Oh my. Bob Novak reports that Bush has tunneled down deep and is not, not, not going to abandon Gonzales, no matter how much it costs him:Such derision of Gonzales is viewed by Bush as the arrogance of Washington, and...
This reminds me why the Civil Service Act was passed. Public servants must put the country first, and if don't, they endanger our system and our democracy.
Clare Krishan
April 27, 2007 11:08 AM
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After watching a rebroadcast of "ENRON: The Smartest Guys in the Room" http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/enron/ my husband was not amused, indeed appalled, when I reminded him where Al Gonzales worked before he became acquainted with GW ... that's right, as counsel for ENRON (take what comfort you can from the lessons he learned there).
harvey lacey
April 27, 2007 1:06 PM
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I see the best evidence of our President's incompetence in his job is his depending upon friendship over competence in those he chooses to work with him. A person can be very moral, a great human being, a true friend, and a failure as a boss. Our President evidently hasn't learned that. We only need to look at Gonzales, Meirs, Rumsfeld, and Cheney to see our President's feet of clay extend six inches above his hairline.
Rod Dreher
April 27, 2007 1:59 PM
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Who was it who said that vice is often virtue in isolation, taken to an extreme? Sounds like Chesterton, who if he said it, surely did so far more eloquently. Still, it's a point. Loyalty is normally virtuous, but when adhered to as an end in itself, rather than as a means to the Good, it can become vice. In the president's case, a self-destructive one.
pchuck
April 27, 2007 2:48 PM
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Rod Dreher, the Andrew Sullivan who likes girls. Calm you pretty little head down and finish shopping at Wild Oats for those overpriced organic corn nibblets. I've read your stuff since you were pro-Bush and even back then I thought you were overly excitable. You lack historical perspective. You reaction to both major and minor things is an overreaction that borders on a hissy fit. You really should adhere to the rule of writing something and then letting it rest for a day before you post it.
Hunk Hondo
April 27, 2007 3:08 PM
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Bush's loyalty has a strong whiff of vanity about it. If he lets people like El Bufon go, he'll be admitting that his critics were right. For him, that's the worst thing that can possibly happen. Better that the country should be effectively without an AG for the balance of his term. If you've ever wondered what Churchill would have been like with an IQ in double digits, look no farther than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The guy has all of Churchill's obstinacy without his frontal lobes. And, of course, Gonzales himself isn't loyal to Bush at all. If he were, he would have left of his own accord and relieved his chief of an albatross.
Bugg
April 27, 2007 3:40 PM
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Dry Drunk Bush conquered booze, so he thinks he can do just about anything if he puts his mind to it. Clinton's self-pity pscyhe was just an opening act for this current idiocy. Bush's epitaph- "GREAT JOB, BROWNIE!"
Joey
April 27, 2007 5:05 PM
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"Who was it who said that vice is often virtue in isolation, taken to an extreme? Sounds like Chesterton, who if he said it, surely did so far more eloquently. Still, it's a point. Loyalty is normally virtuous, but when adhered to as an end in itself, rather than as a means to the Good, it can become vice. In the president's case, a self-destructive one." I have to kind of agree with this point. Obviously, hiring and keeping people who are bad at their jobs, but loyal to you, is a bad governmental strategy; but if nothing else, I kind of have to admire the fact that the president will show loyalty back, and not just expect it from others. Not that I'm justifying anything, I'm just saying. God bless.
Simon
April 27, 2007 5:32 PM
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Excessive focus on personal loyalty was a fault of Bush '41. But the younger Bush has taken it to a ridiculous extreme. Whether or not it's fair to call GWB "another Jimmy Carter," politically that's exactly what he's become. As with Carter, there's now a large majority of the public that won't listen to him and won't respect him no matter what happens from here on out. And as long as the Republican Party is saddled with this President and this fiasco of a war, it's going to lose.
Kathleen
April 27, 2007 6:38 PM
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Well on thing is for sure. Every administration from here on forward will clear the decks of all positions that 'serve at the request of the president'.
cs
April 27, 2007 8:29 PM
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My initial response is- Jimmy Carter? Oh Nooooooo.... Ha Ha. Seriously, I do see the point (isolation, lack of influence, etc.) The political point is there. On many other areas, there is a marked contrast. Such as, I don't know, the economy, foreign policy, energy policy, military issues....
Bugg
April 28, 2007 3:52 PM
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KIm- Bush has often made the point that he stopped drinking by embracing Christianity. Now that's a very good thing. Bush strongly believes he did it through his own sheer will, without help of anyone else(spare God)-no 12 stepping, no psychology, no therapy of any kind. Problem becomes that he really believes he can do anything he puts his mind to, and that he knows better than anyone else. But at his core he has never really dealt with the reasons why he was an alcoholic. It wasn't so apparent during 2000 or 2004(or may be the opponents were do awful, waht difference would it have made?), but some of his speeches now reek of "I'm the President! I KNOW better than any of you!" arrogance. On immigration, his spiel about "Iraqis yearning the breath free!", the Miers apppintment, his holding fast to hacks like Brown and Gonzalez. Bush doesn't deal with adversity, he just ignores it and keeps going. It's clear anyone bringing in a divergent or contrary opinion to Bush is either ignored or gone.
Sarasotakid
April 29, 2007 6:46 PM
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"Whether or not it's fair to call GWB "another Jimmy Carter," politically that's exactly what he's become." I think that comparing W with Jimmy Carter is grossly unfair to Carter. President Carter was not an effective politician but at least he had brain waves.
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This reminds me why the Civil Service Act was passed. Public servants must put the country first, and if don't, they endanger our system and our democracy.
After watching a rebroadcast of "ENRON: The Smartest Guys in the Room" http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/enron/ my husband was not amused, indeed appalled, when I reminded him where Al Gonzales worked before he became acquainted with GW ... that's right, as counsel for ENRON (take what comfort you can from the lessons he learned there).
I see the best evidence of our President's incompetence in his job is his depending upon friendship over competence in those he chooses to work with him. A person can be very moral, a great human being, a true friend, and a failure as a boss. Our President evidently hasn't learned that. We only need to look at Gonzales, Meirs, Rumsfeld, and Cheney to see our President's feet of clay extend six inches above his hairline.
Who was it who said that vice is often virtue in isolation, taken to an extreme? Sounds like Chesterton, who if he said it, surely did so far more eloquently. Still, it's a point. Loyalty is normally virtuous, but when adhered to as an end in itself, rather than as a means to the Good, it can become vice. In the president's case, a self-destructive one.
Rod Dreher, the Andrew Sullivan who likes girls. Calm you pretty little head down and finish shopping at Wild Oats for those overpriced organic corn nibblets.
I've read your stuff since you were pro-Bush and even back then I thought you were overly excitable. You lack historical perspective. You reaction to both major and minor things is an overreaction that borders on a hissy fit. You really should adhere to the rule of writing something and then letting it rest for a day before you post it.
Bush's loyalty has a strong whiff of vanity about it. If he lets people like El Bufon go, he'll be admitting that his critics were right. For him, that's the worst thing that can possibly happen. Better that the country should be effectively without an AG for the balance of his term. If you've ever wondered what Churchill would have been like with an IQ in double digits, look no farther than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The guy has all of Churchill's obstinacy without his frontal lobes. And, of course, Gonzales himself isn't loyal to Bush at all. If he were, he would have left of his own accord and relieved his chief of an albatross.
Dry Drunk Bush conquered booze, so he thinks he can do just about anything if he puts his mind to it. Clinton's self-pity pscyhe was just an opening act for this current idiocy.
Bush's epitaph- "GREAT JOB, BROWNIE!"
"Who was it who said that vice is often virtue in isolation, taken to an extreme? Sounds like Chesterton, who if he said it, surely did so far more eloquently. Still, it's a point. Loyalty is normally virtuous, but when adhered to as an end in itself, rather than as a means to the Good, it can become vice. In the president's case, a self-destructive one." I have to kind of agree with this point. Obviously, hiring and keeping people who are bad at their jobs, but loyal to you, is a bad governmental strategy; but if nothing else, I kind of have to admire the fact that the president will show loyalty back, and not just expect it from others. Not that I'm justifying anything, I'm just saying. God bless.
Excessive focus on personal loyalty was a fault of Bush '41. But the younger Bush has taken it to a ridiculous extreme. Whether or not it's fair to call GWB "another Jimmy Carter," politically that's exactly what he's become. As with Carter, there's now a large majority of the public that won't listen to him and won't respect him no matter what happens from here on out.
And as long as the Republican Party is saddled with this President and this fiasco of a war, it's going to lose.
Well on thing is for sure. Every administration from here on forward will clear the decks of all positions that 'serve at the request of the president'.
My initial response is- Jimmy Carter? Oh Nooooooo.... Ha Ha. Seriously, I do see the point (isolation, lack of influence, etc.) The political point is there. On many other areas, there is a marked contrast. Such as, I don't know, the economy, foreign policy, energy policy, military issues....
KIm- Bush has often made the point that he stopped drinking by embracing Christianity. Now that's a very good thing. Bush strongly believes he did it through his own sheer will, without help of anyone else(spare God)-no 12 stepping, no psychology, no therapy of any kind. Problem becomes that he really believes he can do anything he puts his mind to, and that he knows better than anyone else. But at his core he has never really dealt with the reasons why he was an alcoholic. It wasn't so apparent during 2000 or 2004(or may be the opponents were do awful, waht difference would it have made?), but some of his speeches now reek of "I'm the President! I KNOW better than any of you!" arrogance. On immigration, his spiel about "Iraqis yearning the breath free!", the Miers apppintment, his holding fast to hacks like Brown and Gonzalez. Bush doesn't deal with adversity, he just ignores it and keeps going. It's clear anyone bringing in a divergent or contrary opinion to Bush is either ignored or gone.
"Whether or not it's fair to call GWB "another Jimmy Carter," politically that's exactly what he's become." I think that comparing W with Jimmy Carter is grossly unfair to Carter. President Carter was not an effective politician but at least he had brain waves.
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