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Goodbye bees, goodbye us?

Friday April 27, 2007

Via Andrew Sullivan, here's part of David Byrne's posting on the great bee disappearance afoot worldwide now:According to Einstein we’ve got a little over 4 years. Here’s a quote from him: "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the...
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mm
April 28, 2007 1:51 AM
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Having read "The Secret Life of Bees" a year or two ago, I theorize they all got busted and are laying low for now. Seriously though, there's lots of speculation about their curious absence. I've heard everything from fungus to cell phone transmission waves.

Victor Morton
April 28, 2007 1:55 AM
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same as it ever was ... same as it ever was ...

Dean
April 28, 2007 2:07 AM
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Rod, I'm about two-thirds of the way through your book.
Given what I've read there, I'm surprised you'd be reluctant to believe generically engineered crops could cause this effect. I'm certainly not saying Frankenfood is the reason for the bees vanishing, but I do know, and this is a pretty clear principle in your writing, that we can't screw around with nature without running into unexpected consequences. So, though no one seems to be able to explain this odd development, unnatural farming practices including genetically engineered crops certainly seem suspicous to me.

watsy
April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
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I'm worried about the bees. I thought that the cause was known. It's some sort of mite. I wish that I had time to look this up right now, but I don't. I was reading....something....can't remember....I'm thinking....It had to do with the discovery of this mite in Hawaii, and the article linked the mite to the killing of the bees.
Now I'm going to have to look it up. It's going to drive me nuts.

Steve Bodio
April 28, 2007 2:22 AM
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Here are some thoughts: http://stephenbodio.blogspot.com/2007/04/bee-crisis.html

watsy
April 28, 2007 2:22 AM
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It didn't take that long. http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/features/science/20070426_ap_destructivemitethreatenshawaiibees.html

Joey
April 28, 2007 3:02 AM
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Ugh. We need the bees? What about mosquitoes? Can we still live without them? (It's nearing Florida summertime.) God bless.

Gretchen
April 28, 2007 3:11 AM
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I was talking to a local beekeeper in NY the other day. He said that the native bees are fine, but that the bees imported from Georgia or other states down south are the ones that are disappearing up here.

Eric Anondson
April 28, 2007 3:12 AM
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Bees are not the only source of pollination for plants, much less agriculture. As I recall from a TV show recently on the subject, honey bees are not even the majority of insects that provide pollination. Plants were being pollinated in for millennia before the honey bees were tended by man. There are wild bees out there too. Also, this isn't the first time honey bees have had catastrophic depopulating. It happened before in the 1910s and the 1940s.

Scott Walker
April 28, 2007 3:30 AM
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Hype. Hype. Hype. Can we all agree that honey is good and that bees are useful. That said, honeybees are not native to North America, and somehow pollination happened without them for many millions of years before their introduction by European colonists. Chase the links upthread posted by Steve Bodio and relax a bit; a well-known Oregon seed company (Territorial) has been selling Mason bees for pollinators, due to declining honeybee populations, for several years, long before David Byrne ever heard of the problem. If everybody can settle down and let evolution happen, mite-resistant honybee populations will rebound.

SteveM
April 28, 2007 3:52 AM
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I made my internet environment a Sullivan/Derbyshire free zone. One's a pedestrian middle-brow posing as a smarmy self indulgent pseudo-intellectual, and the other is a pedestrian middle-brow posing as a smarmy self indulgent pseudo-intellectual. It's amazing how much an English accent can validate the idle musings as an indolent dilettante. (I.e., a guy whose doesn't actually work for a living. Yet has an expectation of a subsidized life-style simply because he is just so brilliant in his own mind.)

Starrs
April 28, 2007 4:22 AM
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One of our friends keeps bees and she told us, as Eric mentioned above, that it has happened before and seems to be part of a cycle. I do know that some of the states here are researching why bees are disappearing from some regions more than others but so far without conclusion or real hypothesis. Too soon to be looking for scapegoats.

cs
April 28, 2007 4:34 AM
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From what I have read, the mites (recently discovered in Hawaii) have been around for a while, and are apparently a separate phenomenon than the "colony collapse disorder" currently bewildering people. I hope they can find what is causing the problem. Speculation ranges from cellphone interference to weakness in commercially produced and transported hives. As has been noted by others, there are wild bees of many types to assist in pollination. I like honey, so here's hoping it is resolved soon.

AnotherBeliever
April 28, 2007 4:35 AM
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Sounds like a sci-fi plot.
But seriously, I have also heard that there were bees native to this continent long before Europeans arrived with the Honey Bee. These native bees don't live in hives at all. They are still around, but they would likely need some coaxing to return to their former ecological niche, as they have been crowded out by Honey Bees and by a lack of ground cover due to urban and clear-cut areas.
It may be hype, but if the Honey Bee population falters, it may take some active work on our part to fill in the gaps.

Irenaeus
April 28, 2007 6:04 AM
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I have heard that Einstein never said this -- it's a false attribution. Can anyone clarify?

Eric W
April 28, 2007 6:14 AM
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What ... are ... we ... Orthodox ... going ... to ... do ... for ... candles ... if ... all ... the ... bees ... go ... away ...?

godisaheretic
April 28, 2007 7:29 AM
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Einstein? this would bee his formula: bee = mc(squared)... it makes perfect sense to get into a panic about a potential ecological crisis over the words of a physicist... faith hope love joy bees to all...

Steve Bodio
April 28, 2007 3:29 PM
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I should add: there is no "the bee", nor are there just one or two native species. In New Mexico alone there are over SIX HUNDRED native bee species, none prone to Verroa as far as we know, plus mite- resistant feral Africanized bees of the same species (but another race) as the domestic honeybee, which are thriving. For the last couple of years I have worked on and off with a scientist who is attempting to census the species of the state, and she says it will be her lifetime work.

Urban homesteader
April 28, 2007 3:50 PM
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That Einstein quote was debunked by Snopes awhile back.
There sure aren't a lot of people growing their own vegetable plots anymore, are there? Anyone who's ever had a little kitchen garden knows (a) Not all food plants are insect-pollinated; corn, for example, is wind-pollinated and tomato flowers are specially designed to pollinate themselves. (b) Not all insect-pollinated food plants rely on bees. Many orchardists are in a bit of a pickle, but the rest of our food supply is more or less fine. Even the plants that do normally rely on bees, such as squash, are very easy to hand-pollinate with a paintbrush. Most gardeners do that anyway so the seeds will breed true. If bees disappear from farms, it might mean that we go back to needing a larger percentage of the population working in agriculture and a much bigger supply of paintbrushes, but that's pretty much the worst-case scenario.

Scot
April 28, 2007 4:03 PM
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I actually keep bees (only two hives as I'm still stuck in the suburbs or as the Clash might say "Lost in the Supermarket"). I lost both my hives this year. One died off I'm thinking in mid-winter when we in the Great Lakes suffered a week-and-a-half of frigid temperatures. The other, I had fed twice in March and they seemed to be doing fine, I went to check on them last Saturday and they were all dead. They had food, their numbers seemed ok, the queen had even laid a few eggs, but they're all dead. That's the first time I've lost both hives.
This could all be attributed to mismanagement on my part, bad conditions, or CCD--I don't know. I do know that honey bees (apis mellifera) contribute to pollinating fully 1/3 of all our agricultural products. Bats, butterflies, bumblebees, and some others contribute, but for sheer concentrated volume the honey bee gets the job done. Goodbye apples and almonds if they disappear.

David J. White
April 28, 2007 4:55 PM
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That Einstein quote was debunked by Snopes awhile back. No surprise. I hadn't realize that being a physicist automatically made one an expert in apiculture.

David J. White
April 28, 2007 4:56 PM
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*realized

connie
April 28, 2007 9:25 PM
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The mite infestation has been going on for several years; beekeepers would open their hives and find dead bees. The current die-off is different, in that the bees are just . . . gone. Something (GM crops?) is confusing them so they get lost and can't return to their hives.

MJ
April 29, 2007 3:44 AM
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We seem to have a fascination with bees. All through junior high (thirty years ago) and beyond I heard about swarms of killer bees, coming up from Mexico, ready to attack us all ... now we don't have enough bees. Enough with the bees already!

CourageMan
April 29, 2007 8:43 AM
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The "killer bee swarms" stories were racist manifestations of white fear of the African, as hyper-physical Other (hence the emphasis on the number of stings the "Africanized" bees would supposedly use, a parallel to white myths and fears of black male promiscuity). This has actually been argued with a straight face.

Jim
April 29, 2007 3:51 PM
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I'm wondering why no one thinks about the impact of insecticides. We've been spraying bugs like mad for many years, and bees ARE bugs, right? I love bees and hate mosquitos. What's a guy to do?

David J. White
April 29, 2007 5:07 PM
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I think our fascination with bees goes back quite awhile. See the fourth book of Vergil's Georgics. I think it's because bees live in societies that seem, in some ways, to serve as an analogue for human societies. (So do ants, but it was a lot harder for the ancients to observe ants.)

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April 30, 2007 1:31 AM
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Courageman, It was an Eddie Murphy routine.

Alicia
April 30, 2007 8:40 PM
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I like this quote from David Byrne's column: "Would a civilization commit suicide? You bet they would they ve done it all the time. I read Jared Diamond s book Collapse and, sure enough, according to him culture and greed trump common sense and reason every time although in many cases it took a disaster like a drought or war to push things over the tipping point." Unfortunately, all of my life experience bears this out. Perhaps it's simply part of human nature to ignore the sword(s) that are hanging over our civilization and pretend we aren't headed for disaster on many fronts. When I read about the run-up to WWI and WWII, the picture seems quite similar.
Sooner or later, the borrowed time we have been living on will run out.

CourageMan
May 1, 2007 8:17 AM
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Courageman, It was an Eddie Murphy routine. It may have been, though I don't remember it and I'm a Murphy fan from way back (gooney-googoo). But the thesis nevertheless has been argued with a straight face. Don't make me dig up the footnotes, I know whereof I speak. What that fact says about the comedy of a pomo-drunk university and "activist" circles is not a subject on which I will speculate.

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