First Lady Laura Bush, on the Today show this morning, was asked about the war and its effect. She answered: “Believe me, no one suffers more than their president and I do when we watch this.”Really? No one? No one...
I'm sure the first lady meant well. What she said was literally wrong, but her intent was to express the anguish that she and the president feel. I have no idea how much anguish they feel, so I am not going to judge. One thing though. Mrs. Bush, like her husband, is no wordsmith and that was a foolish thing to say (even if it was well intentioned).
cs
April 26, 2007 12:26 AM
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It was a foolish thing for her to say. It is a bit ironic to post a criticism of her poor choice of words to express the fact that they are personally affected by military casualties under the heading "sensitivity," however. Your anti-Bush vitriol is showing- again. Especially with posting the same issue twice.
Gretchen
April 26, 2007 12:31 AM
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I have to say, sometimes she seems like a cardboard figure, and her words were certainly lacking taste.
Bugg
April 26, 2007 12:57 AM
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I'm down on the Bush family, and no longer see the oint of this war. But parsing her poor choice of words is uncalled for, something I would not expect to find here.
Eileen R
April 26, 2007 12:58 AM
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Your anti-Bush vitriol is showing- again. Especially with posting the same issue twice. I'd think that was an accident.
Joey
April 26, 2007 1:08 AM
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With all due respect, Rod, I think you either misunderstood what she meant, or are making a mountain of a molehill. She said she and President Bush suffer as much as anybody WATCHING this---not someone who experiences it, either as a soldier or a loved one of a soldier. And it may well be true---even if Bush does still believe that Iraq is winnable or moral, knowing he is causing all these problems for people must give him grief. I don't think she meant it the way you seem to be reading it. God bless.
Rod Dreher
April 26, 2007 1:08 AM
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Yeah it was a mistake. Sorry about that. Bnet indicated it hadn't posted the first time.
Peter
April 26, 2007 1:20 AM
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One of the reasons I come to this site is that while it is comfortable for me to base my opinion of American politics on left wing sites (like say crooksandliars) I'd prefer not to get a lobsided view. Unfortunately most right wing bloggers I have read end up coming across as nuts. This one didn't so I stuck around. Please Rod don't end up posting cheap shorts based on deliberate misinterpretation , there is plenty of stuff to be angry about without making something out of nothing.
Kit Stolz
April 26, 2007 2:01 AM
www.achangeinthewind.com
Laura Bush is as much of a partisan as her husband. Maybe this shouldn't come as a surprise, but neither should she be let off the hook for misleading the public while speaking from the White House. I for one will never forget her campaigning in support of corrupt anti-environmentalist Richard Pombo, and claiming that he would "protect local ecosystems." A bigger lie has never come out of the Bush White House. http://www.sacunion.com/pages/california/articles/8646/
Rawlins Gilliland
April 26, 2007 4:21 AM
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Look. Every time someone says (again) on this blog something in reference to Rod's 'anti-Bush bias', I want to say: Rod voted for Bush twice. And believed in him, supported him, defended him .until systematically he became disillusioned by the incompetence. Horrified by the spending, angered by the earmark 800% increase during the 6 years when all 3 branches were GOP, disgusted by Harriet Miers nomination, broken by the Katrina 'Brownie' debacle, and what else? Oh yes, the war in Iraq. Almost forgot. Need I continue? In other words, if any thing about Rod is 'anti-Bush', the President and those he trusted are responsible. His disaffection was hard-earned and drip-by-drip painful.
dub
April 26, 2007 5:13 AM
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I think that many would be well-served to save their "anti-Bush" bias claims against Rod for times when they are really pertinent. It's not like anyone really had to parse Ms. Bush's words today to see that it was way off the mark. If she misspoke, so be it -- but it's hardly anti-Bush bias to point out that she's not even close in making such a broad statement about suffering when she clearly is not even near the top of the list in regards to this war.
Stacy
April 26, 2007 8:30 AM
http://theloveofgodismadness.blogspot.com
I don't know about anti-Bush-isms, or anything of that nature, but I, too was struck by your choice to title the piece "Sensitivity." Were you referring to her sensitivity or yours?
Rod Dreher
April 26, 2007 1:59 PM
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It was sarcasm.
Peter
April 26, 2007 2:08 PM
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Maybe this is a better example of "sensitivity". "I don't think you're ever going to get rid of all the car bombs," Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said this week. "Iraq is going to have to learn as did, say, Northern Ireland, to live with some degree of sensational attacks."
wildwest
April 26, 2007 2:40 PM
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How come the slightest criticism of the President and every bit of humor and sarcasm directed his way has to be called "anti-Bush vitriol"?
armchair pessimist
April 26, 2007 3:21 PM
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And you would have wanted her to say...what? Maybe sing Where Have All the Flowers Gone?
Pauli
April 26, 2007 3:25 PM
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Rod never shows insensitivity.
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April 26, 2007 5:30 PM
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Please stop your outrageous disrespect for President Bush. Disagreement is fine. Childish and snide insults are unbecoming.
Larry
April 26, 2007 6:00 PM
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Rod, that's not how Mrs. Bush meant her comment. You must know that. She and her husband are decent human beings.
Osvaldo Mandias
April 26, 2007 6:16 PM
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Cheap, Mr. Dreher. You've shown more compassion and sensitivity to Cho than you have to Laura Bush.
David J. White
April 26, 2007 6:19 PM
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Cho was arguably suffering from serious mental illness. What's Laura Bush's excuse? (Of course, one could argue that anyone who would marry George Bush *must* be suffering ... No, that really is a cheap shot. ;-) )
Robert
April 26, 2007 6:39 PM
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I wonder if Ms. Clinton is suffering as much as the families seeing she voted to send them over there in the first place....and we all know that no one has more compassion than the Clinton's.
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April 26, 2007 6:46 PM
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Now seriously, folks, what the heck was she supposed to say when asked the question?? "Ah, we don't watch that war crap -- too depressing." Most pols (and their spouses) never say anything of substance to begin with. We would have heard this same response from Martha Washington, had they had the media today back in Martha's day. So, yeah, I think it's a bit out of proportion, but YOMV, and that's fine too.
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April 26, 2007 7:25 PM
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Laura Bush is OK. I don't agree with her taste in men. She could have done better. I get what she was trying to say. I believe that the situation in Iraq causes her distress. Who knows? It might bother her husband now and then. I think that they both believe that this war was justified. I would imagine that the casualties and injuries sustained by our servicemen/women in Iraq are easier to swallow if you think that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. I think that you all are being a little hard on Rod. He's still rather new in coming to the realization that this administration is incompetent. Afterall, as another poster pointed out, he voted for the guy. Many of us were this angry four years ago. It's justified anger, but eventually, Rod will have to let it go.
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April 26, 2007 8:01 PM
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I'd cut her some slack. If there were a lot of people saying my spouse is a bloodthirsty warmonger, I'd probably overcompensate too when I got a question like this. She was trying to say the right thing but did it inartfully.
Rod Dreher
April 26, 2007 8:07 PM
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And you would have wanted her to say...what? Maybe sing Where Have All the Flowers Gone? How about simply, "The president is suffering along with the troops and their families. It's a terrible burden he bears as commander in chief." It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire.
cs
April 26, 2007 8:38 PM
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Rod, I wondered if the double posting was an accident. The different title, and the fact one had a picture and the other didn't, led me to believe they were posted separately and intentionally. As you indicated it was a mistake, I apologize for any overreaction. As to readers noting that Rod voted for Bush, the current pattern on this blog is clearly anti-Bush, and does appear vitriolic at times.
Larry
April 26, 2007 8:51 PM
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Rod: "It's the 'nobody suffers more than' that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire." Me: At worst, Mrs. Bush made an inartful choice of words in a spontaneous interview. Why assume she meant these words at their face value, or said them deliberately and with forethought? What satisfaction is gained from thinking of her as a bad, insensitive person?
Rod Dreher
April 26, 2007 9:48 PM
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No satisfaction, Larry. But she said what she said. I can't read her heart, and neither can you. Maybe she didn't mean it like it sounded, but maybe she did. But she said what she said. On what grounds do you assume that she didn't mean it, and doesn't in fact think that she and her husband are suffering as much as anybody else in this war?
wildwest
April 26, 2007 9:49 PM
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"It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire." Stands to reason. "What satisfaction is gained from thinking of her as a bad, insensitive person?" Not a bad, insensitive person. Just a bad, insensitive comment.
Rod Dreher
April 26, 2007 10:21 PM
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I have no reason to think Laura Bush is a bad person. I do suspect that she and her husband are both out of touch with the reality of this war and what it's doing to soldiers and their families. This comment of hers adds to my suspicion. My guess is that it was a gaffe in the Kinsleyan sense: when a prominent person inadvertently tells the truth.
Larry
April 26, 2007 10:33 PM
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"On what grounds do you assume that she didn't mean it, and doesn't in fact think that she and her husband are suffering as much as anybody else in this war?" [I don't know how to do italics on these comment boxes.] From her track record, Rod. From her body of work, if you will. She doesn't have a history of making thoughtless, insensitive comments. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt because of her performance in public life over at least the last 7 years. She seems to be a good and decent person. And a reasonable one. The reasonable person would never say that "We are suffering more than those who were actually wounded." That would be a ridiculous statement to make, and that cannot have been her meaning.
Robert
April 26, 2007 11:11 PM
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It's a terrible burden he bears as commander in chief." It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire. If they did, do you honestly believe that the media would cut them any slack? Would you? The way liberals preach about equality is a joke. I live in Austin, TX and this is where the Bush twins got busted drinking under age. I have been to that restaurant, it is in the heart of liberal mecca, and some one got the bright idea to call the cops because the law was being broken. This is in a city who's unofficial motto is "Keep Austin Weird" and keeping the law is the last things on the minds of people here. I swear to you that had Chelsea Clinton been in the same restaurant sitting in a corner booth shooting heroin no one would have said a word. So, I must disagree with you Rod, even if Bush had a child on the frontline in Iraq the media wouldn't cut the man any slack.
watsy
April 26, 2007 11:59 PM
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I had no idea that Austin, Texas was a haven for Clinton fans. If Bush had a child in the army or marines, we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Rod Dreher
April 27, 2007 12:27 AM
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Austin -- a/k/a The People's Republic of Austin -- is what it is. Best place to eat and drink beer and have a good time in Texas. Despite the politics.
cs
April 27, 2007 12:28 AM
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"If Bush had a child in the army or marines, we wouldn't be in Iraq." You might be right. Then again, you might be wrong. The bottom line is, neither one of us really knows. You have made an assertion with zero support for it.
David J. White
April 27, 2007 12:59 AM
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Look at the 2004 electoral map of Texas. Travis County (where Austin is) is the blue island in the red sea. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/ (Look at the one that says "Election results by county."
Stacy
April 27, 2007 2:10 AM
http://theloveofgodismadness.blogspot.com
Yes, Rod, I understood that it was sarcasm, which again, points to the irony of it.
armchair pessimist
April 27, 2007 2:23 AM
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It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire. If this was a debating club, you'd win marks. But we're talking about the sucess and honor of our country in a long war. We don't need your carping.
Rod Dreher
April 27, 2007 4:34 AM
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Well, you don't have to read it, but honestly, is it the case that criticizing the First Lady is unpatriotic? How about the president? Really?
Robert
April 27, 2007 6:30 AM
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I had no idea that Austin, Texas was a haven for Clinton fans. They love the man here, I still see Clinton/Gore stickers on cars from time to time. You are right Rod, we do have great food and great beer! I really do like Austin once you get away from the nuttiness of 6th street and see past all the liberal activist groups swarming this city. Travis county is a blue county in a red sate, and the liberals here are so dang desperate to take the white house that if children were allowed to vote in the next election you would start seeing media targeting them by saying that Bush and the Republicans are responsible for the death of puppies and kittens.
Osvaldo Mandias
April 27, 2007 4:53 PM
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Dreher is a full-on sufferer from Bush Derangement Syndrome. Its evident when he takes posts that have nothing to do with Iraq or Bush and goes in that direction anyway. Its evident when he gets foaming at the mouth angry because of a stray comment by a politician's wife. The simple fact is that Dreher has shown far more empathy and charity towards that murderer Cho than he has to Laura Bush. Sickening.
tovart
April 28, 2007 12:32 AM
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There are many who have been affected by that syndrome of deranged Bush. Rod is not alone.
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I'm sure the first lady meant well. What she said was literally wrong, but her intent was to express the anguish that she and the president feel. I have no idea how much anguish they feel, so I am not going to judge. One thing though. Mrs. Bush, like her husband, is no wordsmith and that was a foolish thing to say (even if it was well intentioned).
It was a foolish thing for her to say. It is a bit ironic to post a criticism of her poor choice of words to express the fact that they are personally affected by military casualties under the heading "sensitivity," however. Your anti-Bush vitriol is showing- again. Especially with posting the same issue twice.
I have to say, sometimes she seems like a cardboard figure, and her words were certainly lacking taste.
I'm down on the Bush family, and no longer see the oint of this war. But parsing her poor choice of words is uncalled for, something I would not expect to find here.
Your anti-Bush vitriol is showing- again. Especially with posting the same issue twice. I'd think that was an accident.
With all due respect, Rod, I think you either misunderstood what she meant, or are making a mountain of a molehill. She said she and President Bush suffer as much as anybody WATCHING this---not someone who experiences it, either as a soldier or a loved one of a soldier. And it may well be true---even if Bush does still believe that Iraq is winnable or moral, knowing he is causing all these problems for people must give him grief. I don't think she meant it the way you seem to be reading it. God bless.
Yeah it was a mistake. Sorry about that. Bnet indicated it hadn't posted the first time.
One of the reasons I come to this site is that while it is comfortable for me to base my opinion of American politics on left wing sites (like say crooksandliars) I'd prefer not to get a lobsided view. Unfortunately most right wing bloggers I have read end up coming across as nuts. This one didn't so I stuck around. Please Rod don't end up posting cheap shorts based on deliberate misinterpretation , there is plenty of stuff to be angry about without making something out of nothing.
Laura Bush is as much of a partisan as her husband. Maybe this shouldn't come as a surprise, but neither should she be let off the hook for misleading the public while speaking from the White House. I for one will never forget her campaigning in support of corrupt anti-environmentalist Richard Pombo, and claiming that he would "protect local ecosystems." A bigger lie has never come out of the Bush White House.
http://www.sacunion.com/pages/california/articles/8646/
Look. Every time someone says (again) on this blog something in reference to Rod's 'anti-Bush bias', I want to say: Rod voted for Bush twice. And believed in him, supported him, defended him .until systematically he became disillusioned by the incompetence. Horrified by the spending, angered by the earmark 800% increase during the 6 years when all 3 branches were GOP, disgusted by Harriet Miers nomination, broken by the Katrina 'Brownie' debacle, and what else? Oh yes, the war in Iraq. Almost forgot. Need I continue? In other words, if any thing about Rod is 'anti-Bush', the President and those he trusted are responsible. His disaffection was hard-earned and drip-by-drip painful.
I think that many would be well-served to save their "anti-Bush" bias claims against Rod for times when they are really pertinent. It's not like anyone really had to parse Ms. Bush's words today to see that it was way off the mark. If she misspoke, so be it -- but it's hardly anti-Bush bias to point out that she's not even close in making such a broad statement about suffering when she clearly is not even near the top of the list in regards to this war.
I don't know about anti-Bush-isms, or anything of that nature, but I, too was struck by your choice to title the piece "Sensitivity."
Were you referring to her sensitivity or yours?
It was sarcasm.
Maybe this is a better example of "sensitivity". "I don't think you're ever going to get rid of all the car bombs," Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said this week. "Iraq is going to have to learn as did, say, Northern Ireland, to live with some degree of sensational attacks."
How come the slightest criticism of the President and every bit of humor and sarcasm directed his way has to be called "anti-Bush vitriol"?
And you would have wanted her to say...what? Maybe sing Where Have All the Flowers Gone?
Rod never shows insensitivity.
Please stop your outrageous disrespect for President Bush. Disagreement is fine. Childish and snide insults are unbecoming.
Rod, that's not how Mrs. Bush meant her comment. You must know that.
She and her husband are decent human beings.
Cheap, Mr. Dreher. You've shown more compassion and sensitivity to Cho than you have to Laura Bush.
Cho was arguably suffering from serious mental illness. What's Laura Bush's excuse? (Of course, one could argue that anyone who would marry George Bush *must* be suffering ... No, that really is a cheap shot. ;-) )
I wonder if Ms. Clinton is suffering as much as the families seeing she voted to send them over there in the first place....and we all know that no one has more compassion than the Clinton's.
Now seriously, folks, what the heck was she supposed to say when asked the question?? "Ah, we don't watch that war crap -- too depressing."
Most pols (and their spouses) never say anything of substance to begin with. We would have heard this same response from Martha Washington, had they had the media today back in Martha's day. So, yeah, I think it's a bit out of proportion, but YOMV, and that's fine too.
Laura Bush is OK. I don't agree with her taste in men. She could have done better.
I get what she was trying to say. I believe that the situation in Iraq causes her distress. Who knows? It might bother her husband now and then. I think that they both believe that this war was justified. I would imagine that the casualties and injuries sustained by our servicemen/women in Iraq are easier to swallow if you think that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. I think that you all are being a little hard on Rod. He's still rather new in coming to the realization that this administration is incompetent. Afterall, as another poster pointed out, he voted for the guy. Many of us were this angry four years ago. It's justified anger, but eventually, Rod will have to let it go.
I'd cut her some slack. If there were a lot of people saying my spouse is a bloodthirsty warmonger, I'd probably overcompensate too when I got a question like this. She was trying to say the right thing but did it inartfully.
And you would have wanted her to say...what? Maybe sing Where Have All the Flowers Gone? How about simply, "The president is suffering along with the troops and their families. It's a terrible burden he bears as commander in chief." It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire.
Rod, I wondered if the double posting was an accident. The different title, and the fact one had a picture and the other didn't, led me to believe they were posted separately and intentionally. As you indicated it was a mistake, I apologize for any overreaction. As to readers noting that Rod voted for Bush, the current pattern on this blog is clearly anti-Bush, and does appear vitriolic at times.
Rod: "It's the 'nobody suffers more than' that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire." Me: At worst, Mrs. Bush made an inartful choice of words in a spontaneous interview. Why assume she meant these words at their face value, or said them deliberately and with forethought? What satisfaction is gained from thinking of her as a bad, insensitive person?
No satisfaction, Larry. But she said what she said. I can't read her heart, and neither can you. Maybe she didn't mean it like it sounded, but maybe she did. But she said what she said. On what grounds do you assume that she didn't mean it, and doesn't in fact think that she and her husband are suffering as much as anybody else in this war?
"It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire." Stands to reason. "What satisfaction is gained from thinking of her as a bad, insensitive person?" Not a bad, insensitive person. Just a bad, insensitive comment.
I have no reason to think Laura Bush is a bad person. I do suspect that she and her husband are both out of touch with the reality of this war and what it's doing to soldiers and their families. This comment of hers adds to my suspicion. My guess is that it was a gaffe in the Kinsleyan sense: when a prominent person inadvertently tells the truth.
"On what grounds do you assume that she didn't mean it, and doesn't in fact think that she and her husband are suffering as much as anybody else in this war?" [I don't know how to do italics on these comment boxes.] From her track record, Rod. From her body of work, if you will. She doesn't have a history of making thoughtless, insensitive comments. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt because of her performance in public life over at least the last 7 years. She seems to be a good and decent person. And a reasonable one. The reasonable person would never say that "We are suffering more than those who were actually wounded." That would be a ridiculous statement to make, and that cannot have been her meaning.
It's a terrible burden he bears as commander in chief." It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire. If they did, do you honestly believe that the media would cut them any slack? Would you? The way liberals preach about equality is a joke. I live in Austin, TX and this is where the Bush twins got busted drinking under age. I have been to that restaurant, it is in the heart of liberal mecca, and some one got the bright idea to call the cops because the law was being broken. This is in a city who's unofficial motto is "Keep Austin Weird" and keeping the law is the last things on the minds of people here. I swear to you that had Chelsea Clinton been in the same restaurant sitting in a corner booth shooting heroin no one would have said a word. So, I must disagree with you Rod, even if Bush had a child on the frontline in Iraq the media wouldn't cut the man any slack.
I had no idea that Austin, Texas was a haven for Clinton fans.
If Bush had a child in the army or marines, we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Austin -- a/k/a The People's Republic of Austin -- is what it is. Best place to eat and drink beer and have a good time in Texas. Despite the politics.
"If Bush had a child in the army or marines, we wouldn't be in Iraq." You might be right. Then again, you might be wrong. The bottom line is, neither one of us really knows. You have made an assertion with zero support for it.
Look at the 2004 electoral map of Texas. Travis County (where Austin is) is the blue island in the red sea. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/ (Look at the one that says "Election results by county."
Yes, Rod, I understood that it was sarcasm, which again, points to the irony of it.
It's the "nobody suffers more than" that galls, especially because they don't have family members in the field under fire. If this was a debating club, you'd win marks. But we're talking about the sucess and honor of our country in a long war. We don't need your carping.
Well, you don't have to read it, but honestly, is it the case that criticizing the First Lady is unpatriotic? How about the president? Really?
I had no idea that Austin, Texas was a haven for Clinton fans. They love the man here, I still see Clinton/Gore stickers on cars from time to time. You are right Rod, we do have great food and great beer! I really do like Austin once you get away from the nuttiness of 6th street and see past all the liberal activist groups swarming this city. Travis county is a blue county in a red sate, and the liberals here are so dang desperate to take the white house that if children were allowed to vote in the next election you would start seeing media targeting them by saying that Bush and the Republicans are responsible for the death of puppies and kittens.
Dreher is a full-on sufferer from Bush Derangement Syndrome. Its evident when he takes posts that have nothing to do with Iraq or Bush and goes in that direction anyway. Its evident when he gets foaming at the mouth angry because of a stray comment by a politician's wife. The simple fact is that Dreher has shown far more empathy and charity towards that murderer Cho than he has to Laura Bush. Sickening.
There are many who have been affected by that syndrome of deranged Bush. Rod is not alone.
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