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Sunday April 29, 2007

Former CIA bin Laden unit chief Michael Scheuer rips ex-CIA director George Tenet over his new self-exculpatory book. Brutal....
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Elizabeth
April 30, 2007 7:36 AM
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Rod, I'm sorry for my first comment here to be a critical one, but the phrase you use here is an obscenity with just one of the obscene words removed; the obscene concept remains. Could you reconsider your phrasing?

SteveM
April 30, 2007 12:50 PM
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I read this yesterday in the Post. I think the players in this administration are essentially feckless, including Tenet. However Scheuer presents himself as a little too wise with hindsight. ( If only the entire planet had listened to brilliant and incisive me! ) He s obviously angling himself for his 15 minutes of fame on TV talk shows as a counter and critic to Tenet s book when it s released. And now with us to discuss the Tenet book And then a continuing fat and happy role waxing portentous as a talking head on cable.

Derek Copold
April 30, 2007 4:17 PM
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Though Scheuer made some dubious deductions about Iraq and Al Qaeda in his first book, he was, in fact, ahead of the curve on Iraq. He was warning that an invasion would be a disaster before it took place. If anyone has a right to crow, it's him.

mar lup
April 30, 2007 4:34 PM
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Elizabeth, why don't you go elsewhere instead of attempting to affect what people are allowed to write and read?

Kevin
April 30, 2007 4:35 PM
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Scheuer accuses Tenet of moral cowardice for waiting until he left government to raise these issues. So did Scheuer, who not only waited until he left, but until his pension had vested. He's the pot calling the kettle black. SteveM nails his motivations, which were evident from his book and appearances on "60 Minutes." With due respect to Elizabeth's sensibilities, this is a case of an old one ripping a new one.

Simon
April 30, 2007 5:17 PM
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Kevin, All post-mortems on Iraq are going to be self-serving, but Tenet's was a particularly egregious example of the genre.
It is totally unfair to equate Scheuer's pre-war responsibilities with those of Tenet (his boss). Scheuer's job was to raise issues with Tenet; he did not have access to the White House. It was Tenet's job to raise those issues with the White House, Pentagon, and the rest of the intelligence community.

Simon
April 30, 2007 5:18 PM
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Money quote from Scheuer: But whatever his book says, [Tenet] was not much of a CIA chief. Still, he may have been the ideal CIA leader for Clinton and Bush -- denigrating good intelligence to sate the former's cowardly pacifism and accepting bad intelligence to please the latter's Wilsonian militarism. A-MEN!

HASH(0x9189144)
April 30, 2007 5:34 PM
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That's only a "money quote" (yet another veiled obscenity) if Clinton's pacifism was in any way related to cowardice. It takes great bravery to be a pacifist. Just ask Jesus.

Kevin
April 30, 2007 5:44 PM
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Simon, No, it's not "totally unfair," and I didn't equate their job responsibilities, which are irrelevfant to the issue of moral cowardice. Scheuer accuses others of moral cowardice for not raising objections. Regardless of Scheurer's job description, he could have fallen on his sword and gone public with his accusations much earlier than he did, when to do so might have have cost him his job. That would have displayed "moral courage." I'm not defending Tenet. I'm simply not letting Scheurer off the hook.

Elizabeth
April 30, 2007 5:45 PM
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Mar lup, Because Rod shares my concerns about public standards of decency and thus I assumed it was an oversight on his part. I would not have made such a request on most blogs, as most modern people reject these standards. Rod wrote about his increasing sensitivity to the coarseness of modern culture recently, here: http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/crunchycon/2006/10/match-point.html It's entirely up to Rod whether he wants to go on using this phrase, but having been through a similar process of sensitization to coarseness as he has, I know it doesn't happen all at once. I thought this might be an old habit he hadn't given any thought to. I am merely making a polite request that Rod - and you - are free to ignore. I would *never* attempt to prevent people from being *allowed* to read and write obscenities on their own blogs. The specific phrase I am objecting to is "ripped him a new one," which is clearly derived from "ripped him a new a******." The original is not only obscene, it's very violent, and removing the word "a******" doesn't really change the meaning.

stephen
April 30, 2007 7:23 PM
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One of the few times getting rid of an a****** doesn't really help make a place less obscene.

Derek Copold
April 30, 2007 7:24 PM
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Scheuer accuses others of moral cowardice for not raising objections. Regardless of Scheurer's job description, he could have fallen on his sword and gone public with his accusations much earlier than he did... Scheuer did raise a public objection before the war began. He did it on an ABC news show dedicated to his book. Yes, he had to do so under anonymity, but that's because he was ordered to do so by the government, who wanted to keep his name secret for some reason. My understanding is that this would have applied even if he'd quit.

forestwalker
April 30, 2007 7:28 PM
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Clinton a pacifist? Words have meanings, folks.

Derek Copold
April 30, 2007 7:34 PM
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forestwalker has a good point. Scheuer should have been a bit more careful with his labels.

Kevin
April 30, 2007 7:58 PM
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Derek, His book was not published until June 2004. The 3-part test for current employees of the CIA, pursuant to which the anonymity condition was imposed (highly unusual, said CIA sources at the time) would not have applied to him if he quit, which he did in 2004. Scheurer "came out" anonymously, then publicly, only after his pension had vested. That's not an example of "moral courage." He risked nothing, and could have come out much earlier, anonymously or publicly, before he had his 20+ years of service in. There are many reasons to despise George Tenet, but Michael Scheurer's opinion shouldn't be one of them.

Kit Stolz
April 30, 2007 8:00 PM
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Scheuer makes a point that deserves repeating: Tenet (and Colin Powell) could have prevented the Bush administration from misleading us into a disastrous war in Iraq if they had had the courage to resign rather than allowing themselves (and the public) to be manipulated by misinformation. It's much like what happened in Nixon's administration, when Nixon attempted to eliminate special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who was demanding the truth, and more than one principled Republican resigned rather go along with this wrong action.

Chris J.
April 30, 2007 8:53 PM
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After reading Scheuer's piece and an excerpt from Tenet's book... I gotta take Tenet's side. Yeah, he deserves some of the blame, but Scheuer's argument is essentially "he didn't protest loud enough" and "he didn't quit to make a point." I think it's naive to make any government position subject to a job requirement of mandatory resignation when things aren't going the way you want them to. But that's what Scheuer is implying Tenet should have done. It's also silly to think that the resignation of one department head would have changed the policy and decision making processes that led us into the Iraq quagmire. Tenet 1, Scheuer 0.

Pauli
April 30, 2007 8:57 PM
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yeah.

simon
April 30, 2007 9:42 PM
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chris J.,
Scheuer is pointing out that Tenet cannot have his cake and eat it, too. Tenet has previously testified under oath that the Administration gave a full and fair hearing to the CIA's intelligence analysis. But now he's written a CYA book suggesting that he tried to warn the Administration about the likely result of invading Iraq, but that he was ignored. Bunk.

Derek Copold
May 1, 2007 12:03 AM
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His book was not published until June 2004. His first book came out in 2002. The 3-part test for current employees of the CIA, pursuant to which the anonymity condition was imposed (highly unusual, said CIA sources at the time) would not have applied to him if he quit, which he did in 2004. Okay, but exactly what would've changed had he resigned? Even under his own name, I doubt it would have had any impact. So why throw away his pension? As it is, he was taking a big risk publicly criticizing the administration, who could have jimmied up a reason to fire him, which they eventually did. Now let's compare him to Tenet, who surely would have been taken care of had he resigned. His speaking fees alone would have kept him in clover. Yet Tenet didn't resign. Not only that, he stuck with the President for two more years, and then accepted a Medal of Freedom for his work. The worst you can say about Scheuer is that he was afraid of losing his pension, no small thing. But Tenet, Tenet sold his soul for a trinket.

forestwalker
May 1, 2007 2:20 AM
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"But Tenet, Tenet sold his soul for a trinket." Derek Copold Is there really reason to choose to believe the worst of the man's motives (other than it makes it easier to dismiss something we don't want to hear)? The only thing I can say with certainty is that he's guilty of the same sin as a lot of us are: he gave the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt and thought it important not to undermine the President "in a time of war" (or prior to an election).

Kevin
May 1, 2007 3:36 AM
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Derek, the book in question was Imperial Hubris. That was the book that raised the issue concerning Iraq, and you simply made a mistake about it being published before the war. As to Scheuer being fired, Scheuer publicly stated on November 12, 2004 when he announced his resignation: "My decision is entirely my own. I have been in no way forced to this decision by the CIA. ... I have concluded that there has not been adequate national debate over the nature of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and the forces he leads and inspires, and the nature and dimensions of intelligence reform needed to address that threat. It is my intention to articulate a series of views in the hope of producing a more substantive debate than what has heretofore occurred." Therefore, your statement that the administration "jimmied up" a reason to fire him contradicts Scheurer's. You doubt that his resignation would have had any impact. I disagree. Of course, we'll never know because he didn't.

Derek Copold
May 1, 2007 3:57 PM
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Kevin, The first book he published was "Through our Enemies Eyes," and while he was marketing it, he did speak about the impending invasion of Iraq in extremely negative tones. Knowing his name would not have made a difference one way or the other. Yes, officially he resigned, and I stand corrected, but it should be noted that he did so when Porter Goss was coming in and it was made clear that his work environment would be less than friendly, to put it mildly. If you read further into the first story you popped up on your Google search you'll read: "The CIA was considering disciplinary action against Scheuer because it said he violated the agency's regulations on contacts with the media, a U.S. intelligence official said earlier this week." http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/09/cia.critic/index.html It doesn't take a lot of reading between the lines to see what was going on.

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