Crunchy Con

Toujours la France

Friday March 30, 2007

I imagine I'll get dogpiled for saying so, but I deeply love France, and all things French. I'm completely unreasonable on the subject. You can trash France all you like, and I might even agree with you, but it won't...
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Rawlins Gilliland
March 31, 2007 5:03 AM
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Those who do not love Paris cannot have been there. Its spell is visual poetry and unique enough to be not understood by those resistant when out of their element comfort zone. It is an earthly treasure that is easy to malign if life itself is hard to comprehend.
But alas, for we jaded souls who have placed their faith with malleable mortals: Here is your solace. There may not truly be a 'Compassionate Conservative' in the White House, or an Attorney General who would (quoting Rod) "erect any sort of firewall between the White House and the Justice Department". But ye of little faith, behold; As a (National Endowment for the Arts) poet myself, Rod proves that there ARE romantic Republican male poets. Any man so in love 10 years later that he speaks of his wife as though he was 20 and in love for the first time is a man worth following. After all, who knows what he'll be like when he's all grown up? Vive l'amour!

PixarFanAndCrunchyCon
March 31, 2007 5:50 AM
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Hi Rod, You happen to talk about Paris and life there and those restaurants at a time when Pixar released their new mouth-watering trailer for "Ratatouille". This is coming to theaters in June and I can't wait. Trailer here: http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/ratatouille/ Paris and every little detail of a Parisian kitchen recreated on the computer. An amazing story. Ok, I am excited. (Enjoyed your post too - I took my soul mate to another European capital before we tied the knot). Thanks and have a good Holy Week!

Derek Copold
March 31, 2007 5:57 AM
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When I was in the Air Force, we'd refuel in Portiers on the way to Spain from Germany. An old man would always give our crew free bread out of gratitude for the Liberation. This is forty years after World War II ended. In fact, every time we landed on a French air base, we were greeted by a number of friendly servicemen, eager to trade patches and stickers. The idea that the French are stuck up or reflexively anti-American is nonsense.

PEG
March 31, 2007 10:09 AM
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I actually know La Table du P rigord! It is a great restaurant! Yes, sometimes in Paris you can be happy wie Gott im Frankreich, but it is disenheartening to think sometimes that all France is to some foreigners is good food and romanticism.

Starrs
March 31, 2007 12:44 PM
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I too love France, and many things about the French, but do not have the passion for Paris. I guess I just prefer cities of some smaller scale like Lyon. I must point out, though Rod, that the one thing I despise about France is the virulent anti-Americanism, soemthing taught by the state media. Let's face it: if this nation had been dead-set against the Iraq War, de Villepin and Chirac would have been just as adamantly for the war. I have never thought consistency high on the French list of priorities. That said, I have a daube to get going for this afternoon!

Gretchen
March 31, 2007 2:34 PM
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I must admit to a love affair with French wines, French cooking, French Poodles, the French chef Babette (from the film Babette's Feast), and the Belgian Hercule Poirot--thrown in for good measure.

Rod Dreher
March 31, 2007 4:19 PM
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all France is to some foreigners is good food and romanticism. Yes, but that can be deliriously fulfilling!

Burlap Bagg
March 31, 2007 5:47 PM
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Rod, Do you think your being from the Deep South has anything to do with your loving France and especially Paris. I'm also from the Deep South (Georgia) and am also deeply in love with a foreign country (the UK) and especially a certain city there (London). For me it has something to do with my "Southerness" always being somehow impermissable in other parts of the U. S. and especially in the major cities (New York, DC, LA, and San Francisco are the ones where I've spent the most time). Feeling like a foreigner in parts of my own country has made it easier for me to find a home-away-from-home somewhere else country. What about you? What about others here? PS: My sister (also from Georgia) is the Francophile in our family, though she's married to a Brit.

Burlap Bagg
March 31, 2007 5:50 PM
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Woops. Typo-alert. Omit the "country" from the end of my second sentence from the last. Thanks.

Maclin Horton
March 31, 2007 7:02 PM
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I wonder if the appearance of "freedom fries" might not have signalled the intellectual collapse of the Republican administration and many of its supporters.

Starrs
March 31, 2007 7:07 PM
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That WAS embarassing, Maclin.

Joe Marier
March 31, 2007 7:26 PM
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Since noone is actually dogpiling on Rod for his comments about France, I will say this: First of all, I hope there is a distinction between Rod's love of France, and Tom Flemings quote, "I respect and admire the French, who have been a far greater nation than we shall ever be, that is, if greatness means anything loftier than money and bombs." And I will also say that France's policy on Iraq may have been wise, but it was also opportunistic and cynical.

Grumpy Old Man
March 31, 2007 8:14 PM
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A few weeks before Nancy and I were to go to Paris, she slipped and broke her ankle. We got married anyway. Unlike Bogart and Bergman, we've never had Paris, but it's been 17 years. Ou sont les neiges d'antan? Ils ne existent que dans les r ves."

St. Irenaeus
March 31, 2007 9:07 PM
pomoconservative.blogspot.com

"Back during the days leading up to the Iraq War, when idiots were pouring French wine down sewer drains..." I mean, how hard would it be to remove the label or make a fake label on the computer or something. Goodness, what a waste.

FrankM
March 31, 2007 10:37 PM
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I believe anti-French sentiment is really a subtle anti-Catholicism. The magical place Rod describes could only have grown from the Faith of the ages. Contrast the beauty of France with the ugly, materialistic, sterile, bastard step clild of Calvinism and the Enlightenment, the good old USA.

Joe Marier
March 31, 2007 10:51 PM
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Charming, Frank. Hating your country is so authentically Catholic!

fbc
March 31, 2007 11:31 PM
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Frank's absolutely correct, as any long look around Dallas, Houston, etc., etc. will tell you. Ugly urban sprawl everywhere.
I love Washington D.C. because it is so unlike any other American city.

colonelalp
April 1, 2007 3:58 AM
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Maybe I've misread history; I had once thought that Calvin WAS French.

Bill H
April 1, 2007 4:22 AM
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Those who do not love Paris cannot have been there. Been there half a dozen times, still don't like it. Of course, I also don't like New York either. Actually, I have a profound distate for just about any city that people insist I'm supposed to like. I too love France, and many things about the French, but do not have the passion for Paris. I guess I just prefer cities of some smaller scale like Lyon. I have nothing but good things to say about the smaller towns that I've visited in France and about the time that I spent as an exchange student in Lyon.

trotsky
April 1, 2007 8:11 AM
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On my honeymoon in Paris (where my new bride, on her first trip to the City of Lights, had a terrible case of the flu) and the Loire Valley, the locals could not have been more gracious and friendly. Precisely one shopkeeper made a passing jab at les anglosaxones. However, it helps immensely if you speak the language. French is much harder to pronounced than anyone realizes until they actually try to order a drink in a real cafe, and the French think the same thing about English. I'll take California wine any day, though, and the French themselves would understand my nationalism in this regard.

Rod Dreher
April 1, 2007 4:39 PM
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True, trotsky: I found that the French are vastly easier to deal with if you at least try to speak their language, and work to be amusingly self-deprecating when you fail.

trotsky
April 1, 2007 7:01 PM
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My all-time favorite language barrier moment came when I tried to buy a pack of Marlboro cigarettes at a tabac, and the proprietor had no idea what I was trying to say. After the fifth or sixth repetition of "Marlboro" in varying accents, finger-pointing finally accomplished the task, and the owner exclaimed, "Ah, Marlboro!" as if it were a great epiphany.

Reader John
April 1, 2007 8:06 PM
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Starrs writes: "I must point out, though Rod, that the one thing I despise about France is the virulent anti-Americanism ...." It's a dirty job, but somebody has to be the antidote to messianic Americanism.

Starrs
April 1, 2007 11:50 PM
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Reader John, wouldn't you be more comfortable over on the Jimmy Carter blog? www.blameamericafirst.com Besides, in what way is teaching hatred the "antidote" of a god complex?

Mark
April 2, 2007 3:40 PM
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Calvin was Swiss

Bill
April 2, 2007 4:25 PM
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I'm with Rod. Its a shame that, among so many of us culturally conservative Americans, there is a ridiculous bias against Europe and Europeans. The conventional "wisdom" within the evangelical community is that Europe is totally godless and therefore virtually anything European (and especially French) must be rejected in favor of things American (and therefore more godly). But then we visit Europe and find that, in many ways, they live so much better than we do. Their food. Their towns and cities, and in so many ways their way of life, seem more godly than the godawful ghettos of evangelical "culture" in the US. My daughter lived in French-speaking Switzerland for a year recently, and found much to value. Sure, there are things about Europe that a Christian should reject (euthanasia, porn in the open, the decline of marriage, the drop in church attendance, etc), but there is still a Christian core to Europe that I admire. My daughter attended a Reformed church in Switzerland which had a very small but very dedicated congregation. They didn't waste time on the seeker-sensitive junk that dominates so many American churches. They seemed to walk their talk in a way that we Yanks have forgotten. And the Christian bookstores in Switzerland were crammed with real books, not the pop Christianity drivel that dominates the "Christian booklists" in the US. And all the stores close on Sunday!!!!!!!! (And yes, Calvin made Protestant Switzerland quite a place!)

Nick the Greek
April 2, 2007 5:30 PM
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"The conventional 'wisdom' within the evangelical community is that Europe is totally godless and therefore virtually anything European (and especially French) must be rejected in favor of things American (and therefore more godly)." Well, the Antichrist is European. Haven't you read the Left Behind books? ;)

Stephanie
April 2, 2007 7:28 PM
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What a lovely post! I share your love of all things French...especially my French husband, lol. We got married in a tiny town in Burgundy, and honeymooned in Paris. It was bliss...we should be returning this fall for a family wedding. I can't WAIT!!!!

S.K. Davis
April 2, 2007 8:10 PM
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I love Paris, too. I happened to be there when the Iraq War started, and saw the huge antiwar demonstration that started at the Place de la Concorde and went up the Champs Elysee. Strangely enough, it was that demonstration that made me in favor of the war at that time--of course I expected the anti-Americanism, but I just could not comprehend the enthusiastic support of Saddam Hussein exhibited by many of the protesters.
It was on that same trip that it was brought home to me that Parisians really aren't rude to Americans. Heaven knows that the people I encountered put up with my faulty French and were unfailingly pleasant and helpful.
It's spring. I want to go back!

Joe Marier
April 2, 2007 9:41 PM
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I might as well point out, Rod, that you did not get dogpiled in the comments for your love of France. I think your audience has changed...

Bococo Fittleworth
April 2, 2007 9:59 PM
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If you don't think Paris was made for love / Give Paris one more chance

ScurvyOaks
April 3, 2007 4:53 AM
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Well said, Rod. The French have delusions of continuing geopolitical greatness, which can have quite annoying results, but I have never stopped loving that country, its people and its products. My wife and I spent 2 weeks in Provence last summer, renting an apartment in a tiny and very old hilltop village. It was the trip of a lifetime. Best food ever, very good and inexpensive wine from the region, and the nicest people you could meet. My French was once pretty good (two summers in Paris during college, the second of them working at ELF Acquitaine) but has deteriorated considerably. Still, my game attempts to speak their beautiful language were rewarded with great friendliness. And I agree that A Moveable Feast is irresistible, especially when you read it as a young man.

Ed Darrell
April 6, 2007 5:55 AM
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You're right -- we should be more circumspect in rejecting advice from our friends in Paris. Americans and French have been partners in freedom and liberation for more than 200 years.
Only people with little sense of what the world is about, and perhaps not enough romance in them to appreciate kissing a pretty girl on a bridge, would have done what the Bushies did. Freedom fries? No, they are French fries, or pomme frites in French (and German!). There is more freedom in calling them by their proper name than in making crude, inaccurate and silly jokes about Frenchmen in order to convince ourselves we don't have to listen to them. Especially now, four years later, when it is so clear they were right.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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