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Confessions of a car salesman

Saturday March 24, 2007

A couple of you have made combox reference to this incredible undercover account of a reporter who worked as a car salesman. I'm so glad you did. What a great piece. People, you need to read this to be prepared for the car-buying experience. I found this passage especially illuminating -- and it made me glad that I walked into the dealership with my Internet printouts from Edmunds.com, telling me what the invoice prices of the cars I was interested in were. Make the Internet work for you!:

Since I was still a "green pea" the other salesmen tried to push me to wait on undesirable ups — the undesirable customers who the salesmen thought wouldn't or couldn't qualify to buy a car. My manager had, at one point, described the different races and nationalities and what they were like as customers. It would be too inflammatory to repeat what he said here. But the gist of it was that the people of such-and-such nationality were "lie downs" (people who buy without negotiating), while the people of another race were "roaches" (they had bad credit), and people from that country were "mooches" (they tried to buy the car for invoice price).

I'll repeat what Michael, my ASM, told me about Caucasians . He said white people never come into the dealership. "They're all on the Internet trying to find out what our invoice price is. We never even get a shot at them. I hate it. I mean, would they go (to a mall) and say, 'What's your invoice price on that beautiful suit?' No. So why are they doing it here?"

I was already beginning to see the impact of the Internet because of something that happened during my first few days there. I was sent to the service department to talk to customers waiting for their cars to be fixed. Salespeople feel this is a good source of leads to buy new cars. Say a customer has just gotten nailed with a $2,000 quote for a transmission. Now's the time to move in and pitch the virtues of a new car.

There were typically a dozen or more people waiting for their cars to be serviced. They would either watch TV or read while they drank coffee and Cokes from the vending machines. I handed out my business card and chatted with a few people. One young guy was killing time by goofing around with his Palm Top computer. He was outfitted in designer jeans and a T-shirt, so I wasn't surprised to hear that he had just bought the radical new SUV our dealership sold. Michael had told me these vehicles were selling for over sticker prices, so I asked Mr. Palm Top how he made out.

"I got an awesome deal," he said.

"How awesome?"

"Three hundred below invoice," he smugly answered.

I asked how he did it. He said he checked prices on the Internet. He then called the fleet manager and made the deal over the phone.

I had a schizophrenic reaction to this. Part of me admired the fact that he had outfoxed the dealer. But the car salesman side of me was angry that I never "got a shot at him." It seemed like just a matter of time before people who, in the past, walked onto our car lot, would be on the Internet making deals.

The salesmen are only vaguely aware of this developing trend. I was standing on the curb next to George and we saw one of these high-demand SUVs ready for delivery.

"Another damn Internet sale," George said. "Why don't they turn that car over to us? We'd get a grand over sticker. Instead they're selling it at invoice. Does that make sense?" As the days passed I noticed more and more cars marked "carsdirect.com." And as I approached people on the car lot they often informed me that they were here to see the fleet manager. More Internet customers.


If you want to cut to the chase, and read the author's recommendations for how to buy a car, go here. But you owe it to yourself to read all that comes before.
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M.Z. Forrest
March 26, 2007 5:46 PM
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Susan, I don't want you to feel bad for negotiating a good deal, don't get me wrong. The couple in question were approaching retirement. He was looking for a good deal. We had an advertised sale. He got what he wanted. It was cute watching the Mrs. offer him a kiss when the car was delivered. This would have been a $30,000 deal. 10% may seem exhorbitant, but I feel absolutely no guilt over it. On the cheaper used end, it can get over 50%. There was only one used deal I regretted, but in those moments I have to remember that the buyer gets what he wants. If he didn't get it from me, he would have got it from someone else. I was competely honest in the transaction. I didn't like the car, the customer did. In the end, the biggest levelizer has been the banks owning the vehicles. No bank is going to offer conventional financing on a bad deal. Unfortunately with the subprime market, people are being taken advantage. I would personally like to see usurious practices regulated and eliminated. This is where the money is. I can't stand the practice. In the end, the reason I had to get out of car sales was that I could not place a vehicle purchase in that person's best interests. It is hard to sell a deal you don't believe in. As a saleman, you learn that you really don't pick the deals. The customer does in the end what they want.

Sarah
March 26, 2007 7:40 PM
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All I can say is I am sooo glad the only car I have had to buy was used, private sale. I paid for a mechanic's inspection while they got the smog check, letting the mechanic know that any required work would be done elsewhere. It was fine. I paid blue book by cashier's check, and that was it.
Every time I read something like this, I am glad all I need is a used car. Sarah

fbc
March 27, 2007 1:54 AM
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Sarah: I think it might have been the book, "The Millionaire Next Door" that disclosed your average millionaire buys slightly used cars, not new. If you're buying a slightly used car, you're being smart and responsible. I've bought exactly one new car in my life, my wife's 1997 Dodge Caravan. That was a stupid impulse move; I won't make that mistake again. But I'm still hoping to get my money's worth out of it. Check with me in 5 years or so and I'll let you know how it's going.

Aaron
March 27, 2007 3:43 PM
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M_David is right in his Bell Curv-y ruminations, though we aren't supposed to notice such things. And just one day later, Rod lashes his gifted tongue, the one he was born with superior to other segments of the population as he states above, towards the academic elitists, who supposedly were born to be better scientists than the common man.

SlickWillie
March 8, 2009 2:15 PM

Ok......So as a 21st century car salesman.....that works for a one price dealership.....which is the way the entire industry is moving.....no negotiation, etc...What people have to realize is that the biggest sales people in the automotive industry, work in the service department, or in your local repair shops. Car salesman give you what you want and that is all.....if you asked to get screwed....well then you get screwed...but with all the information on the internet at your disposal, and you still fall for the "jedi mind tricks" of a saleman....you deserve it for being so damn stupid.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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