness and an innerward looking rather then seeking after the will of God and being the salt of the world. You do not want to be on the same path of Buddhist monks, Rod. This is where many like Thomas Merton went wrong. Buddist monks seek the altered states of conciousness sought by all members of the occult. Sure, there is a change in the brain to the so-called Alpha state which leaves one's mind open to demonic influence. In Buddist temples and monastaries, the main focus is on meditation, and these monks DO [according to the memoirs of the one's Ive read] have trance states, visits from spirits [demonic] and other experiences that are NOT of God. God does not want you to "empty" yourself, to alter your state of consciouness, to free your mind of "thoughts" and leave it EMPTY or to seek the annihilation of personality that eastern and western contemplative mysticism seeks after. In truth there is little difference between the actions of Catholic/ORTHODOX MYSTICS, and or Hindu and Buddhist ones.
Overall we will have a difference of opinion here. "Christian" mysticism is deception that is accepted and practiced both in the Catholic and Orthodox churches but really false practices that are anything but Christian. Mysticism of all forms does NOT lead to God. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/mysticism-bennett.html
Rod, Try talking to God in your own words. I had to learn to pray the right way too after I became a Christian. I was lost in the world of meditation and false religion before I was a Christian. I KNOW the difference. Taize, "Christian" mysticism are as empty as the Buddist and New age religions because they turn even prayer into something DEAD and LIFELESS. They teach people to obliterate their own personalities as they pray more to a "force" that wants them empty and lifeless and not in conversation using rote words and emptiness. I talk to God daily IN MY OWN WORDS.
Praise, thanking, praying for needs of others and my own. Looking to His Word, and thinking and praying on it--using the brains God gave me {not emptying my mind, repeating the same word over and over to seek a mystical experience} but praying in RELATIONSHIP with HIM...not becoming a an emotionless robot of detachment seeking after false acesticism is how one's relationship grows with the Lord. God bless you Rod. I believe you mean well, but I really do not see you drawn into the world of false mysticism.
Biblebeliever, How does one die to self ,as we are called to do, if prayer is a list of requests followed by a thank you for last weeks answers? Some of us need to "obliterate (our) own personalties" for an hour a day or so. I am not trying to be argumentative but rather I have been seeking answers about prayer and for the past 20 years have not found those answers in the evangelical church. I found the comments above by Gretchen and Lindsey very interesting. Thank you for 'fessing up to your liturgical practices, ladies.
Biblebeliever, If you're afraid that demons are going to invade your mind when you're listening for God's answers, then how do you listen? If you can't listen to a person while you're talking, then how do you listen to God while you're talking? I think that you can guage how well you're doing as a Christian by comparing your fruits of prayer with the fruits of the Spirit as described by Paul. I don't think that listening to demons would leave you with the same fruits. I can see why you feel the need to demonize those who don't follow Christ. Afterall, if Christianity is true, then only you can experience the Spirit. Unitarians, such as myself, don't have that problem. I can think that God loves all of us and can work with people through different religious traditions.
I know you mean well, Biblebeliever, but I find the prayer disciplines followed for nearly two millenia by Christian monks and others to be a more reliable guide. Besides, more than half my prayers are "in my own words" to God.
I appreciate this post and the comments very much. Thank you, Rod, and those who have added their thoughts. I especially appreciate Bktx1's honesty (about anger), and the responses from some here. I'd like to add that I can relate, and invite others to comment. I used to pray a lot, but have for many years found myself "paralyzed" when I try to pray. I am a born-again Christian, and have many times sensed the Lord's presence and even anointing in my prayer. I have experienced prayers being answered in a way that can only be called miraculous, and have been in prayer meetings where the sense of the Holy Spirit was vivid and undeniable. Getting back to my point, my frustrations in praying are related to anger. Every time I try to pray, I confront tremendous anger at too many people and things to count. To make it worse, much of my anger comes from being in a very unhealthy and abusive church for many years. It's difficult for me to love the Lord or pray to Him in simplicity, because I blame Him for what I suffered (and the people who were supposedly serving Him and "shepherding" me). I don't want to ramble, so I would ask readers and commenters (and even Rod), what do I do if I long to pray as I once used to, but can't "break through" my own personal spiritual and emotional baggage? I've had plenty of "screaming sessions" at the Lord, and other times of repentance, asking Him to somehow come in. But still, whatever spiritual desires and impetus I once had have all come to nothing. I need grace, but can't find it. I know I need others to help me through this, but my past experiences make me very cynical and suspicious of other Christian groups, because I don't want to be abused or bullied again, or have my conscience violated. But I still want to pray, if only to touch the Living One... A woman with a flow of blood touched His garment, and was healed. But for some reason I can't seem to touch Him. There's only anger and bitterness. (I apologize for making this thread depressing, but it just seems appropriate to write about this here.) Any suggestions (and prayer) would be welcomed.
I'm wondering if those of us who pray have different reasons for praying. Why do it? For instance, I don't pray because I expect God to do anything for me. I don't expect him to heal the sick. I don't expect him to bring peace in Iraq. I don't expect him to make life better for those in poverty. I don't expect him to feed the hungry. I don't expect him to clean up New Orleans. I don't expect him to keep another hurricane from hitting New Orleans again. I'm sure you get the idea. I don't pray because I'll earn brownie points with God. I don't pray because it makes me feel good. I pray because I believe that the connection that's made in those moments of silence helps me to be more in tune with my spiritual self so that I can know and do the will of the Lord. That's how I believe that God works in the world. He works through us. So, Bktx1, I'm sorry for your pain. I think that you might be expecting God to work in a way that's counter to God's nature. If you think of prayer as a means to connect with your spiritual dimension so that you can handle things thrown at you in life and make good choices, then I think that you might find prayer useful. It's the spiritual transformation of self with prayer that I think has basis in reality.
I don't get angry at God because I don't expect God to act in a way that's counter to God's normal way of intervening or God's ALWAYS(I believe) way of intervening.
Dear Seeking, I'm not a clergy person, and I'm not a Christian. So take my advice for what it's worth and remember it's free. It sounds to me like you aren't angry with God, but you're angry with your Christian brothers and sisters. I would try a compassion meditation. Try meditating on the people with whom your angry and feel yourself forgiving them for their sins. Try to visualize Christ's mercy on them knowing that Christ will extend the mercy that he's shown to you based on your ability to forgive.(Pretty sure that he says that somewhere). If they've done anything to harm you that's illegal in the USA, then report them to the authorities. I had a real hang-up with Christians after the last election. I couldn't stand them, and especially, couldn't stand evangelical Christians. I solved much of the problem by returning church. Exposing myself to Christians helped me to distinguish real Christians from the media portrayal of Christians. I, also, attended a Bible Study that followed the guides of Beth Moore. She's a big haired, evangelical, from the south. We watched a video of her every other week. It was quite the challenge for me. But watching the videos helped me stop hating her. It's not that I agreed with everything that she said. It's that I new that despite our differences, God loved her as much as me.
People are flawed. Focus not on the flaws, but on the part that's human and trying to do the best. But don't let people abuse you.
And Seeking... There's nothing wrong with getting professional help. There's nothing wrong with going outside the Christian organizations/denominations that you've been involved with and finding a group whom you can trust.
Seeking to pray, I can really understand what you wrote. Since I am still in the midst of my version of the problem you state, I don't know how much help my words can be but at least know that you are not alone. Here are two ideas. 1)Find one other person with whom you can pray. You don't need a church full of people but you probably do need one person in whom you can confide and whose prayer life you admire to help you rejuvinate your own prayers. Being touched by God's love through another person works wonders. 2) Read books. Philip Yancey has a fairly new book out called "Prayer". If you are not familiar with him, he also has written about spiritual abuse. I also found Thomas Howard's "Evangelical Is Not Enough" to be very helpful. There are many more, too. I appreciate this thread also and I hope that you get some good ideas from others here.
Dear seeking to pray, my heart went out to you when I read this, because I ve been in a similar situation and I think I understand how you feel. This may not be true for you as it was for me, but eventually I came to feel that the one thing that stood most in my way was that I had not forgiven myself. If I d had a healthy respect for myself as a beloved child of God in the first place, I would have been able to say to them, with dignity, I do not deserve to be treated this way. If you think God wants this, you are wrong. And I could have walked away from them. I didn t stand up for myself because I didn t think I was worth it. I was always trying to prove to God that I was worth it, and feeling that I could never succeed. So I d punish myself, but at the same time, a part of me was angry that I had to suffer so much to earn his love. Well, news flash--I didn t have to earn his love. I already had it. In his eyes I m already worth it, I m already home in his arms, and I don t have to do a single thing except take a deep breath and lean back on him. Stop fussing. I m still working on this, obviously, because it takes a long time to get over the programming that abusers will put in your head. I heard a preacher named Kenneth Copeland say a cool thing. It went something like this: Some folks think they re gonna pray three hours a day and ASTONISH GOD! Let me tell you, you are not going to ASTONISH GOD. He s seen it ALL.
Receiving communion was good for me, because it s a pure gift of love. Although wading through the rest of the service may not be possible because of all the psychological baggage. You could try it if you go to that kind of a church. Calling God by another name that doesn t evoke painful memories might help. If Father or Lord makes you feel bad, try just calling him friend, beloved, healer, creator, or any other name that brings you peace. There s nothing heretical about this. God has a million names. For me, it helped to stop trying to solve big issues in my prayer, and to stop feeling guilty if I wasn t carrying out what I d been taught were correct practices. It was important to be kind to myself in daily life and to stop feeling guilty for just enjoying the beautiful world. Do the things that you love, and allow yourself to feel that you are loved by God as you relax and enjoy. It is all right just to be happy. You touch his garment when you are gentle with others and with yourself. You touch his hand when you lovingly receive the morning sunlight, a fresh breeze, a cool drink of water, a child s smile. He prepared all these things for you, out of love. I read scripture, but I avoided hard and controversial passages. For me, the gospels were the best, because I craved the words and presence of Jesus. I especially like John s gospel, because it s so full of his words of tender love for his friends. I also like the letters of St. John. We love because he first loved us. And perfect love casts out fear. Whatever does you good is what you should read. If anything starts to arouse anxiety or churn up anger, just turn the page. You have no need to deal with everything at once. I have found meditation to be a very helpful kind of prayer--the kind of meditation where you just sit quietly and breathe evenly in and out, letting all thoughts go. It helps me to listen to peaceful music while I do this. It s hard at first because so many thoughts come crowding in, but for me, if I keep counting my breaths and focusing on how good it is to breathe in and out, I do become calm eventually. I don t experience emptiness in this. I experience a loving presence sitting quietly with me, when I become quiet enough to notice. You might want to think of yourself as someone who has been injured, and needs time to recover. Take away the pressure and judgment. Cut yourself some slack. Do what you can do, and if it hurts, stop. Allow yourself all the time you need. God is very patient and has plenty of time. If you never did one thing in your life but really understand that he loves you just as you are, that would be enough to make him happy. Sorry for the long post. This may be all about me, and not helpful to you at all! But one thing I know, and that is that God cares about you, and you don t have to struggle to reach him. He is already here.
Sigaliris, Thank you so much for your post.
Bktx1, I feel for you. I recommend screaming at God. I've done it once, about 10 years ago -- screamed myself hoarse, combined with moaning and crying at the top of my lungs. And it helped. God's heard it before, you know. And when I had yelled my fill, I saw things differently. May God bless you.
Watsy.. Just so you know I'm not only an ex-Catholic {cradle and a couple short years after I left the UU} but also an ex-Unitarian-Universalist with 13 years in that particular organization. I've done the meditation gambit, in the UU done in various guises as you very well should be familiar with. I am not worried about demons invading my mind, because I am not *emptying* my mind. When I pray my mind is focused on the Word of God, and seeking after what He wills for me, rather then seeking after mystical experiences.
I believe God protected me during my previous forays into "being one with the universe" and other such spiritual enterprises. I was spared the visions, trances, and visits from spirit guides that so many of my pals had. Today I thank God for this protection. I do not understand why I was spared and others where not, but that was God's Will. I was also taken out of the UU church within one day, by the Holy Spirit, but that is a story for another time. [I had called upon God after starting to read the Bible] So you are not talking to a Christian who has no familiarity with these things. I am quite familiar as when I was a UU, I dabbled in everything from Wicca to Humanism. I also was a flat out Theosophist. {For others reading this thread, UUs dabble in many traditions and philsopies at the SAME TIME]. I have a college friend who has gone back under the tutelage of a Buddhist/Hindu guru we both knew back in college and she has *CHANGED* totally for the worse, speaking of how great euthanasia is, and how reincarnation is her greatest hope.
I "listen" to God via His Word. I also listen in prayer. I do not listen via vain imaginations, or mysticism. Many people can be deceived believing God is telling them something when it is another spirit. I test everything by God's Word. Ive had immense fruits of prayer. Some so wonderous I couldnt even begin to list them here. God has directly answered my prayers in many ways. Nothing vague about it either. Unlike many folks who remain lost in doubt, I have no doubt that God is real, and I have no doubt that His Word is 100% true as well as His promises.
I do not "demonize" those who dont follow Christ. I was in the very same place as anyone in false religions are in. I know they are being given deceptions instead of God's truth. I am no longer a universalist, and I do not believe the gods of other religions represent the God of the Bible but are false spirits. I have realized most of the world's false religions hold endless things in common and these things are rooted even in Satan's lies. The UU church in its love for globalism, interfaithism, false religions, abortion, euthansia, is actually a micro-cosm of the one world church. Back in the 80s/early 90s when I was a UU, being a Universalist was rare. Now I have noticed just about everyone but the rare exclusive Bible Christian has adopted its teachings in various guises. Alice Bailey after all preached religions should join together for peace as well, and we are hearing this from all the false apostate churches. There is a Biblical way to pray and there is a false way to pray. I pray for UUs as well as everyone else who needs Jesus Christ. Thanks Rod for saying you know I mean well. Please read the article I have provided and please pray about these things.
You are on to something. Your readers are right. All are good ideas. Divine liturgy, Opus Dei's discipline of daily offering, mental prayer, sacraments, all bring us into contact with Divine Intimacy.
We need to learn to go to a deep place, where we pray in spirit and in truth, where the Holy Spirit actually prays for and through us. To get there, we must silence ourselves, our egos, our screaming minds. To do that, we must go into a form of prayer, mental prayer, that is like meditation. You must find a zone, a place that is sacred, usually in front of the Blessed Sacrament, enter that space, either mentally or physically, but at least mentally, and allow your mind to meditate on a scene from Our Lord's life, or meditate on being at the foot of the Cross with Our Lady, and actually experience it. You will find if you do this fifteen minutes a day, preferably before or after daily mass, that you will grow in leaps and bounds spiritually, that you will tap into the streams of living water of which Our Lord spoke. St. Teresa of Avila said all you need is fifteen minutes a day. I have been doing this for a year, amid tremendous suffering and trials, both exterior and interior. God is running the show in my life now. He put me in a position to go to daily mass without any real effort (church right across the street from where I work), taught me to approach Him in intimacy through mental prayer, brought me readings and friends to support me, and gave me an excellent spiritual adviser. For the first time in 25 years of being a Catholic, in the last year I have truly begun to enter into what I would call the Spiritual Life. Before that, I was going to Mass, believed in all of it, sometimes even went on retreat, though rarely, prayed the rosary, occasionally went to daily mass, and read good spiritual books. But I was keeping God at bay, and I was not getting purged of my predominant faults, or having to truly confront my lack of charity toward others, myself, and not finding inner peace.
You have raised a key issue for your readers. This is a tremendous service in Grace. The path to infusion of sanctifying Grace is in the path you have described, silence before the transcendent and Almighty and Merciful God, loving embrace of Him in true channeled prayer, receit of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit without real effort, but through a discipline of invoking and being docile or available to Him. It is hidden, kept for those willing to be children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Now. Here.
This is what monks and nuns achieve, a level of intimacy with God that we all envy. The fact is, we are all called to it. Fifteen minutes a day. That's all. As you grow in faith, perhaps it will increase to a half hour, an hour a day, but that is not necessary for the ordinary person. What sometimes occurs is that people are put off of mental prayer, thinking it is inaccessible, weird, or foreign. Actually, it is as old as prayer itself. Going off before God, Moses, Abraham, Elisha, Elijah, King David, Jeremiah, Our Lord, the Apostles, Church Fathers, Desert Fathers, St. Benedict, and on into our own time. The only thing that made Mother Teresa's work possible was much time spent in silent prayer and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. You can't just sit there, something has to be going on between you and God, between your soul and the Divine presence.
That something can be connected through mental prayer. Call it what you will: Silent prayer, contemplation, deep meditation, but it is a leaving of quotidian distraction and everyday prayer. It is entering before the Throne of God. Being in a state of recollection. All are called to this.
Another thing that may help: one should speak directly to God, either silently or aloud, but the aloud option must be done carefully to avoid men in white coats. In any event, we should approach God without fear of speaking one on one of our problems, what is bothering us, asking how we are going to get through something, or how could that happen, and what is so and so doing when they did that to me, etc. Failing to approach God as a father is a serious mistake. He simply wants us to approach him without a lot of pomposity and to ask, to seek, to knock, and then to sense His presence and to respond openly in love. As we do this, some things happen. We begin to really realize the immensity and reality of God, His real presence in us as well as in the Blessed Sacrament. As we persist in daily mental prayer and intimacy with God, and stay in a state of sanctifying Grace through frequent confession, and if able, frequent Holy Communion, we begin to have a fear offending God, we begin to have an appreciation of the horror of sin, of its effect of separating us from that Divine presence and interior power of Grace.
Once you truly enter into this practice and state, God does most of the work and the rewards are immense. You never want to go back to the old way, of barely acknowledging God's existence except at set times. You will have a continuing awareness of God doing things in your life, sending you Graces, sending you tests of patience or charity. Whom God loves, he tests. I don't really know why, but we are a people who do not know His ways, as the Psalm says, but He teaches us His ways.
Some readings that may inspire: Soul of the Apostolate, also Garrigou La Grange, also St. Peter of Alcantara, "A Golden Treatise on Mental Prayer."
Thank you, watsy, Aileen, and sigaliris. Your words are truly helpful. I'm grateful that you shared those suggestions with me.
I have to put in a plug for the historic Book of Common Prayer. My church uses the American 1928 version. I grew up with it (1962-1979) and have come back to it (1997-present). Like any liturgy regularly practiced, the BCP shapes the worshipper and strongly influences private prayer. In private prayer, I will often start praying a BCP prayer from memory and, part-way through, use it as a springboard to prayer in my own words. Some of the BCP prayers I pray in full very often. E.g., "Lighten our darkness, we beseech thee, O Lord . . ." every night. Or the Collect for Purity: "Almighty God, unto whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid; Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love thee, and worthily magnify thy holy Name; through Christ our Lord. Amen."
BibleBeliever, Thanks for your response. Just so you know, I'm not a UU person. I have nothing against UU. I've gone to a few UU services and heard some very inspiring sermons. I like how UU people care for the earth and the world. I like their 7 principles(I think it's 7).
I belong to a Reform temple and a Presbyterian church. My family is Jewish and I'm learning more and more about Judaism. I find more freedom and encounter less hostility at b-net when I say that I'm not a Christian, but I approach my spiritual life within a Christian framework since that's what I know best.
It sounds like you've found what works best for you.
'God does not want you to "empty" yourself, to alter your state of consciouness, to free your mind of "thoughts" and leave it EMPTY or to seek the annihilation of personality that eastern and western contemplative mysticism seeks after. In truth there is little difference between the actions of Catholic/ORTHODOX MYSTICS, and or Hindu and Buddhist ones.' But the purpose is VERY different. Orthodox prayers do not seek for 'annihilation of personality' and leaving onself empty.
'"Christian" mysticism are as empty as the Buddist and New age religions because they turn even prayer into something DEAD and LIFELESS. They teach people to obliterate their own personalities as they pray more to a "force" that wants them empty and lifeless and not in conversation using rote words and emptiness.' Why Orthodox prayer should be DEAD and LIFELESS? i never heard about any 'force' wanting it to be so in christianity. As i understand it --some short formulas help to express your heart to God directly, without excess words and feelings, in another words that minimum helps your mind and heart not to go in wrong direction, not to start thinking about something unnecessary.
As for chatting with God, telling to Him everything about how you spend your day, perhaps for someone it is the only acceptable way of prayer, but i thnink using God as just imagined psychoanalyst to whom you can pour out your soul is a bit skin-deep attitude. It might very easily turn into talking with yourself (or with your own conscience) and only supposing that God also might hear your words. In such prayers there is no mystics of course... but i think in real prayer mystics (or mystery)is always present. How can it not be mystical (mysterious)--trying to connect yourself to God and to believe He can reply to that?? P.s. Inspired by extreme situations i can pray with my own words, in other time it's very hard, i become lost in expressions and feel it is all wrong or silly or is not worth saying.
Buddist monks seek the altered states of conciousness sought by all members of the occult. Sure, there is a change in the brain to the so-called Alpha state which leaves one's mind open to demonic influence. "so-called Alpha state"? Nothing so-called about it, but then again, I'm sure you have disdain for "so-called" science as well.
I'm amazed to learn demons invade through electromagnetic influence, but only if we're in a "so-called" state. No more of that hocusy-pocusy magical bible stuff anymore. You folks can get downright goofy at times.
...When I pray my mind is focused on the Word of God, ... "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me a sinner", yep, them catliks and greeks sure don't understand the Word of God, even though that short phrase both sums up the entire gospel message and is found in a slightly different variant in the gospels itself, which that Jesus guy himself praised. I believe God protected me during my previous forays into "being one with the universe" and other such spiritual enterprises. I was spared the visions, trances, and visits from spirit guides that so many of my pals had. Today I thank God for this protection. He sure blessed you with the gift of Sanctimony though...in abundance.
BibleBeliever, I rejoice in your zeal for the Word of the Lord. But I will go out on a limb and predict that, a few more years into your Christian walk, your perspective will be somewhat broader. Grace be unto you and peace, from God our Lord and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Come on, Aaron, let's not get personal.
A 'Rule of Prayer' would be a oxymoron...the simplest prayer is best.
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