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Wednesday April 25, 2007

Well now:WASHINGTON, April 24 — Melamine, the chemical suspected in the deaths of pets around the country, was in food given to hogs and chickens in several states, and the Food and Drug Administration is trying to determine if the...
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Rich
April 26, 2007 1:56 AM
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This story is as much a condemnation of unrestricted trade with China as it is of factory farming.

Victor Morton
April 26, 2007 6:06 AM
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Need I point out that prior to the industrialization of farming ... farms and the food supply were, by every objective standard, LESS clean, LESS healthy and LESS safe? (Oh ... and less food was readily available too.) The complaints of today merely reflect our differing standards of tolerable risk and expectations of health and cleanliness.

HASH(0xab62d04)
April 26, 2007 1:54 PM
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Interesting thing came our recently from a journal called, The Progressive Grocer. It seems 75% of consumers no longer believe that our food supply is no longer safe. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

HASH(0xab62bfc)
April 26, 2007 1:55 PM
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Ok, not enough coffee. . that should read: It seems 75% of consumers believe that our food supply is no longer safe.

Christine
April 26, 2007 3:20 PM
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Need I point out that prior to the industrialization of farming ... farms and the food supply were, by every objective standard, LESS clean, LESS healthy and LESS safe? (Oh ... and less food was readily available too.) I disagree. Growing up in the 50's and 60's I don't recall ever hearing about the problems in our food supply that keep cropping up today. Further, who knows what the American diet, with its high protein, hormone and chemically-laced meat, dairy and egg supply is doing to the sensitive reproduction systems of young girls. It is the opinion of sound medical science that the younger girls begin puberty (which is accelerating in the west) the higher their risk of cancer later. Aside from all the health considerations, factory farming is inhumane and environmentally destructive. There's no getting around it. Encouraging Americans to stop gluttoning on fast food, eating more fruits, grains, vegetables and moderate amounts of lean protein raised in a healthy environment would be the better way to go. I sorely miss the local farmer's markets in Europe where my relatives and I would shop when I visited.

Pauli
April 26, 2007 5:58 PM
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Christine: Growing up in the 50's and 60's I don't recall ever hearing about the problems in our food supply that keep cropping up today. Not even on CNN? Wait a second... CNN wasn't around back then, was it? Neither were a lot of other news outlets. Could that have something to do with why you don't recall breathless reporting on every tiny little incident? One wonders.

Starrs
April 26, 2007 6:07 PM
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Pauli, she does have a point, I think, in that so much of the food Americans consume is so processed, filtered, manufactured, etc. that we end up eating not cheese but "cheese-product". What the heck is that? One of the contaminants that found its way into dog food came not through rice, but through some kind of gawd-awful 'rice protein'.
It's not the chicken from a big-name producer per se that bothers me: it's what the growers have pumped into the bird - that's out of their control, too - that worries me. Precisely because I don't think we have any idea half the time of what's in it.

Christine
April 26, 2007 6:13 PM
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Precisely because I don't think we have any idea half the time of what's in it. Exactly. And had consumer advocates not pushed for it, do you really think agribusiness would have voluntarily begun food labeling so that we would know the nutrition content of the products we buy?

dad29
April 26, 2007 6:26 PM
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Umnnnhhh..."artificial" or not, the critters are grown and processed under FDA standards, meaning that they do NOT contain melamine. At least, until PRChina got involved in the supply-chain. I'll go with #1 above: the condemnation rests w/Red China. By the way: that spinach problem was a result of "natural" fertilization--cow poop got into the soil. Go ahead, tell me that the spinach problem was perfectly fine with you.

Grumpy Old Man
April 26, 2007 8:35 PM
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I suspect the food supply today is less infectious than it was 150 years ago, mostly due to refrigeration.
It's probably also more contaminated with antibiotics, additives, etc. that may not be (statistically) that dangerous but cumulatively may be problems. Farm-factories with organic parts are inhumane, and don't support face-to-face communities as smaller-scale farming did. They are also a form monoculture, and so very vulnerable to things like new diseases (bird flu, anyone?) and other environmental changes. The ideal might be a combination of high tech and small-scale production, the bicycle perhaps being the best example. How to achieve this without coercion is far from clear to me.

mar lup
April 26, 2007 10:58 PM
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I won't laugh, it's one of the best things about you. This is _real_ ethical action, not airy-fairy allegiance to myths and rituals.

Rich
April 27, 2007 7:13 AM
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Victor Early industrialization of food production actually made the food supply worse. Look at food-borne illness rates at the turn of the 20th century. Modern pasteurization requirements are a direct result of child deaths from industrial milk production. Or read Sinclair's "The Jungle" on meat production around 1900. Our current relatively safe food supply is largely the results of a century of government regulation and public health measures.

dbkenner
April 27, 2007 3:08 PM
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"Our current relatively safe food supply is largely the results of a century of government regulation and public health measures." No doubt some of this public regulations was beneficial. But much of it benefited the larger food producers (who could absorb the costs of regulation)at the expense of the smaller, local ones. And some of this regulation was in response to industrial food production, i.e., a way to make a bad system work and smooth off the rough edges. In other words, absent the rush to factory farming and chemical-dependent livestock, the particular regulation would not have been needed. Remember: this century of regulation helped get us where we are. And while where we are is not terrible, there are many, and increasing, downsides.
In California I can walk into a store and buy unpasteurized milk, cow or goat. Try that in "free enterprise" Texas!

Rich
April 27, 2007 5:55 PM
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dbkenner Good points. A great example of regulations designed to help big producers are the regs that resulted from the mad cow scare. BSE testing is pretty cheap. Small producers wanted to test every cow. Large producers opposed it. Well, USDA finally weighed in squarely on the side of large producers. So now small beef producers are not even allowed to do testing.

Pauli
April 27, 2007 8:06 PM
http://contrapauli.blogspot.com

...that we end up eating not cheese but "cheese-product".... But "we" don't eat "cheese-product" in my family, whatever that is. And we buy organic whenever we can. I stand by my remark; the frenzied over-reporting distorts any comparison between the present and the past in regards to scare stories. That's one reason why so many of us shrug off Crunchy Conservatism. It's based too much on anecdotal impressions which ignore the distortive effect of the 24-hour (bad) news cycle.

Different_But_Equal
April 27, 2007 8:08 PM
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Huh. Yet another reason I'm glad I went vegetarian. Ethics, money, and health--a three-in-one deal! There are further health problems tied to eating meat: http://www.vivavegie.org/vvi/pdf/101.2001.pdf
Sources are at the bottom. Sorry, couldn't help myself...

Victor Morton
April 27, 2007 11:02 PM
http://cinecon.blogspot.com

Early industrialization of food production actually made the food supply worse. Compared to what? What went before? Hardly. (And "The Jungle" is only a comparative work if you have a jones for Tolstoy's Noble Peasant.)
Modern pasteurization requirements are a direct result of child deaths from industrial milk production. Milk didn't rot or have dangerous microorganisms in 1885? Sorry ... but this is just rubbish history that confuses the occasion of a thing for the cause of a thing. Yes, the specific regulations on the food supply came as a result of muckraking against industrial food production (made possible by another "new thing" of the late-19th century -- the mass media). But that doesn't mean either (1) that earlier food produced "more naturally" was safer (it probably wasn't, simply because cleanliness generally and preservation means/technology were so incomparably inferior), or (2) that the specific hazards of industrial food production (solvable through regulation and technology) weren't worth the trade off gained in modern times' far greater abundance and reliability.
Our current relatively safe food supply is largely the results of a century of government regulation and public health measures. You forgot technology, which allows regulations to be met and more-stringent ones to be passed (how DOES one measure the allowable amount of rat shit in nonindustrial food) and is actually far more important in re general public-health. But more importantly, these regulations and measures are only tolerable in a society so rich and with food so abundant that it can afford the inefficiencies that they produce.

Rich
April 28, 2007 8:20 PM
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Victor What was different in the early years of industrialization was that bacteria could be much more widely spread. Before that, milk from one sick cow may have sickened a few families who used it. Industrialization meant that the sick cows milk went into a vat with milk from a few dozen healthy cows contaminating it all. Suddenly you were having city-wide outbreaks of food-borne illnesses. Sure, technology was a big help. Pasteurization, better preservation, and veternary antibiotics were probably the biggest improvements for food safety. But it was often regulatory measures that forced wide spread use of these tools. I'm no statist. I'm well aware of how quickly government can screw things up. But public food safety measures over the last century have generally done more good than harm.

Mark Adams
April 28, 2007 10:13 PM
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But public food safety measures over the last century have generally done more good than harm. Rich, I saw nothing in Victor's writings to indicate that he was opposed to government safety regulations. If fact he seems to support them (e.g. "the specific hazards of industrial food production (solvable through regulation and technology").

Therese
April 29, 2007 2:32 AM
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This was so predictable. Wheat gluten is in so many products. The next place they will find it is as an additive in human foods.
We would do well to pay more for organic food and eat less food. Heathy diets and less obesity -- win-win situation. Plus better wages for US farmers and the immigrants who work their fields.

stefanie
April 29, 2007 2:37 PM
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I'm not laughing. But I think we have more to be concerned about than just meat, as this section of the article shows: [The FDA] was expanding testing of imported ingredients and finished products that contain cornmeal, soy protein, rice bran and corn gluten. Those ingredients can be used to make many products, including breads, pastas, pizza dough, baby formulas, protein shakes and energy bars. That to me is the real kicker with this melamine contamination - is it in the thousands of refined-grain products that fill the "middle aisles" of grocery stores?
How much kidney disease in humans is related to possible melamine food contamination?
The China connection bothers me, too. If this were an American company that contaminated a food ingredient, they'd already be sued into bankruptcy. Instead, we don't even know where this garbage came from - the company connections are tenuous. Nor is there any criticism of China (our wonderful trade partner.) This one stinks for so many more reasons than simply sick dogs and cats.

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