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Thursday March 22, 2007

I deleted the Cardinal Mahony post from yesterday. I believe it is certainly possible to have a rational and respectful critical conversation about the Cardinal and related issues. But a couple of people cannot seem to do this without screaming...
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anon
March 22, 2007 7:11 PM
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Wow, a reference to Jack Chick! I haven't seen a "Chick Tract" in a long time. Are they still around?

GradualDazzle
March 22, 2007 7:24 PM
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I hope it wasn't me who spouted off... I wasn't trying to be inflammatory. If I was, I apologize. I haven't seen a Chick tract in ages, either, but I'm sure they're still published and distributed. There are plenty of people who still share those views. Not me, mind you...

IBreakCellPhones
March 22, 2007 7:36 PM
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Rod, delete this one if you want to, but if anyone wants to see Jack Chick's work regarding the Roman Catholic Church: Are Roman Catholics Christians? The Death Cookie Last Rites There are more, but Haloscan won't let me post a comment with that many links in it. So, you can see, he does not believe that Catholicism is true Christianity, he's not very nice about it, and if I understand correctly (I am not Catholic), pretty much every point he raises has been refuted.

~tv
March 22, 2007 8:48 PM
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Rod, Good decision. I'm never one to shy away from a good "scrap," but that was getting ugly - instead of beer and pizza is was broken bottles and poison.

Susan
March 22, 2007 8:58 PM
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Chick has a website where you can view this stuff to your heart's content. Google it, it's not hard to find. I'm a little sentimental about Jack Chick because back in the day, when my husband was commuting by train, he'd bring those little comics home. (People left them on the trains.) I found them very entertaining, and sometimes very funny.

Starrs
March 22, 2007 9:52 PM
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Honestly, to see people post about tat crap with notalgia is just depressing. Just as upsetting as being referred to as a "fundie moron".

Rod Dreher
March 22, 2007 10:25 PM
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I'm with Susan, though: they are weirdly compelling, in a train-wreck sort of way. But I don't think they were funny ... well, not ha-ha funny.

ignorant-redneck
March 22, 2007 10:57 PM
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Jack Chick tracts are alive and well, and I run across them from time to time. If they weren't so sad, they'de be funny

Susan
March 23, 2007 1:54 AM
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Chick tracts are....FERVID. Intense in a nut-case sort of way. Almost an art form of their own. Some of them are pretty well drawn, in the sense that some Noir films are pretty well made, but of course you have to have a taste for that kind of thing, and not everyone does. I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine anyone convinced of anything by them (except perhaps that Jack Chick, whoever he is, is certifiable) because they're so over the top. It's like you can't satirize the Rolling Stones because they're already doing it.
Ah well, no accounting for taste.

~tv
March 23, 2007 3:51 AM
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I know exactly what y'all mean about that fascinating appeal, especially the train-wreck aspect. There's something so lurid in the way they're so devastatingly IN THY FACE, but also kind of "funny" in the situational aspects of their storylines. Life does not operate the way Chick depicts. People do not fall into either a beatific or demonaic bucket. One must admire the sheer Black and White-ness of it. It's like Spy vs. Spy in Mad Magazine, but more twisted. That there are people who believe this is how the world works takes it from funny ha-ha to something darker, IMO. From personal experience, as an evangelizing tool they're not so good. Back in my LSU days when I was with a church called CLF, the college evangelizing teams would hit Chimes St. to hang out, meet people and invite them to visit the campus meeting on Wed. Some of the more zealous would bring Chick with them, and I gotta tell you - while people always took them, they did so for the kitsch, not for the theology. They'd pass them back and forth and act them out drunkenly, getting a good laugh. Not a very effective door-opener when trying to encourage them to take us seriously enough to come to church with us, you know? I'm personally glad that I don't see Chick around as much. It may be because of my location - North Dakota is largely Lutheran and Catholic, and neither are really "Chick Folk."

Rod Dreher
March 23, 2007 11:43 PM
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Back in my LSU days when I was with a church called CLF, the college evangelizing teams would hit Chimes St. to hang out, meet people and invite them to visit the campus meeting on Wed. Some of the more zealous would bring Chick with them, and I gotta tell you - while people always took them, they did so for the kitsch, not for the theology. I wonder if I was one of the Chimes Street drunks y'all evangelized...

Joseph D'Hippolito
March 25, 2007 12:43 AM
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The mere fact that Mahony continues to hold a major see speaks volumes about the corruption imbedded in Rome -- corruption that reaches all the way to the top. Let's be honest: Rome doesn't give a damn about the faithful, whether ordained or lay, and it certainly doesn't give a damn about God. All Rome cares about is its own power, prestige and image -- which has deservedly taken a beating for at least seven centuries, now. Mahony is merely a symptom of a far greater problem: an episcopal system that rewards careerists, isolates its members, encourages institutional arrogance, demands blind deference from subordinates and discourages accountability at every turn. Such a system is an abomination to a holy, righteous God. Such a system betrays the very principles of service laid down by Christ Himself in John 13. Do you think St. Peter -- a simple, blunt man who demanded that Cornelius stand up instead of kneel to pay him homage in Acts 10 -- would tolerate the sight of bishops acting like medieval potentates, dressed in lace and having their rings (and their asses) kissed?

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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